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Is there any chance that Amazon will begin selling (more) textbooks for e-ink kindles?


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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 7:14:03 AM PDT
*sigh*

I responded to YOUR Post saying, "Amazon didn't notify US that the DX was suddenly not text-to-speech friendly."

YOU said that BEFORE I said anything about text-to-speech. YOU were the first one to bring it up.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 5:05:42 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 27, 2012 5:11:14 AM PDT
dawnsong says:
There were actual studies done on effectiveness of DX for university textbooks. The results were not very positive and probably led to the demise of the DX (though it's not quite dead yet) and cooled Amazon's promotion of textbooks on eInk devices...

http://www.dailytech.com/First+LongTerm+EReader+Study+Compares+Textbooks+with+Kindle+DX/article21529.htm

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/64/38E35/index.xml?section=topstories

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:29:50 AM PDT
That doesn't change the fact that asortafairytale replied to your complaint about tts. She didn't bring it up - you did. I'm sorry the DX isn't working out for you...perhaps you can recoup some of your investment by selling it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:25:48 AM PDT
Peridot says:
Cassie Anne, read my edit.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:22:39 AM PDT
Did you read the post *right above* that one? Y'know, the post you ~wrote?~ Asortafairytale replied to you.

"Amazon didn't notify US that the DX was suddenly not text-to-speech friendly. Had they done so I would have send the damned thing back and looked for something else. Still, every semester we looked for his books and complained to the publisher as well as the college bookstore that none of them were available on the Kindle platform. "

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:18:23 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 27, 2012 4:25:07 AM PDT
Peridot says:
asoartfairytale: 'Since when is the DX not text-to-speech friendly? It has the feature.

Are you aware that it is up to the publishers whether or not a book has text-to-speech and that Amazon has no control over it? '

That post was addressed to *me,* Asortofafairytale, according to the board. Are you now retracting it? Your words, not mine. I must admit, I was angered by them, thus my comment regarding the digestive emissions of rats.

Whatever. I made a bad purchase. Amazon's marketers got overexcited and I certainly paid the cost, expensive though it was. Everyone makes mistakes and smart people learn from them. It's too bad it's taken more than 2 years for me to get an answer about this problem. I wish that Amazon had been more forthcoming. This isn't the first time I've asked about the textbooks. It's the first time I've received a straight answer. Too bad it came with all the baggage of the other customers.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 8:01:49 PM PDT
No I didn't. I never once mentioned text-to-speech. You brought that up on your own.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 6:53:06 PM PDT
Peridot says:
You asked ME about it. That wasn't the issue that concerned me; I was trying to make a point. The point being that there hasn't been a single textbook for any of my son's classes in the Kindle format.

Well, at least I know the reason now. Thanks for the information. The text-to-speech problem was the issue.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 6:27:21 PM PDT
Bufo's right--the universities had to stop promoting use of the DX or any activity that could have been considered promoting the DX, such as helping to develop DX specific textbooks, for fear of lawsuits.
I doubt if Ramona cares.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 6:11:12 PM PDT
"Amazon didn't notify US that the DX was suddenly not text-to-speech friendly."

That's from your post. If you don't give a rat f@art about TTS, why complain about it in the first place?

And it *DOES* work for the purpose Amazon intended. It *DOES* work for the textbooks that are available for purchase. Like I said earlier, Amazon never promised all textbooks would be available.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 6:05:01 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 6:05:35 PM PDT
>>>>I don't give a rat f@rt about text-to-speech.

Then why are you whinging that the DX isn't tts-friendly? Which it is, assuming the publisher has enabled tts.

I don't understand this is suddenly an issue for you. You bought the DX 2 years ago!

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 6:04:19 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 6:08:04 PM PDT
There was a survey and an investigation done a couple of years ago and it turns out that Kindles (and e-ink) are really good for immersive reading but that text books and books with diagrams and potentially links work better on tablets and platforms of that kind. This is probably why the larger format Kindles that were supposed to be a targeted at the text book market didn't go that way.

Maybe this will change when there is color e-ink but so far it looks like the Fire will be the platform for college text books.

At the time the research was done there was no Fire but the college students who had been given Kindles and other devices came down pretty squarely in favor of tablets and color and the capability of following links.

Publishers will not go that way unless there is a market and while I love my Kindle it is not fun to read technical books with detailed diagrams on.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 6:00:09 PM PDT
Peridot says:
Why are you asking me? I don't give a rat f@rt about text-to-speech. What I care about is I spent more than $500 buying the DX and a cover and a frigging extended warranty for something that evidently will never work for the purpose Amazon said it was intended.

And I've only discovered this NOW!. What a fool I've been, still thinking that some of his books would become available 'some day.'

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 5:59:20 PM PDT
>>>Your suggestion that I predict the future textbooks my son would require at the moment I made the purchase is ridiculous.

