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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 7:51:00 AM PDT
I think most Canadians are used to waiting for a while for products from the U.S. to make their way here. Apple has done it right though: they at least provide a forecast for release of their products internationally. I believe Amazon does want to compete with Apple, at least in terms of sales (and clearly the Kindle Fire is nothing remotely like a typical iPad, so can't be compared). Otherwise they wouldn't have bothered to release their other Kindles internationally. I think the only thing we're asking for is a projected sales date.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 7:51:50 AM PDT
Ok you caught us. The Canadian government is heavily involved in the inner workings of every company this side of the border. It's a big conspiracy and we're really bummed that you caught us.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 7:53:34 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 7:56:03 AM PDT
Nice strawman. Hyperbole doesn't change the fact that the Canadian government is in fact trying to help Canadian book retailers at the expense of Amazon. No one claimed it was every company in Canada or a conspiracy.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 7:56:31 AM PDT
"You are second class citizens" is constructive? What school of logic did you graduate from? First off, we're not citizens of the U.S. so your statement is automatically invalid. Secondly, your statement is inflammatory. I checked your other reviews so I know you're not a typical troll. So what's with all of the hostility?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 7:58:16 AM PDT
Where do you get your information? This opinion is being offered without benefit of any kind of support whatsoever. Governments don't care if an author is published in one place but not another. And it takes a lot of effort and money to get that granular with market manipulation.

Offer up a cite and I'll recant.

Posted on Sep 29, 2011 7:59:52 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 8:00:24 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 8:02:49 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 29, 2011 8:04:56 AM PDT
Source, please.

" Today , Kindle Touch, Kindle Touch 3G and Kindle Fire are available only in the U.S.," a spokeswoman said in an email.

"Unfortunately, I have no further details."

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/Amazon-unveils-Kindle-Fire-capress-4002015747.html?x=0

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 29, 2011 8:55:51 AM PDT
I think it will be available internationally sometime in 2012. Analysts are predicting they will sell 15 million by 2013

Posted on Sep 30, 2011 4:51:45 AM PDT
Here is an explanation (finally!) for why the US and Canadian prices are different for books. This article is from 2010, so not sure if anything has changed since this came out. It is kind of a subsidy, I suppose. Anyway, here's the article:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/remove-this-barrier-to-books/article1563936/

What I would like to know is why Amazon charges the exchange rate for ebooks, but Apple doesn't? As I understand it (and I could be wrong, please correct me if I am wrong *without the snide remarks, please*) both companies' servers are in the US. So why the difference? If anybody knows for sure, I would greatly appreciate it. I have been trying to find the answer to that one for a while.

Posted on Sep 30, 2011 6:16:19 AM PDT
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That covers part of the problem. Remember when the Canadian dollar was worth about 65 cents US? The publishers were very quick to reflect that downward spiral. And remember how slow they were to respond when the dollar came back up? Booksellers were caught because they had paid earlier when the dollar was low and now their buyers want to pay the US price because the dollar was so much higher. Add to that the increase in internet and cross border shopping and the birth of e-books....it's a wonder there are any Canadian booksellers left!

Anyway, US publishers and US distributors have North American rights. When their books come out, it comes out in Canada and US. It's UK and Canadian publishers who split the region into 2 separate entities. That's where you'll see separate covers and prices and often delay in publishing dates between the home country and the other country. Separate publishers for separate regions made sense in the olden days but it doesn't make sense now. Also what do these old arrangements and laws have to do with ebooks bought in the US and which stay in the US in the Cloud?? Most authors who have embraced e-publishing/distributing did so because they did not want to put barriers between their readers and their works. If someone in Nairobi wanted to read Book#1 of their 13-book series but was unable to fly to the UK to search bookstores for it, they should be able to buy it from the author's own website!

BTW, I think most websites charge items at their country's currency and the software converts it as needed into the browser's currency. That is, no one is doing what the publishers did which is stamp the price of each country on each item and expect fluctuations to be so small that it'll all work out in the end.

Posted on Sep 30, 2011 6:48:41 AM PDT
Actually I did a check of book invoicing from all 3 companies. Kobo and Apple sold their books for the list price + taxes (no exchange) but Amazon sold the book (with tax, if from one of the Big 6 publishers or without, for all other publishers) and then charges the exchange rate on top of that. Where both servers, I believe are in the US, why does one do the exchange and the other not...it just seems kind of strange.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 6:51:53 AM PDT
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Posted on Sep 30, 2011 6:59:25 AM PDT
Kudos to Carla for the cite. (Not to you, Erich - no need to be smug. You didn't do your homework either. You waited - as I did - until someone else came along to provide it). Interesting that the publishers now want those barriers removed so that there's a level playing field for both of our countries. About time. Hope the government listens - they should, as they're all for capitalism and free(er) trade.

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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 7:05:09 AM PDT
Snowbird says:
Why are people so rude on this site!!! This is for information sharing not to comment on the fact that somebody may have forgotten to read another comment carefully. Cheer up guys!!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 7:08:16 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 7:15:48 AM PDT
I totally agree! People shouldn't be rude to others when they don't really know what they are talking about. Instead of getting all defensive and making silly hyperbolic comments - if some people were to sit back and learn a thing or two before they posted, we all may benefit. Good comment Jean.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 7:15:50 AM PDT
Yes. You're right. I was being an ass, plain and simple. Although it stemmed from Jazzy_Jeff's irritating comment that "Canadians are second class citizens - get over it" (which Amazon thoughtfully removed), the fact is, I lowered myself to his level by carrying on with this childish thread.

I apologize.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 7:18:02 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 7:18:52 AM PDT
He was not being smug. He was being snarky.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 7:45:30 AM PDT
Nice one. I apologized exactly for what I said I apologized for and not for any other imagined characteristic you'd care to assign to me. And the apology wasn't just to you - it was to everyone else who has had to sift through all of this nonsense. Whether you accept it or not is your business. I frankly don't care. Feeding a troll (Jazzy_Jeff) was a major mistake on my part, that I now regret. Mostly because trolls don't go away when you feed them. They just grow. The hyperbole was directed at him, by the way.

I truly believed there was no political involvement with the sale of books on this side of the border - and that was based on anecdotal rather than empirical evidence: I had purchased books freely from the Amazon store, as well as from the Kobo store, and noticed a variance of price in both places. Sometimes the Amazon price was cheaper than Kobo for the same book and occasionally it was the other way around. Up until then, I hadn't seen anything to suggest protectionism of books on this side of the border. Carla's link indicates that publishers certainly can raise the price on American books if they want to, by as much as 10%. So I stand corrected. Of course it doesn't mean that they do this - but I'd have a hard time believing that they wouldn't.

Posted on Sep 30, 2011 7:47:53 AM PDT
In other news, I sent a message off to Jeff Bezos, as follows:

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You *have* to be getting inundated with queries from all parts of the world about the availability of the Kindle Fire. Would it be possible for you to publish something somewhere, to say "we're working on plans to offer it in your country"? Apple has learned that Canada (where I live) is a large market for them and, even though they can't offer their products for sale at the same time as the U.S. they at least provide a date for deployment. Would it be possible for you and Amazon to do the same?
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And I got a reply back today, from one of his customer relations people:

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Currently, Kindle Fire is unavailable in Canada.

We value our international customers and hope to make Kindle Fire and related content available in more locations in the future.

Thanks for your interest in Kindle.
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So, not much more information, other than the fact they're aware of us, and of the Canadian customer demand.
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