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The Count of Monte Cristo - A Swashbuckling, Adventurous Reading Group


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 7:26:48 AM PDT
Denise says:
chapters 1 - 11 -- free to discuss! That takes us right up to the time that Villefort meets his father.

I'm the same way with movies. I keep thinking "THIS time, maybe..." And yet, while I never give up hoping, I still read widely in genres that are definitely not going to be just happiness, and I'd be bored if they were. So the different parts of my brain are apparently not friends with each other.

And, today's PSA: our READING this next week (June 23-29) will cover chapters 12 - 21
For those on the daily plan, today's chapters are 12 & 13.

Posted on Jun 23, 2012 8:17:40 AM PDT
oh ok.... thanks

I have to tell you I am by no means a fan of this Villefort. I hope he gets what's coming to him...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 8:40:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 23, 2012 8:40:51 AM PDT
Jazzy_Jeff says:
At least he does feel bad...hehe. I am sure he will get over it though.

Posted on Jun 23, 2012 8:42:39 AM PDT
Arual says:
Out of the four enemies of Dantes, three expressed (internal) remorse at their actions, but were too morally weak to reverse themselves. Danglars is simply evil, through and through.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 8:44:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 23, 2012 8:44:37 AM PDT
Jazzy_Jeff says:
I don't think being morally weak had anything to do with Villefort. He wants power and money above everything it seems.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 8:47:13 AM PDT
Arual says:
If Mercedes or Renee had come into his office at a crucial moment and pled for mercy for Dantes, Villefort would have stopped his prosecution. He's morally weak BECAUSE he wants power and money.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 8:50:30 AM PDT
Do they not represent deadly sins? Greed, pride, lust, envy? Sloth, wrath and gluttony I can't really see there, but Dumas seems big on the "cardinal virtues" and character traits as represented by physical features;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 8:53:50 AM PDT
Arual says:
Interesting! I think wrath can be attributed to Danglars as well as envy. And Caderousse is a glutton, if you consider alcohol.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 8:57:52 AM PDT
Yes, I guess that is true. Sloth, nah - I don't suppose there was much opportunity to be lazy back then...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:18:03 AM PDT
Denise says:
It's almost like he "kinda sorta" wants to listen to his conscience, but can't work up the guts to do so. I'm with Sweet Pea: I want him to get what's coming to him. (Yes, I've read the book. I still want the good guys to win.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:18:45 AM PDT
Denise says:
Yes, and he senses vulnerability in others and sharpens his pointy stick to poke where it hurts.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:19:18 AM PDT
Denise says:
Really? Even when he wrestles with whether to do as his fiancée wishes? You don't think it's personal fear that drives him, at least at first?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:26:38 AM PDT
Jazzy_Jeff says:
Seems to me is playing both sides. Who ever is in control he wants to suck up to so he does not lose anything. He supposedly denounces his traitor father yet he does not turn him in and actually helps him.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:31:08 AM PDT
I think he probably would have done the decent thing and let Dantes go in the first place if it weren't for his dad - who is obviously such a loose cannon! I don't really know enough about French history - Dumas is pretty good at the "as you all know...", fortunately - but even so.
If this is in 1815 or so, we are only 20+ years after they had the madness of the guillotine. Even today, with news being forced down our throats 24/7, events from 20 years ago still have a major influence on actions. 9/11?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:32:39 AM PDT
But that has two sides, too - his father being publicly tried for treason (and I presume he would have been executed) would mean lots of publicity. And Dumas is very big on filial duty:)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:35:33 AM PDT
Denise says:
You have a good point. He is very quick to shape-shift when the situation changes!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:36:59 AM PDT
Denise says:
Oh yes, this was written very shortly after the events! It clearly correlates to popular fiction today that deals with recent history, though he was also skillful enough to pull off a big book like this that still interests us nearly 200 years later.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 9:48:17 AM PDT
I finished the coming week's assignment while ignoring my children this morning, so "interests" is perhaps slightly too mild...

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 10:04:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 23, 2012 10:04:35 AM PDT
Denise says:
no kidding! (And brava! for coming up with a good way to read. :D ) (did I even use that correctly? I'm so confuzzled.)

What else are you reading, since you are now without material for nearly seven days?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 10:08:02 AM PDT
(Off topic, then: Also re-reading Animal, Vegetable, Miracle and To Kill A Warlock, an Urban Fantasy / Paranormal Romance (Dulcie O'Neil Series, Book #1) (currently free, darn - I paid full price for that) and popping into The Lonesome Dove Series now and again. You gave up on Dead Man's Walk?)

Posted on Jun 23, 2012 10:10:08 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 23, 2012 10:33:58 AM PDT
Arual says:
My knowledge of French history is woeful. I feel as though I'm missing so much that the original readers would know without even thinking about.

For example, a sentence in the incriminating letter reads: "...has been the bearer of a letter from Murat to the usurper..." I looked to see who Murat was, and the Kindle dictionary reads: "Joachim Murat (c. 1767-1815), French general, king of Naples 1808-15. A cavalry commander in Napoleon's Italian campaign 1800, he was made king of Naples. His attempt to become king of all Italy in 1815 failed, and he was captured in Calabria and executed."

Yikes. Puts a different flavor on the importance of the original letter Dantes was to deliver, and also the deadliness of the incriminating letter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 10:17:36 AM PDT
I had mixed him up with Marat, and got very confused - thank you for doing my work for me!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 10:21:25 AM PDT
Denise says:
Oops. Sorry for drifting OT! I did give up on Dead Man's Walk; not that I hated it, but it felt like a long explanation that would get me to a story I love. So I stopped.

I do always enjoy Barbara Kingsolver, and if it's a re-read to you, you already know what to expect.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming! Sorry, peeps. Didn't mean to hijack the topic.

So, NL, start talking some more about the part of the book we're allowed to discuss!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 10:22:13 AM PDT
Denise says:
thanks for throwing that in! It's too easy to read this as if it's just a story, but to its first audience, it wasn't.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 10:25:15 AM PDT
 nospin  says:
As did I.
Adding my thanks as dictionary is not available in audible format.
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