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Have Kindle 3G. Looking at Fire HDX. Increase with Verizon 4G is Horrible.Why?


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Initial post: Sep 28, 2013 2:22:03 PM PDT
Roni Filla says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 28, 2013 2:36:11 PM PDT
Sarida says:
I'm not familiar with Verizon and their plans. Have you looked at the AT&T plan if you want a cellular tablet?

Or you may check with Verizon and see what a tethering plan would cost. Then you could get a wifi tablet and connect through your smartphone.

Or like you suggest, you may not even want a 4G tablet. It sounds like that isn't something that would work into your lifestyle anyway.

Here is the AT&T data plan. You do not have to have a cell phone with them to have the plan for your tablet. Nor a two -year contract. However, you need to check on the AT&T map to see if you can get data in your area of the United States. There are a LOT of rural areas that AT&T data does not cover.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 28, 2013 3:44:56 PM PDT
Roni Filla says:
Oh, that I didn't know about At&T...that is great info I will check that out. I am in a rural area...so I will have to check... Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 28, 2013 4:56:14 PM PDT
no most tablets dont cost what you are saying, you forget you dont have to take you tablet with you everywhere and if you do, load it up first, simple

Posted on Sep 28, 2013 8:06:44 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 29, 2013 5:04:16 PM PDT
Retired EE says:
I assume your cell phone service is not with VZW or AT&T because you can add a tablet to those plans for much less. The KF may work with other carriers which are compatible with VZW or AT&T but you will have to ask. I also assume that you do not have internet and WiFi service at home or you could load whatever you want to read/play on the KF for use when not at home. If you have cable or DSL internet service but no Wi-Fi you could add a wireless router for $50 or less. The final suggestion is to add the Wi-Fi Hotspot option to your phone. There are several apps available if needed to add that function. That shouldn't cost much and then you wouldn't need the 4G version saving $100. You again would have to inquire about that from your present cell provider. The data required to download books, apps and the browser access to purchase (free and paid) content is small. If you have at least a 500 MB to 1 GB data plan it should be enough. The only caution is that you only turn the hotspot on when you need it and connect the phone to a charger (home or car) while using it as the phone uses a lot more power while the Hotspot is on.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 28, 2013 8:23:13 PM PDT
you could get it without the 4g ...... then no per month plan needed

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 28, 2013 8:53:05 PM PDT
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Posted on Sep 29, 2013 1:29:19 AM PDT
When you buy a car with a V-8 engine, it costs more than a car with a V-6 engine? Why?

When you buy a Tv set with a 60 inch screen it costs more than a Tv with a 32 inch screen. Why?

The costlier items have something extra in them, so they cost more. Ditto for 4G tablets as compared to Wi-Fi tablets.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2013 6:08:30 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 29, 2013 6:09:11 AM PDT
GLN says:
(to Leroy)....... You really mean 500MB and 1GB I am sure.......

Posted on Oct 10, 2013 2:03:19 PM PDT
Roni Filla says:
Thanks for all the input. I do already have the wifi on my phone via VZW. Separate Internet Broadband...fast, and we have a wifi router working great, for several years now. I guess I thought I had to buy another DATA Pack to use the 4G....I already have a Verizon Data Pack, on the cell phone. I may already be covered for the 4G.
Thanks...to all for the input.

Posted on Oct 10, 2013 2:10:53 PM PDT
L. Hill says:
Roni - check with Verizon...you may still have to pay a monthly fee to add a Fire HDX to their plan. Right now, our local Verizon person doesn't even know that the Fire is coming out with Verizon ability...so, they couldn't help much. Called Verizon, they said it would be $30/month to add a Fire, because I don't have a "Family Share Data" plan...so have to "buy" data for a fire. If I had the sharing plan, it would be $10/month, just like adding a phone to share the data.
However, I have WIFI almost everywhere, so didn't go 4G this time...between work, home, and family - I have wifi almost everywhere. For the places I don't - I have a smart phone. And, I am looking into a portable router to travel with, as most hotels offer free wired internet connections now - but charge for wifi - portable wifi fixes that problem. Hope this helps.

Posted on Oct 10, 2013 3:36:39 PM PDT
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Posted on Oct 10, 2013 5:42:30 PM PDT
Roni Filla says:
Thanks...I have been on the Verizon Site for over an hour checking all the "new" out. So basically, we would be paying about 100 to 160.00 a month. somewhere in there could be the tablet charge of 10.00 each month. I have a lot more research to do...

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 10, 2013 5:50:40 PM PDT
Carbonbased says:
I had a similar experience on myAT&T trying to find out how much it would cost to add MB to my phone plan--it's listed as 'shared' although it's separate from the tablet (promotional $50/yr plan has one more month.) I couldn't find any links to data pricing or any online modification step. I assume they want you to call, as it is easier to upsell someone who can't read the fine print before saying yes.

The AT&T link on the Fire HDX product page was very confusing, but maybe that's just me.

Posted on Oct 10, 2013 7:28:33 PM PDT
Retired EE says:
I have had a VZW smartphone data plan for about three years. I understand they have three subscription plans. There are two grandfathered (not available today) data plans, the unlimited data plan for $30/mo and the tiered data plan which starts at $30/mo for 2 GB. The Shared plan starts its data at $40 for 0.5 GB and $60 for 2 GB shared with up to 10 devices. These data plans include 4G data. If you have the tiered grandfarhered or the shared plan there is no charge for using your smartphone(s) as a hotspot due to an agreemant between VZW and the FCC. there is a charge for hotspot service on the unlimited data plan. I have the tiered plan and use my 4G smartphone's hotspot function for my tablets and laptops. Maybe things have changed but I have seen no change..