Excuse me? I said no such thing. You're the one who said you bought the DX because you thought you'd be able to get your son's college text books on it. I said you should have looked into which books were available when you bought the DX.

Here's what I wrote:

Honestly, you should have looked at what available at the time of purchase, and made your decision based on that, rather than "believ[ing] we'd be able to get all his textbooks in the new and green manner."

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 5:52:31 PM PDT
Since when is the DX not text-to-speech friendly? It has the feature.

Are you aware that it is up to the publishers whether or not a book has text-to-speech and that Amazon has no control over it?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 5:50:30 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 26, 2012 5:54:05 PM PDT
Peridot says:
Yes, had it been used, it would have cost less than $1 per day. It's over there on the shelf where it's been since it was purchased. Your suggestion that I predict the future textbooks my son would require at the moment I made the purchase is ridiculous. I tried to use it myself, but I have arthritis in my fingers so it was impossible for me to hold it.

I wish I could hold it. I do recall that I didn't have to turn the pages as rapidly as I do with my 3rd gen. As a speed reader it's difficult to keep up. Thanks for the explanation, Bufo Calvin. Too bad I already bought the DX by then.

Amazon didn't notify US that the DX was suddenly not text-to-speech friendly. Had they done so I would have send the damned thing back and looked for something else. Still, every semester we looked for his books and complained to the publisher as well as the college bookstore that none of them were available on the Kindle platform.

The more fool I, for believing Amazon's hype.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 4:12:33 PM PDT
Bufo Calvin says:
Unfortunately, getting textbooks on to the Kindle DX was complicated by something that I think would have been hard for Amazon to predict.

As noted, when Amazon announced the DX

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1285140&highlight=

on May 6, 2009, they did make a big deal about the possibilities of its use for textbooks. In the press release, they said:

"Leading textbook publishers Cengage Learning, Pearson, and Wiley, together representing more than 60 percent of the U.S. higher education textbook market, will begin offering textbooks through the Kindle Store beginning this summer."

Several colleges were involved in a pilot to use the Kindle DX in the classroom. If that had been widely-adopted, it's reasonable to assume that the establishment of that market would have resulted in many textbooks being created for that device.

Then, in the second week of January, 2010, we got news of settlements stemming from a concern that the Kindle DX (despite text-to-speech) was not as friendly for the print disabled as it was a student without that issue.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/January/10-crt-030.html

Part of the settlement with the US Department of Justice included:

"Under the agreements reached today, the universities generally will not purchase, recommend or promote use of the Kindle DX..."

That most likely chilled the market, which would have reduced the incentive for publishers to format books for the Kindle DX.

The number of textbooks in the USA Kindle store has just about quadrupled since I've been keeping track, and they did add the rental program, but my guess would be that Amazon wishes they could have been selling every textbook published everywhere all along. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 4:05:06 PM PDT
Yes, I certainly can be snarky. Snarkier than some on this forum, but less snarky than others.

Two years is a long time to hold a grudge, which is how this seems to me. The DX has cost you less than $1 per day, and is a terrific e-reader, even if there aren't many college books available for it.

Honestly, you should have looked at what available at the time of purchase, and made your decision based on that, rather than "believ[ing] we'd be able to get all his textbooks in the new and green manner."

Switching gears....I agree the DX gets heavy when you read on it for extended periods - I normally prop mine up on a pillow in my lap. There are also other items available...I hear good things about the Hog Wild Peeramid Bookrest. There are similar items out there too...

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:52:55 PM PDT
Also, believe it or not, not everyone here can remember everything Amazon said about every product. It's good for those people to go back and do their own research. It's not that she necessarily doubted you, she just wanted to verify the information.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:50:23 PM PDT
You wouldn't believe the sort of things people say here, so I do treat some comments sceptically

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:49:02 PM PDT
Well, that's your own fault then. Amazon most certainly NEVER said that all textbooks in existence would be available on the DX.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:47:14 PM PDT
Peridot says:
WHAT? You doubted me? Oh, I can't even say that with snark.

Yes, I believed we'd be able to get all his textbooks in the new and green manner. I bought that hook, line and sinker. So far, no go. If my son hadn't fallen ill, he would have graduated by now with none of his college books in Kindle format.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 3:44:06 PM PDT
Peridot says:
Pretty sure there were no tablets then.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:36:17 PM PDT
M. Campbell says:
"If they didn't they would have made all of their text books into ebooks." Actually not, since publishers are trying to slow adoption of ebooks as much as possible, trying to prop up sales of their print versions.

As far as textbooks go, a 7 or 10 inch tablet would probably be a better choice. I love my e-ink Kindles, but they don't do well with some non-text items, or pdf files that are not formatted for the smaller screen.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:24:55 PM PDT
I'm pretty sure there are more textbooks available now than there were when the DX was released.

The DX actually *IS* good for textbooks, so Amazon was right to market it in that fashion. Those textbooks that are available supposedly work very well (I don't have a DX, so I can't try it out).
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