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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 8:46:01 AM PDT
ppcsue says: "I wonder how many of the posters here who think all of this is no big deal (and those who denounce the practice of stripping DRM from ebooks) would feel the same way if all of their ebooks suddenly became unreadable."

I've lost access to quite a lot of ebooks over the years because of that. Including ones from Amazon after they shut down the old ADE and MSlit DRM servers. I've lost some music as well. And I have thousands of dollars in useless software too. That's just one direction. It can work in the other direction as well. Old hardware can become useless when new formats come out. My old Rocketbook eReader is useless. My old Sony PRS-500 was useless since I didn't send it to Sony for the firmware update. And some older MP3 players won't play the new M4A format files iTunes now uses (you have to know to convert them to MP3s after buying if you want to play them on the older players). It is 100% expected with digital goods. But I can understand how people new to the world of digital goods would not understand the potential for that.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 9:02:53 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 5, 2011 9:46:56 AM PDT
Bridget Ruth says:
You still most likely won't be able to buy books directly from the app. Unless Stanza is willing to give Apple 30% cuts. You keep saying they need to come up with a work around. As I said before, I don't think there is one. And if they did find one, Apple would close it pretty gosh darn fast. Amazon is more concerned with selling books than Kindles, most of the estimates are they barely make anything on the devices themselves. Why else would they have *free* apps for most platforms. It's like you expect Amazon to do something that they legally can't do.

Nice to know you'd like to see a Napster site. Once again, illegal.

And once again. They *have no choice* but to let the iOS users "suck it up". Otherwise they wouldn't get a cent of any Agency Model books purchased. Apple brought this down on everyone, yet you seem convinced that Amazon can do something about it and so you're punishing them.

ETA: I just checked news releases about Blufire reader (the reader Booksonboard uses according to their website) recent updates. Apparently you've never been able to buy books directly from their apps, at least according to the comments at the bottom. But the changes (they didn't actually update the app, just changed what the "Get Books" link will take you to) mean that you still have to go through the browser to buy any new books. And apparently it's more complicated because you can buy books through several vendors, in several formats, for several readers from their site. My only hands-on experience was looking into how the library lending worked through that app (then I checked my local library selection and decided it wasn't worth the bother because with ADE you have to open it on your computer first and I've been spoiled by Whispernet). And, this info comes once again from the lengthy comment from a Bluefire person at the bottom of the page (link below), they're losing revenue because of the changes.

http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2011/07/01/bluefire-reader-now-complies-with-apples-in-app-purchase-rules/

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:14:03 AM PDT
King Al says:
Kobo has a workaround which Apple has apparently not shut down yet. Their app now has a newsfeed, and the top article in the newsfeed has a link to the Kobo store. (I do have the "old" Kobo app, but have not upgraded the app so I haven't been able to verify whether the link is still the top news item.)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:16:55 AM PDT
Bridget Ruth says:
The link just takes you to their store via Safari, right? It still wouldn't solve the sample problem though . . . would it? So having a bookmark to the Kindle store is almost the same . . . just out of curiosity, what else is on the newsfeed?

Posted on Aug 5, 2011 10:23:13 AM PDT
Seer says:
I like Kindle. I've bought 150 books in the last year. I'm nut punishing them. I'm just trying to buy books I can read on my iPad and have some security towards the future. I've given up on in app purchasing for the moment. But since I have to manually go to the browser I want to have more control over my books. Stanza does allow you to buy a free book directly from the app from any of their free booksellers, something we can't do on Amazon anymore. It works just like whispernet and the reader is pretty flexible. Amazon and the other booksellers can certainly do many things to reinforce their commitment to the app. We talked about this in an earlier post. They could do a buyers club with benefits like Amazon Prime for free, they could discount those books not set by the publisher, they could provide a rebate program or point program towards books, they could enhance the ios so that a Sample list or vault was there. They could create a free bookstore and allow the link through there with an easy navigate to your samples, etc. The fact that they've done nothing to reinforce their association with Apple/Kindle while customers are trying to figure out what the impact is, speaks loudly. They may not want to put their resources behind fighting it out on Apple's turf. I don't think Amazon cares if they make any money on Kindles. If someone buys one, chances are they will be buying Kindle books from that point on. Amazon may just focus on that strategy.

I've never used Bluefire before but if it requires a computer download, then I won't even bother.

