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Initial post: May 1, 2012 1:07:14 PM PDT
bethcross says:
A few weeks ago I had submitted a form to my local library system requesting the final two Charlaine Harris books in the Lily Bard series in ebook format since they already had the first 3.

Today, I received a reply and I know this is old news here and will probably be downvoted, but I thought I would post the reply.

"This series is published by Penguin and they are currently not selling eBooks to libraries, so we will not be able to purchase it at this time.

For news and updates to the digital collection, please check out the Digital Media blog located at http://www.hcpl.net/digital-media/blog.

Thanks for using the online title suggestion form. Have a great day!"

I feel that this is censorship in a way, albeit reverse maybe, but I cannot stress enough how irritating the Big 6 and Penguin in particular are being.

If they think this will force me to buy these books because I am spoiled by the luxury of my Kindle, they can think again.

I will continue my boycott of Penguin and its subsidiaries until further notice. The authors I love who publish through these houses will go on a waiting list at the library and I will read them in dead tree form without paying one cent.

As much as we love our Kindles, the libraries are suffering, too, as they try to bring their collections into the current times. Spare your library a kind thought - and please, consider those expensive Penguin purchases VERY carefully!

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In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:14:14 PM PDT
Zanzibar says:
It's made me remember to not buy a Penguin book. Their actions have made the Penguin name stand out so much as a negative, I don't want their products anymore unless I stick to buying a used copy of their books or borrow the DTB from the library. In both cases, they won't get a new sale from me. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will choose to spend their $$ elsewhere.

I feel the same way about the other big publishers that lock out the Public Library.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:19:53 PM PDT
So basically you're saying that if you are not able to read the book for free, you won't buy the book from them? Either way they are not getting any money from you, so why would they care?

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:27:31 PM PDT
Zanzibar says:
You miss the point of how many people use the public library system. Maybe you like to spend money for a new author or series, but I have to watch my spending better. If I don't get to try a new author (or one I've never read before) through the library or a used book copy, then I'm certainly not going to buy future books by that author. I do and have, bought new books from authors I really like. Penguin will most likely be losing sales from me. I'm happy for you that you are in a position go buy anything at a whim. If it makes you feel better to think I wouldn't have bought from Penguin anyway, then I'm glad to help you out.

Posted on May 1, 2012 1:28:42 PM PDT
bethcross says:
I buy lots of books. Lots and lots of books for myself and others. Yes, I am saying if I can't get a book published by Penguin at this point in time through my public library, I will not read it. They may not care about me or my money - that's not my point. If enough people feel the way I do, eventually, someone, somewhere in the publishing food chain will begin to care.

I understand I am a small human being Mr. Mustard, without much consequence, but I have a voice. There have been many small voices throughout time and history who have had an impact for change, both small and great. I may not move a mountain but at least maybe somebody else will see the mountain. And at least I am not blocking the sign that says "Mountain".

Posted on May 1, 2012 1:31:49 PM PDT
There is, or used to be, a concept in business called Good Will. Penguin is doing nothing to generate such Good Will. Every time I see their name on book, I get a sour taste in my mouth.

I'm not a library user, but have many family members who are. One of them is my elderly mother, who is not a reader type who spends a lot on books. She can't afford to, so she uses the library, and thrift shops for used books. She does support the library through her taxes, and through that, the publishing houses.

Penguin is not doing themselves any favors in the long run. They and others like them need to take a lesson from the music industry. There are many other fish in the sea, and plenty for us to read without them.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:34:41 PM PDT
But she's not spending money for a new author or series. She's looking for the final two books in the series. I don't blame her for wanting them. I check out books from the library as well. I just don't think the publisher is going to care if she boycotts them, because they don't see people like her as a revenue stream.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:35:37 PM PDT
Wow, you read a lot into these posts. Here, let me step out from in front of your "Mountain" sign.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:38:46 PM PDT
A smart business model see every person as a potential customer. There are people who will "vote with their money" when it comes to the strong arm tactics of like Penguins current actions.

