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Initial post: Jul 20, 2012 5:42:54 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
Awhile back I post my "wining" relative to that bloody Archive. One of the forum member responded by saying "it really doesn't take up a lot of space, it's just a few lines of code. Just don't pay any attention to it." Good advice. I don't.

However, I do have one additional question relative to Archive. Let's say I accidentally blow one of my books out of the water. Now, if it's an Amazon book, of course I can go back and re-download it. But what if I obtain it from, let's say, Project Gutenberg, then what? If the book is in Archive, how does one get the ruddy thing out. It seems to me that one should be able to press on it the same as one does with new downloaded books and simply move it into a directory. With Archive, no soap. Maybe you folks have some thoughts on all this. I am probably missing something. If not, what is the use of have the thing on KT in the first place? It could be Amazons idea of a little joke.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 5:45:16 AM PDT
SeaLevel274 says:
You should keep backup copies of books you get from other sources, like on your computer, so you can just copy them back to your Kindle if they get deleted and you want them back on there.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 5:59:55 AM PDT
If it shows in the Archive list on the touch, it should be shown on http://www.amazon.com/myk and you can just get it from there back to your kindle.

Notice the different menu option when you remove an Amazon delivered item versus a directly loaded item. If you directly loaded it, and you do a long touch on the title you get the option "Delete This Document". That will remove the item without trace. An amazon processed item will instead have "Move to Archived Items" which will remove the document from the Kindle, but leave it in your archive on Amazon to download again later.

SeaLevel is partly right that it is often a good idea to keep backup copies. but I disagree on keeping all items. I don't feel a need to keep a backup copy of one of Shakespeare or Plato's works. I can just pull those from Gutenberg again if I need them. But anything less common, or hard to find, or that you have added notes and highlights, certainly those should be backed up.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:00:53 AM PDT
K.D. says:
Archive is not a directory. It is nothing but a listing of everything you have sitting on the amazon servers. Unless amazon ever allows you to store outside files on their server, you will never be able to have them in archive. Archive is not Amazon's idea of a little joke. It's amazon's idea to allow someone with a device that holds 3000 books be able to own and easily access in moments 20,000 books.

Posted on Jul 20, 2012 6:02:16 AM PDT
You are responsible for backing up any non-Amazon content yourself.
However, if I recall correctly, nowadays if you send this content to yourself using the @kindle mailaddress, it gets backed up in the cloud as well, as long as your cloud storage for non-Amazon doesn't exceed 5MB.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:30:27 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
Yes, being responsible for backing it up myself is perfectly logical. I use Calibre and then zip my library and store it on a back-up drive. Nevertheless, it just seems to me rather odd that they would have put such a thing in there that appears at first glance to be so useless.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:33:20 AM PDT
K.D. says:
How is it useless to allow you small device with storage for 1,000s of books have 60 second access to every book you have ever owned, even if that is 10,000s of books? You may not use it, but that doesn't make it useless. I use it so that I only have the few books I've reading at any time on my device, keeping it nice and speedy, but I can have any one of the 6,000 books I own within 60 seconds by clicking on it in the archive.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:34:47 AM PDT
? What are you referring to as useless ?
And it's only non-Amazon stuff that really needs backing up. I hope you're aware that your current calibre downloads will only ever work with your current kindle. Downloads are coded for each specific device, and so you can't use Kindle1's files on Kindle2

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:36:08 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
Let me first say that the "joke" thing was my poor attempt at a little tongue-in-cheek humour, maybe too little. In any event as I mentioned to Zombie I do back-up my library using Calibre. So, subsequently I really don't have a problem with it. Nevertheless, I can see the benefit of those who don't use Calibre or some other form of back-up.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:39:42 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 20, 2012 6:40:07 AM PDT
K.D. says:
As was pointed out already, Calibre is great if you have the same kindle forever. Get a warranty replacement or a upgrade, and you are out of luck trying to use your calibre books. The archive is across all devices on your account. Also, Archive I can access from anywhere with just my kindle and 3G. I don't have to pull out my computer and usb cord.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:42:35 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 20, 2012 6:43:02 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
Gosh, Zombie, it appears as though you're somewhat miffed at my use of the term "useless." That is just my personal opinion for which I believe I'm entitled. You, by no means have to agree with it. BTW, I am well aware of what downloads will work on which devices. I thought I mentioned I have a KT. I certainly don't claim to be the brightest guy in the world but I believe I have a wee bit of smarts to figure that out.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:44:31 AM PDT
K.D. says:
If you get a different KT (say you lose or break yours), your calibre backups are useless. You will understand the need for archives then.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:44:57 AM PDT
Honestly, I was just trying to get you to explain this sentence to me:

Nevertheless, it just seems to me rather odd that they would have put such a thing in there that appears at first glance to be so useless.

