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So can you turn the Paperwhite light completely off?


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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 12:36:39 PM PDT
Just Peachy says:
I don't think the strain from the whiter screen is any worse than reading from a bright white paper page (which I can't adjust at all). JMHO

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 2:32:07 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 31, 2012 2:32:49 PM PDT
Someone has suggested that Amazon did this on purpose. He suggested that with the light completely off, PW screen actually has slightly worse contrast than Kindle Touch due to the capacitive screen.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 31, 2012 3:26:40 PM PDT
I can confirm the contrast on the Paperwhite is just as good without the backlight on as the kindle keyboard in the couple of seconds it displays the text you are reading on screen without the light when you turn the device off, let alone the ad that displays when the device is off.

Posted on Oct 31, 2012 5:58:45 PM PDT
T. Gray says:
I just wanted to thank everyone for their input. Grown-up discussions like this are appreciated. I had avoided the GBF for a very long time because of some of the horrible treatment I observed to posters in the past. As if the GBF was "their" lunch table in school or something and they liked to pick on others who tried to sit there as well. So thanks ya'll. :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 3:34:11 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
Well, with the light always on at some low level, the Paperwhite most certainly has a shorter battery lifespan, on a device without a replaceable battery. This is in a world in which the rare earth elements that we need to make these batteries are found in countries that do not have our best interests in mind.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 4:07:29 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
T. Gray, Keyboard 3G seems to be a better choice for you - no light and web access (somewhat limited, but probably adequate for fanfict reading) both over WiFi and free 3G.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 4:16:59 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012 4:32:20 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
T. Gray if something is neither emitting nor reflecting light, then it is totally black.

It is amazing how many people psych themselves into believing that residual PW light irritates them, simply because they know it is there.

That said, I do believe that Amazon should have provided the ability to turn the light completely off, for the benefit of these people (but, as I said, as a separate control). Also, I agree with the suggestions of lowering the light temperature by 1000K or so (although this choice was probably deliberate - we associate bluish with "bright white"). Finally, because of higher manufacture costs and, it would seem, rather common interference effects (colored blotches) of lightguide layer, perhaps Amazon should have a non-lighted touchscreen model in its offering, too.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 4:29:11 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012 4:35:19 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
T. Gray, PW has *exactly* the same imaging film from E Ink Corp as other recent Kindles (as per data from manufacturer's site). It looks whiter because of residual lighting. (Edit: hm, this kind of contradicts my previous post.... On further thought, no, it does not)

The only thing that causes actual, measurable eye strain is looking into something difficult to focus on: blurry or flickering screen, text in too low light etc, causing our natural "autofocus" to "hunt". This is not to say that we don't find reading in some circumstances more "comfortable" or "pleasing" than others. For example, I don't like reading from a computer screen, but don't mind my Fire HD, although the physical screen properties are rather similar (Fire had higher pixel density, but it is read from closer distance, so effective resolution is about the same, as is the kind of backlight, polarization etc). Probably the main difference is posture: one holds Kindle as one would a paper book. Of course, e-ink Kindles are more comfortable still.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 4:30:01 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
That's quite possible.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 4:57:48 AM PDT
The lights go off completely when the PW is asleep.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 5:09:38 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
I originally purchased one having read that the lights could be turned off entirely while reading. I figured if I didn't like the light, I could turn it off and have a higher resolution Kindle Touch.

Changing the specs of a device to match the performance after the fact is totally, completely, zero trust, WRONG!

I don't know exactly why all of you KP's are defending Amazon so vigorously in what is clearly a case of false advertising, but I know for a fact that the shiny badge has perks that are worth money.

You have no credibility on anything involving any negative comment on Amazon.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 5:34:21 AM PDT
I love my Paperwhite. I can't tell the light is on that tinsy bit, when it is turned all the way down. Honestly, I can't tell.

The screen is a little sharper than my Basic. The fact that the lights aren't technically all the way off is a non-issue for me. Because I can't tell. I wanted a Paperwhite for the light, and I always use it.

I didn't parse every single advertisement that Amazon put out. IMHO, this is just not a big deal.

I think for most people, the lights are off at the lowest level, because they don't cast enough light to be considered "ON." If I hadn't looked closely down into the bezel, I would have said they were off, because my eyes don't detect the light.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 5:50:08 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
First, get born nearly blind in one eye. Then deal with a brain that grew from birth to accommodate that disability in every facet of your life. Then remove the tiny vision you once had in the bad eye due to irreparable retinal detachment. You might possibly develop more acute vision in the one good eye. You will also have a spine and neck that grew permanently slanted to point that one good eye forward.

You truly have no idea how imperfect senses are handled by the miracle of the brain.

Do you honestly think that you see what others see? Nobody knows what others experience with their senses. And to keep on saying that you don't see it means exactly nothing. All of our senses are mostly in the brain, not the sensory organs.