Seeing the "little library users" as nothing, because they aren't a revenue stream is short sighted and bad business. The library users of today, young families, become the readers/book buyers of tomorrow.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:40:22 PM PDT
I'm not arguing that publishers should or shouldn't sell their ebooks to libraries. I leave that decision up to them. I'm just questioning the efficacy of the tactic.

Posted on May 1, 2012 1:44:58 PM PDT
OG InfamousR says:
I still boycott Jane Fonda movies (except Barbarella). I'm sure it has not a whit of impact on her, but nevertheless, I derive intense, smug satisfaction from doing so.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:46:33 PM PDT
Me too, lol. I refused to watch Monster-In-Law with my wife.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:48:14 PM PDT
Anne Shirley says:
Here we go again. Anyone who makes different choices/has a different POV than you about whether or not to buy a book "likes to spend money", and you "watch your spending better (than they do)." You are also "happy" that others who disagree with you "are in a position to buy 'anything' at a whim". Well aren't you speshul & wonderfully self-righteius & all, darlin''.

Nah. You don't have the money to buy what you want to buy, so you have to claim that others are sn0tty richfolks throwing their money away with all those starving elephants in Africa how could you, bad person!

Not even a nice try, really. Just been done better many MANY times before - and people saw it for what it was then, too - lame and jealous.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:52:22 PM PDT
Zanzibar says:
Yes - sorry - I forgot it's ok for others to attack and say people that don't choose to spend the way they do are irrelevant. So I have no right to an opinion.

Posted on May 1, 2012 1:52:48 PM PDT
patrinka says:
I'm not sure what is worse--refusing to sell to libraries or price gouging them:

http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2012/03/ebooks/librarians-feel-sticker-shock-as-price-for-random-house-ebooks-rise-as-much-as-300-percent/

(this link was posted on my library's FB page last month)

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 1:54:36 PM PDT
Where exactly was the attack?

Posted on May 1, 2012 2:04:12 PM PDT
OG InfamousR says:
Unlike other posters who have started similar threads, this OP didn't come across pushing any sense of entitlement or common cause to action against Penguin. I'm not full-on boycotting Penguin, but I can clearly see the OP's point of view.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 2:09:15 PM PDT
Cassie Anne says:
How do you know you "watch your spending better" than I do? How do you know I don't scrimp in other areas to be able to afford e-books?

But most importantly - who are you to judge how other people choose to spend their disposable income?

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 2:13:19 PM PDT
"I will continue my boycott of Penguin and its subsidiaries until further notice . . . please, consider those expensive Penguin purchases VERY carefully!"

Sounds to me like she is encouraging us to boycott Penguin.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 2:14:28 PM PDT
King Al says:
That's not price gouging. Price gouging only applies to necessities of life in an emergency situation (e.g. bottled water after a hurricane.) The publishers are entitled to charge whatever they want, no matter how shortsighted it may be.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 2:27:48 PM PDT
Jazzy_Jeff says:
They make money if they license them to the library.
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In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 2:42:39 PM PDT
True. And I think probably, IMO, they would come out ahead in the end by allowing their books to be sold to libraries. But I don't know that, and I haven't done market studies to determine that, which I'm sure they have. So, again, I'll leave the decision to them.

Posted on May 1, 2012 3:17:03 PM PDT
MysteryL says:
Penguin gets all the attention since they were the most recent of the big publishers to stop selling ebooks to libraries. Don't forget about MacMillan, Hachette, and Simon & Schuster since they won't sell ebooks to libraries either.

Sure, those 4 publishers can decide not to sell to libraries, just as I can decide not to buy from them. HarperCollins and Random House have plenty of great ebooks for me to buy. As do dozens of small publishers.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 3:58:29 PM PDT
Logician says:
- A smart business model see every person as a potential customer.

That's not even a little bit true. Every business needs to target their product to a specific audience. Some products have a large audience, some products have a small audience, but no product has a universal audience.

In reply to an earlier post on May 1, 2012 4:06:52 PM PDT
Of course. I would never presume to tell someone what publisher's they should or shouldn't do business with.
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