I have no idea what this 'such a thing' is that you're referring to, and was merely curious. I'm seriously exhausted, which can make me a bit short in my communication. Did not mean to offend.

Posted on Jul 20, 2012 6:48:08 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
I don't see archives as useless either - if I used calibre and backed up my books, I couldn't put those books on any of my other kindles (4 for two people)

and if I backed up the books from one kindle on a flash drive, then I also couldn't put them on another kindle

to me, the physical back up of my KK2i would be totally useless when, in the very near future (it's barely hanging on to life) it dies

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:49:32 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
Thanks Roy for your insightful comments. I'm paranoid. The reason is simple. Once, I was working on a huge research project at the University where I was a Professor of History. In any event, I spent months doing research and investigating primary sources for my work. Bottom line. I inadvertently blew it out. Ever since that I back everything up I don't care if I ever see it again. Old habit die hard.

Posted on Jul 20, 2012 6:50:47 AM PDT
He was talking about the archives? Those are anything but useless. I have no desire to ever start using Calibre, as Amazon does all my backing up for me...

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:57:37 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
Zombie,

Not a problem! My Welsh temper gets the better of me from time to time whether I'm exhausted or no. ;)

Since others have explained it to me the purpose of Archive I understand it a bit better now.

PS: I have never held a grudge against anyone. I will judge myself before I judge others.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 6:59:30 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
And, I certainly do do that. You may want to take a gander at another post I wrote on the same subject. Thanks for writing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 7:10:47 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
I will have to politely disagree with you on this one. At the beginning, Calibre would not be compatible with other Kindle devices. Recognizing this, the developers have spent a considerable amount of times doing upgrades. In fact, I just got a new one today. Having said that, one now has the ability to utilize Calibre on any Kindle, from the lowest model to Fire. In addition, it is now compatible with Nook, Sony, and others. It also has the ability to mass reformat the entire meta data in a library if the need arises not to mention the variety of plug-ins that are available to make Calibre as flexible as possible. I envision more and better upgrades in the offing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 7:15:26 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
ah, but if you bought the books from amazon, you'd likely have to break the DRM in order to download them to another kindle

while you could do that, it's expressly against amazon's ToS

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 7:53:29 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 20, 2012 7:55:17 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
That is something that I would never do. I know of blokes who do and my word for them is: thieves! Period.

I didn't intend to create a big "stink" out of this business but let me just add that it can very difficult to communicate on these bloody things since one cannot "hear" another voice inflection or "see" their facial expressions. Subsequently, much can be lost in communication. We can write with well intent but the person reading get's the wrong impression.

So, with that: byddwch yn dda! (Be well!)

Cymru am blyth! (Wales forever!)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 9:38:27 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
thank you

just think of my comments as gentle gibes or suggestions usually said with a smile on my face or occasionally when I've answered the 4th thread of the day on the exact same topic, a gentle sigh of exasperation

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 20, 2012 10:26:21 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 20, 2012 10:28:50 AM PDT
Gwaredd says:
You're welcome!

It's nice to know at least someone was reading my last post. You, maybe (other's as well), interested in knowing that I went back a "really played around with Archive." I can almost hear someone saying: "well, why dint ya do that in the first place ya knob" as you Yanks might say. My response would be because I simply didn't care to. I figured I'd leave the thing alone. Besides, I had better things to occupy my time than fiddle with Archive. So, after all this hullabaloo, and, much to my surprise, I finally figured out exactly how the blasted thing works. It will retrieve a book from the Archive and place in back into an area where it can then be added to a directory of one's choosing. Oh, and BTW, it will retrieve non Kindle books as well. The only thing I was missing was the fact that I didn't have Wireless turned on. Subsequently, I can put anything I wish into Archive, Kindle books or no, and go back and retrieve them later.

Sometimes I get to the point if it's worth the effort to even ask a question on this forum. I've learned my lesson. In the future if I have a problem with this little machine I will figure it out myself just like I've been doing with computers for the past 30+ years. As Steve Jobs once remarked: "don't ever have a computer that's too large to throw out the window." And, Kindle is essentially a small computer. Bye!
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