And don't tell me that I am unusual, because i was here when people like me made the Kindle 1 a success. I remember when you were a newbie.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 5:53:38 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
Wow, I think you are reading a lot more into Meya's post than what is there.
She said "for most people". She hasn't said anything personal to you. She is just relaying HER experience.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:05:40 AM PDT
I have a long list of neurological issues as well.

Nystagmus, benign positional vertigo, at last count 3 white spots on my brain, severe near-sightedness, a case of galloping hypercussis, and benign MS. I have no depth perception, can't stand flashing lights of any kind. You don't know what it is like to be me either. To not be able to be anywhere that uses speakers, or shop in stores with florescent lights, for more than 20 minutes. I have more "ideas" about the brain, and how it works, than you could possibly know. I deal with neurological issues every single day. I miss out on stuff, every single day.

I can't read paper books anymore. I love the Paperwhite. It's that simple.

If you read more into my post, I'm sorry. My liking the device doesn't have anything to do with your medical issues. I didn't denigrate you at all. But honestly, those who are satisfied with the device...would it help you in any way if I didn't like it? You really don't need to be so mean in your comments...there are many people with terrible medical issues who don't feel the need to be nasty.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:06:07 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
It has become personal. Every change to every device and software release from Amazon this year has taken things away from visually impaired people. From the stupid tiny fonts of Kindle Format 8, to the removal of line spacing on the all Fires, to the removal of one of the larger font sizes on the Paperwhite, to the complete mess with the iPad brightness.

I really want to stay with Amazon, but right now, they don't make a single device now that I can use. Not one. I am sick of the apologists and Fanazons trying to tell me that everything's great and that changing the specs of a device after purchase is OK. It is not OK.

Meya keeps trying to discredit those of us who DO see the difference by citing her own personal experience, and it means nothing, no matter how many times it is repeated.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:09:39 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
Meya has NOT been personal. She hasn't tried to discredit YOU.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:10:37 AM PDT
My experience may mean nothing to you, but neither does your experience mean anything to those who are happy with the device.

Can you not see the flip side? If I or anyone else refused to use the Paperwhite, would it help your issues? The world doesn't revolve around me, or you, or any one person. My being happy with this Kindle has NOTHING to do with you.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:18:45 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
"I know for a fact that the shiny badge has perks that are worth money."

Would you mind spelling them out?

So, you think that this silly badge should force me to accommodate every nonsense spouted by habitual whiners? Well, the good news is that, *not* being in any professional relationship with Amazon I am free to say what I think, unlike those poor souls from Amazon who must keep "the customer is always right" stance.

I have big issues with some aspects of Amazon software development process and associated quality assurance, and with the way CS representatives are informed about newest developments; I have voiced them often. I will call a bull when I see it, be it from Amazon or fellow Kindle users. And what I read here, with rare exceptions, falls into that category.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:19:16 AM PDT
I remember when you were rational.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:24:54 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
If you have all of those problems, why on earth would you try to tell others that your experience is normal? Your severe near-sightedness alone mitigates a lot of the problems that I have. I am not minimizing yours, but don't tell me that mine are wrong. You have done this over and over again, and its getting old. So am I.

I curse the day that one of the threads here became a contest about who the sickest person in the room is. I have to be in bed for at least 16 hours a day and I lost my ability to read paper books about two years before the Kindle 1 came out.

That's not the issue. The issue is fannish support for Amazon no matter what they do. Six months ago, I wouldn't have thought that I would be writing this post.

Since April, 2012, Amazon's software development has gone straight down the tubes, removing feature after feature, messing up brightness, denying tiny font problems, removing line spacing, removing large font options. These are not perceptions. They are fact. The retrofitting of the Paperwhite manual to fit the product performance should be the subject of Congressional hearings. As a society, we cannot stand for such behavior, and it is probably against existing laws.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:26:18 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Nov 1, 2012 6:32:59 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
"Meya keeps trying to discredit those of us who DO see the difference by citing her own personal experience, and it means nothing, no matter how many times it is repeated."

So, Meya's citing her personal experience is "trying to discredit those...", while your personal experience (which consists of *knowing* the light is not completely off and nothing else*) must be taken as Holy Scripture?

*) Edit: in the context of this thread

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:29:46 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
I can't do that without harming the person who posted it. I won't do that.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:31:17 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
"I curse the day that one of the threads here became a contest about who the sickest person in the room is. "

Says she, and then goes on with the contest.

"The retrofitting of the Paperwhite manual to fit the product performance should be the subject of Congressional hearings."

Absolutely!

There are sicknesses, and then there are sicknesses...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:35:42 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
As I said, I have issues with Amazon software development, testing and maintenance. No "fannish support for Amazon no matter what they do", but no support for every irrational complaint, either.
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