I don't think Stanza is up to Kindle standards, but I won't need to worry about accessing my books for the foreseeable future. They have multiple stores, including BooksonBoard and a bunch of free booksellers. I think there will be more sellers like this that will focus on ebooks that can be read with any ePub or PDF reader for folks that want to use an iPad or tablet device and don't want to get caught in the ereader wars.

I'm not trying to steal books, but between the publishers, Apple and this big battle for control among them all, they will drive readers to it. And it will happen faster than it did with music because we all see it coming now. I think they deserve it at this point, they're crating the environment.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:27:33 AM PDT
Bridget Ruth says:
Bluefire only needs a computer when using ADE to read library books.

And maybe the publishers deserve it, but the authors sure don't. Stealing is stealing.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:28:11 AM PDT
Seer says:
Cool! Thanks, King Al. I'll check it out. The trick will be to see if it's responsive to what you're doing...ie; it authenticates you and let's you buy the book you're sampling. It's still an improvement and shows a committment to thier ios app that we havent' seen from Amazon, unfortunatly. .

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:29:14 AM PDT
You can't do a wrong thing right.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:31:57 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 5, 2011 10:33:43 AM PDT
I just downloaded the Kobo app and there is no link to the store in any of the 4 news items. The only link is in the July 23rd annoucement. It is a link to Apple.. to give them "feedback" on the changes they forced on Kobo.

Posted on Aug 5, 2011 10:36:14 AM PDT
Seer says:
The authors don't deserve it. Nobody wins here except maybe Apple and the big 6 publishers. But they can't expect ebook readers to just put up with this. I'm seeing many authors begin self publishing and providing their works in different formats, which is good.
BTW - Amazon has lost a point in their review on the App store in the last week. All the customers who are aggravated by the loss of the buy functionality are downgrading their reviews, many to one star. So now iBooks actually has a better rating than Kindle. Everyone should take a moment and go to iBooks in the App store and provide a review there on what you think of iBooks and Apple.

Posted on Aug 5, 2011 10:45:15 AM PDT
nina houle says: "Nobody wins here except maybe Apple and the big 6 publishers."

Exactly... and they win everytime someone ignorantly does what you are doping.. punishing the only company that had the balls to try and fight them. Punishing the only company that is STILL trying to fight them (by constantly under-cutting the physical book prices and thus creating a firestorm of complaints about how eBooks are more than paperbooks.. something that Amazon has been doing more and more often over the past 6 months.)

"BTW - Amazon has lost a point in their review on the App store in the last week. All the customers who are aggravated by the loss of the buy functionality are downgrading their reviews, many to one star. So now iBooks actually has a better rating than Kindle."

Which is exactly what Apple WANTS to happen. Eliminating the competition, esp the only competition that tried to fight them, and continues to try and fight them, is their goal. So Apple is sitting back and loving those ignorant reviews.. just as they are siting back and loving the likes of you for punishing the only company that tries to fight them. Way to go.. Apple loves you.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:46:40 AM PDT
King Al says:
I think you're right on all counts. I'll probably upgrade the app tonight and see what happens.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:46:50 AM PDT
Bridget Ruth says:
And I love this post. It's everything I was trying to say but more upfront about it.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:53:49 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 5, 2011 10:54:46 AM PDT
nina houle says: "Stanza does allow you to buy a free book directly from the app from any of their free booksellers, something we can't do on Amazon anymore."

Stanza is still in violation of Apple's rules. (they also still link to paid stores) How long they are allowed to do that is unknown. Apples rules does not discriminate between paid or free. The rules is simple, no links to any external source of media is allowed without the Apple run in-app purchse system being in place.

"They could do a buyers club with benefits like Amazon Prime for free, they could discount those books not set by the publisher, they could provide a rebate program or point program towards books, they could enhance the ios so that a Sample list or vault was there. They could create a free bookstore and allow the link through there with an easy navigate to your samples, etc."

No, they can't. The iOS rules do not allow ANY link to ANY external source of material w/o also putting the Apple run in-app system in as well. That is the rules. As for the store related things, those would only be able to be done on the books from non-agency publishers. They are not the sellers of the Agency books and can't discount them in any way at all. No promo codes. No programs or clubs. Nothing. Even Kobo isn't allowed to use their new customer promo on agency books. None of that would do a thing to change the Agency model and the crap that has caused. It would be nice, but in the end ineffectual to change the actual problem at hand.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:54:29 AM PDT
King Al says:
So maybe Apple finally shut it down. It *had* a link as of August 3 (see comments.)

http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2011/08/01/kobo-found-a-way-around-apples-rules/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDigitalReader+%28The+Digital+Reader%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 10:58:34 AM PDT
Yup. Apple must have caught on and forced a change. That is the announcement I mentioned that had the apple feedback link. Where it used to link to kobo.com in that version, the one I got says "the Kobo website". Even the link to the Blog is gone.