Posted on Oct 14, 2013 7:03:09 AM PDT
L. Hill says:
Retired - where did you discover the info that on the tiered plan, there is no charge to use your smartphone as a hotspot? I have the tiered plan (actually, with 4GB paying for 2GB due to a special they were running, and now have to honor) on a Razr Maxx that is hotspot capable. However, the local Verizon store is telling me there is still a charge to use my smartphone as a hotspot. Any info you could point me to as reference for the store would help...Thank You.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2013 12:45:01 PM PDT
I see no plan for tablets on the Verizon site that costs 100 to 160 a month. The most I can find is $80 a month for 10 GB of data. For 1GB it is only $20 a month. Costs vary by the amount of data you want.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 14, 2013 5:22:30 PM PDT
Retired EE says:
I have had a VZW smartphone (with a tiered, limited) data plan for about three years. I understand VZW have three subscription plans. There are two grandfathered (not available today) data plans, the unlimited data plan for $30/mo and the tiered data plan which started at $30/mo for 2 GB. The present offering, Shared Data plan starts its data part at $40 for 0.5 GB and $60 for 2 GB shared with up to 10 devices. All of these data plans include 4G data. If you have the tiered grandfathered or the shared plan there is no charge for using your smartphone(s) as a hotspot due to an agreement between VZW and the FCC. There is a charge for hotspot service on the unlimited data plan. I have the tiered plan and use my 4G smart phone's hotspot function for my tablets and laptops. Maybe things have changed but I have seen no change.

L. Hill Says: Retired - where did you discover the info that on the tiered plan, there is no charge to use your smartphone as a hotspot? I have the tiered plan (actually, with 4GB paying for 2GB due to a special they were running, and now have to honor) on a Razr Maxx that is hotspot capable. However, the local Verizon store is telling me there is still a charge to use my smartphone as a hotspot. Any info you could point me to as reference for the store would help...Thank You.

The VZW website is silent about Hotspot rules for Grandfathered plans. Their Shared plans do not add a charge for hotspot/wi-Fi tethering functionality and that is discussed on the VZW site. This is one of the better discussions about the agreement VZW made with the FCC in mid 2012.
http://www.zdnet.com/verizon-no-free-tethering-for-unlimited-data-plan-customers-7000001987/
A quote from this article about grandfathered tired data plans.
"Earlier, Rich Young, Verizon's director of media relations for human resources issues, told The New York Times that Verizon had not blocked customers from using third-party apps. Verizon blamed third-party tethering apps being blocked on an employee who had been working with the Google's Android app store operators. Lewis continued:

We still offer Mobile Broadband Connect, and the fee applies to customers using unlimited data plans. If a usage-based customer wants to subscribe, or continue to subscribe, to Mobile Broadband Connect, they can do so. They get both a high-quality robust tethering app and additional data allowances. On the other hand, a usage-based customer that wishes to tether other devices but does not wish to subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect can cancel the service, purchase or obtain a third-party tethering application, and simply pay for the additional data usage."

This statement by Rich Young is based on the agreement VZW made with the FCC as discussed in the following link'
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57485518-94/what-verizons-fcc-tethering-settlement-means-to-you-faq/

Trying to find someone at VZW to admit to these agreements is very difficult and maybe impossible. That doesn't change the facts.
I don't believe I am cheating by using the hotspot on my phone. I use the Widget Hotspot Toggle. Others I know use the app Foxfi.

Posted on Oct 15, 2013 1:10:22 PM PDT
L. Hill says:
Retired - Thanks! I understand now - I was trying to use the "supplied" hotspot connection on the Android menu - which takes you to the Verizon Mobile Hotspot system...and then charges you $20/month. When you ask at a store, that is also where they point you to...and if you ask about 3rd party apps, they say they are not supported...which had led me to believe they didn't work. Now...I understand! Verizon isn't "lying"...they just aren't telling me the whole story! They indeed don't support 3rd party apps...of course...because the developer of the app supports it! And...under my grandfathered plan, if I use their "supported" app - it's $20/month...which, as a good thing, increases the amount of data I can us to unlimited. BUT...if I go with a 3rd party app...as you apparently have...that is allowed under the grandfathered, capped, data plan I have...and it is "free" up to the 4GB I have already purchased!!! Which means...look out 3rd party!!!

You mention Widget...and Foxfi - which do you prefer? Benefits of one over other - primary use will be Kindle Fire to hotspot when traveling, or away from Wifi...very infrequently, using laptop across when out of wifi coverage or away from home. Do you know any issues with multiple platforms or the like with either of the two you mention? Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 15, 2013 5:03:39 PM PDT
Retired EE says:
I prefer the Widget app "Hotspot Toggle" by Mehdy Bohlool which is it's name on on the Google play store. I use it for my Kindle HD, Galaxy Tab and HP laptop at the same time with no problems. You specify the Wi-Fi code so it's protected against anyone else accessing your Wi-Fi. As a side note the $20 charge for the VZW Mobile Broadband Connect only adds 2 GB more data not unlimited data. It is legally required for anyone who has an unlimited plan. Unless you need more data ( my 2 GB has been plenty for my uses since I don't download movies or music while using my hotspot) there is no reason to consider adding it for tiered limited data VZW plans.
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