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Initial post: Jun 11, 2012 1:53:25 PM PDT
bevtooth says:
if i download a complete set of books from an author how do i get them to store in the order that they were released?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 1:54:39 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 11, 2012 1:55:29 PM PDT
You have to use a third party program (ie Calibre) to change the title of the book so you can sort alphabetically, etc.

Edit - I should say you are changing the metadata and then side loading the changed file back to your Kindle. May people use Calibre here.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 2:03:44 PM PDT
Zanzibar says:
You could also put add a note to the first book with the order listed to refer to. Or you could add a note to each book that says what the next one is. I usually just check a list and put the next book in my current read collection so I can start the next book without referring to a list right away.

Posted on Jun 11, 2012 2:48:47 PM PDT
SavageLove says:
If you want to have the books appear in a collection in a specific order, there is no way to do it on the Kindle itself. However, there is a program called Calibre you can use to edit the metadata like the title for instance, so that the books will stay in a specific order after using sort by title. I have found that using Calibre to edit the data will allow me to have the books of a series in order from the first to last book.

So, here's what you do: Download Calibre, it is an ebook organizer program and follow these steps to get the books from the Kindle to Calibre, edit the data and back onto the Kindle.

1. Connect the Kindle to your computer after downloading Calibre.

2. At the top of the Calibre, once the Kindle is connected, you will see a device button and a library button. Click the device button and that will show you the books on your Kindle at the moment.

3. Now you need to add those books to your Calibre library. The easiest way to do this is to click Device which is at the top to get to your Kindle. Then, press and hold the shift key and then press the down arrow until all of the books are highlighted, then drag the books to the library button and let go. This will transfer the books to your Calibre library. It will take a few moments or longer depending on how many books you have. Once the adding is done, press the library button to go back to the Calibre library and check over the books there to make sure all of your books are there.

4. Now, to edit the data, you have to do it one book at a time, I'm afraid. Also, you cannot use just numbers because in your Kindle a 10 will go right after a 1. You have to do this: A1. , A2. .... A9. and you cannot go past 9 since it will cause the number 10 to go underneath the 1. So you will have to go to the next letter, B, C, D... I have found that A1 and B1 will not appear next to each other like with 1 and 10. To edit the data, right click on a book and select edit metadata individually. Oh, and if you want it so that your collections are ordered in a specific way like your books will be, do this: A1.1 Collection Title, A1.2... A1.9, A2.1... A9.9. I have found that in this way, I can sort my homepage by Title and keep my collection in the way I want them with the books all following at the end. If you do this with your collections, you cannot use "A" as your starting organizer for the book titles otherwise the books will appear before the collections on the homescreen. You'll have to start with "B" for the book titles and just keep using "A" for your collections, like so: A1.1-A9.9, AA1.1-AA9.9...

5. To edit the title, just go in and add A1. or which ever number and letter before the title of the book with a period and a space, like so: A1. The Cat Who Could Read Backwards. When you do this, you have to hit the arrow right next to it so that both sides are highlighted green. If you also edit the series category, it will keep the book series together in Calibre too.

6. Once you have edited the books, click the book at the top, press and hold the shift key and then press the down arrow until all of the books are highlighted, then drag over to the Device button and let go. This will send all of your books to your Kindle at the same time and will take a while depending on how many books you have. There is a little spinning icon that shows this at the bottom right corner of Calibre.

7. Now, you will have two of the same book on your Kindle, the ones you edited and a duplicate that has not been changed. You have to delete all of the ones that were not changed; otherwise chaos will rain-or is it reign?-because there are two of the same book. Well, what you do is click on Device to get back to your Kindle. Click on the heading In Library. This will make it so that the books that are unchanged are at the top. These are the duplicate books of the ones you changed. Press and hold the shift key and then press the down arrow until all of the books are highlighted, and hit delete to get rid of them. This way, you will now only have the books with the metadata changes you made on the Kindle.

8. Once that is done, go into the computer folder on your computer, right click on the Kindle icon and eject the Kindle. This will eject the Kindle from your computer and allow you to work with it. If you just unplug it, well, that is not a good idea. Don't ask me how I know, I just do.