Well, at least they gave it a shot. Someone had to try. :)

Posted on Aug 5, 2011 11:01:45 AM PDT
Seer says:
Thomas, I WANT Amazon to stay in the fight, but so far they have done nothing to mitigate the loss of the buy button or to reinforce their committment to Kindle ios. It would be ignorant to keep buying books on a platform that may get increasingly more cumbersome to use. I am not buying iBooks, nor am I just continuing to buy Kindle like nothing is happening. I did however provide a one star rating for iBooks and a matching review. Maybe you should do the same. (You can't give 0 stars.) There are some folks doing that, but more are leaving their negative feedback at Kindle. I'm sure they are hoping Amazon will do something about it.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 11:08:05 AM PDT
Bridget Ruth says:
Holy moly. I can't do it anymore. The people giving Kindle those one star reviews are ignorant about what is really going on. And you're not much better. We've already established (thanks Thomas Palmer) that anything Amazon could do wouldn't do much good thanks to the Agency Model. Which we have because of . . . ? Anybody? Steve Jobs and Apple. Which means this is the *second* time Apple has screwed over the e-reading consumer. And just like people punished Amazon for high agency prices, they're punishing Amazon for this change. Which isn't that big of a change! I think the fact that they bothered to create an update, which then had to be approved by Apple, is a commitment. They could've just pulled the app and not even bother with it, but they didn't.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 11:09:29 AM PDT
I gave iBooks a 1 star review a long time ago because I felt it deserved it.

If you think it is ignorant to keep buying books on a "platform that may get increasingly more cumbersome to use" then why on earth are you doing it on an iPad.. the one and ONLY platform that is getting more and more cumbersome as Apple starts enforcing their rules more and more?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 11:15:43 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 5, 2011 11:19:59 AM PDT
King Al says:
I don't know what you expect Amazon to do, since Apple is clearly going to close any loopholes.

Edited to add: Amazon can't do anything about the "Buy" button, but they could do some of the other things you suggested.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 11:16:22 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
nina, honestly, what do you think Amazon can do to mitigate the fact that under Apple's rules they can't provide a link to the Kindle store within the App? What is your brilliant solution? I put the Kindle Store bookmark right on my iPad homescreen. Takes me right there and I can shop, shop, shop til I drop.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 11:18:37 AM PDT
S. Kessler says:
There is nothing "cumbersome" about the Kindle App on iPad. I still get all my Kindle books to read whenever I want to. The ONLY change is I have to go outside the app, to a bookmark that looks and behaves just like an App on my homescreen, btw, to make a new purchase. That is hardly "cumbersome."

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 11:18:37 AM PDT
Bridget Ruth says:
Or at least until your 1-click finger gets a cramp . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 12:32:30 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 5, 2011 12:33:28 PM PDT
Seer says:
The vast majority of recent negative reviews on the Kindle app are scathing towards Apple. Posters seem largely aware of this situation, but dissatisfied with the reduced functionality. There are a lot of reviews posted, so while it may be unpopular, many ios users feel the same way. Almost all say they will not be switching to iBooks, but they are universally unhappy with the change. If you don't use the ios App as your main reader, you don't have the same experience. Remember these are just the folks that take the time to post, but they are probably representative of many other users. Do you think all these people are ignorant while you have a superior understanding? It just doesn't change how people feel.

You keep saying Amazon can't do anything to improve the ios experience, but I haven't seen any reassuring announcement from them about their continuing committment to ios since all the complaints have come flooding in.
As for the iPad, I really do like the device as I use it for so many things besides reading, but when it's time to replace I will definitely be looking at the other tablet offerings. Now that Droid has many apps, it may be an option, and I would guess Amazon will continue to support and upgrade the Droid app. But I'm not so sure about ios and that's what I'm using for the immediate future.
I wish we could see more in the press about how angry ios users are at Apple. Right now most of the ire is coming from dedicated ebook readers and limited to reviews and forums.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2011 12:36:18 PM PDT
CLS10 says:
"but I haven't seen any reassuring announcement from them about their continuing committment to ios since all the complaints have come flooding in. "

What I think should be reassuring is the fact that Amazon didn't just pull the app (which I'm betting that they and others would have done had Apple not been ok with the basic removal of store apps).
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