And that's it. Once they are on your Kindle, in their collections and organized by title, your books will be ordered exactly how you want them to be. I hope this will help you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2012 3:03:30 PM PDT
If you use Calibre, and would like to sort by AUTHOR and have series grouped and in ascending order, you must edit the Published date value. You want to pick widely spaced date ranges for different series by the same author, and give the earliest book the most recent date and work backwards.

Jim Butcher has two series: The Dresden Files and The Codex Alera
The Dresden Files will (arbitrarily) start with book 1 Published Dec 2010, book 2 Published Nov 2010, book 3 Published Oct 2010...
The Codex Alera will (arbitrarily) start with book 1 Published Dec 2000, book 2 Published Nov 2000, book 3 Published Oct 2000...

This ensures that when you do an author sort, the books for each series will be grouped together, and in ascending order.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 7:57:32 AM PDT
I create a .txt file that lists the series order and add it to the same collection where the series resides. This works best for me, since I like to sort by "most recent first" instead of alphabetically.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 8:57:17 AM PDT
Good gracious. I think I'd just go to the product page by author, sort by publication date, and just LOOK at what order they came in.

But then, I'm lazy that way.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 4:23:45 PM PDT
John D. says:
When I'm reading I'm not always in the Internet or even have it available (eg, reading on the bus). So I might be finishing one of the Harry Potter books and want to go to the next one. Rowling's crew was smart enough to put a list of the books in order at the end of each book (smart move!) but not all authors do.

Thus the desire to have a handy reference on your Kindle that lets you know the series contents in order.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 4:24:54 PM PDT
John D. says:
For making the numbers sort, you can use 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10, which sorts correctly. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 4:57:08 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 12, 2012 4:57:43 PM PDT
saraf says:
Well...since many of them list the date they were released as Kindle books, good luck with that. They're often all the same date, and there is no guarantee they've been released as Kindle books in the original publication order either. I use a list on my phone that syncs to Dropbox, but I have kept txt files on my Kindle for large series. I wish publishers would just add it to the title (whatever series #1).

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 6:12:48 PM PDT
redstar says:

Thank you so much. I'm new to Kindle 4 and Calibre and wasted several hours trying to get my books in order. I doubt I would have ever thought to look at pub dates.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 11:29:47 AM PDT
bevtooth says:
great thanks for that. shame the kindle just doesnt put them into publication order when downloaded.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 11:32:59 AM PDT
bevtooth says:
wow. thanks for the detailed answer. shame though that they dont just load into order on the kindle. will give it a go when ive got calibre. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 11:44:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012 11:45:08 AM PDT
@Bevtooth - Remember not everyone wants the same sort as you do (for whatever reason) which is why Amazon doesn't change the way that the publisher/author submit the books. I agree that I like the books that will say in the title - "XYZ Series - Book 5" but not everyone does.

Edit - You might want to let the publisher/author of your favourite series know how you feel because they are the ones that can change this.

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 1:58:39 PM PDT
BethW says:
Just a note for new people interested: Calibre is free, it is not a program you need to buy. Also there is a mobileread (?) forum that is very helpful if you have questions about the program.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2012 2:05:27 PM PDT
SavageLove says:
You're welcome.

Posted on Jun 17, 2012 5:55:57 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 17, 2012 5:58:36 AM PDT
I also use Calibre but have found that trying to sort by publication date is not very helpfui because it generally refers to the publication date of the particular edition, not original publication date. Of course, with Calibre you can look up the original publication dates and edit the metadata but it's a lot of work finding the correct information and usually isn't necessary.

Calibre has metadata fields for series and number which work great for sorting within the Calibre program on your pc. If you want the series order to display on your Kindle, you can edit the titles within Calibre. For example, "Dresden Files 1: Storm Front", "Dresden Files 2: Fool Moon", etc. If you transfer books to your Kindle from Calibre by USB, the titles will display with the edited data including the series order.

For books that aren't part of a series, I generally don't care about reading order and sort by author and title, but you can easily assign a reading order by publication date, provided that you have the correct data. I usually use wikipedia, fantasticfiction or goodreads to look up original publication date.

Posted on Jun 17, 2012 7:45:33 AM PDT
Polperro says:
I use to see a list of books in a series. If they don't have your series, they will add it on your request.
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