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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:47:56 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
You have it wrong. When I purchased the Paperwhite, I waited until the user's manual was made public. When I read that the light could be turned off WHILE READING, I decided to try it on the assumption that I could use it as a high definition Kindle Touch with a capacitive screen.

The manual was not changed until after I got the first Paperwhite with an unreadable screen, and a replacement Paperwhite with an even worse screen. In the meantime, I was battling serious programming issues with the IOS Kindle app brightness, which is broken again after only a month. I had also tried a Fire HD, only to find that the line spacing was gone, for no *&^%$# reason. There's a post in another thread that indicates that UPS is having a lot of Fire HD's returned. Mine was one. Then I couldn't download the newest update for Android for reasons that Amazon admits are unknown.

Really, how much garbage is permissible across all platforms? I want to read books, not to make trying to get a decent display my main activity. Meanwhile, B&N, as much a I don't like them, has listed to customers and fulfilled most of my wishes.

I do not want to go to B&N, but I have nowhere else to go.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 6:58:37 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
"I do not want to go to B&N, but I have nowhere else to go."

OK. That is certainly your prerogative.

As Fire HD is concerned, I found it useful experimenting with different fonts and margin width. I don't know why the adjustable line spacing is gone; I am all for choice, although I do understand it complicates CS life.

Have you tried "immersion reading"?

Posted on Nov 1, 2012 6:59:49 AM PDT
While LED problem in this thread doesn't bother me, I do sympathize with those who say that it is a problem because of health issue with their eyes and brain. You guys have legitimate complain and should email Amazon so they may fix it in the next software update.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:01:05 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
To be honest, you have become very fannish too. You were one of my most respected posters. I'm sorry we disagree, but I don't think that my complaints are "irrational." A majority of reviewers of the most recent release on IOS and Android agree with me. And the reviews of the Paperwhite haven't been that great either.

Having said that, I saw a really gorgeous, almost perfect Paperwhite in my local Best Buy Mobile today. If I had received that one first or second, I might still have a Paperwhite. But I would still have three IOS/Android Kidnle apps not worth the powder to blow them to bits. I think. I can't even get one to download at all, despite assurances that my OS is compatible.

Now I am going to start reading a book that I had to buy from B&N because the font is hardwired to black and cannot be viewed in the white-on-black mode in the Amazon version. The B&N version has the same problem, but I can create a beautiful custom color scheme on Nook for IOS, with black text on a lovely sand color. And the custom theme loaded perfectly to my new iPhone.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:02:19 AM PDT
You should absolutely use the device(s) that best fit your needs. Not every device will meet the needs of every customer, and I too, have given up using products that have been "improved" to the point they no longer meet *my* needs.

This sucks for you. I get that. But we customers can't change anything; whether we agree with you or not, we can't change anything about the device.

If you feel the Paperwhite doesn't perform as advertised, return it. If you feel the Paperwhite doesn't meet your needs, for whatever reason, return it.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:06:39 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
"I'm sorry we disagree, but I don't think that my complaints are "irrational." A majority of reviewers of the most recent release on IOS and Android agree with me. And the reviews of the Paperwhite haven't been that great either."

By "irrational" I meant only the "issue" from the thread title. I know that some reader apps have serious bugs, and there are some on Fire HD (Carousel behavior, erratic display of archived personal documents, Cloud handling idiosyncrasies) that annoy me very much and I am surprised they don't provoke greater clamor from owners (OK, Carousel does).

"Having said that, I saw a really gorgeous, almost perfect Paperwhite in my local Best Buy Mobile today."

Have you seen it in the dark? :o))

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:07:55 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
I don't want immersion reading. I want quiet. I can hear a mosquito across a 20 foot room. I hear the high-pitched whine of incandescent light bulbs.

Four years ago, I rearranged my bedroom, bought new lamps, and even a new bookcase headboard to accommodate the Kindle 1. I am due for some reciprocal accommodation.

And I also want the progress bar and the copy text to search function back, from over 2 years ago.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:14:02 AM PDT
Dragi Raos says:
"I don't want immersion reading. I want quiet. I can hear a mosquito across a 20 foot room. I hear the high-pitched whine of incandescent light bulbs."

Ouch! One of avantages of getting old is that I don't hear mosquitoes very well any more :o)

I don't use "immersion reading", either, although some narrated classics I downloaded are rather good (and some are far from that).

"And I also want the progress bar and the copy text to search function back, from over 2 years ago."

I believe there are some hacks for some of those features, although I don't mind pressing Menu or tapping the page to see the progress - I just read :o) .

Doesn't long-pressing a word bring up the menu with "Search" one of the options?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:14:25 AM PDT
The understanding is that if you are granted superpowers--you must use them for the greater good.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:15:43 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
Yes, I did see it in the dark. I asked for a box to put over it from a person I know who works there. He laughed, but admitted he had done the same thing. So, WTH, I bought the iPhone from him, for free. It's the monthly charge I'll have to pay.

But even a perfect Paperwhite does not mitigate the very thin, and sometimes discontinuous, fonts on it. It also wouldn't solve the issue of the font size I need having been removed. I feel like a paperhanger chasing bubbles without a pin.

Posted on Nov 1, 2012 7:25:38 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:31:14 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
"Doesn't long-pressing a word bring up the menu with "Search" one of the options? "

Yes, but only one word, not a phrase or full name. I used to love using that in historical novels and adventure novels to look up people, places, and historical references. On WiFi, of course.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:33:36 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
"But we customers can't change anything."

Yes, we can. In fact, we are the only ones who can. It's a toll free number.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:39:56 AM PDT
Then, by all means, call that number and have Amazon implement whatever changes your heart desires.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:48:15 AM PDT
"It is amazing how many people psych themselves into believing that residual PW light irritates them, simply because they know it is there."

"how many people"? Did you count them? Do you have the results of your extensive, infallible psychological study to share with us doctor? How about all those studies that show the color of artificial light and it's presence emanating from a device when there was none generated by it before have absolutely no physiological affect on any person within the human race?
How would you know whether they are "psyching" themselves into believing it or not?
The fact is, you don't, and neither do I.

Studies have shown that light does affect people physically, even dim light.
Studies have also shown that physiological symptoms can be psychosomatic.
I'm not about to pretend I have enough information at hand to judge whether or not people fall into the former or latter category (or some mixture thereof), all I know is this does affect me personally, and I'm simply going to return the product if they don't fix it, while going back to the Kindle Keyboard, as it has no light which irritates me, physically or psychologically.

This sounds more like just because the issue doesn't affect you personally, you delude yourself into thinking people who have stated this does affect them (of which you have no extensive personal experience or knowledge) must be "psyching" themselves instead of having a legitimate issue. Good luck with that philosophy.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:48:40 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
Did that with IOS v. 3.2 at the end of August. Problem was Kind of fixed 3.5 weeks later with v. 3.3. Now it's broken again with v. 3.4.

I would like to have some sort of consistency from month to month, and I don't feel that it's asking too much. And it takes a lot of time on the phone to get Amazon to admit there is a problem.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:57:02 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
Well said. And to get back to the basics, there is no such thing as totally black in this universe outside of a black hole. I recall a Nobel prize being awarded to a couple of guys from AT&T for finding the omnipresent residual noise of the Big Bang.

And before someone says that it is not visible, get an analog TV and set it to a non-existent channel. That familiar black on white static screen is the visual remnant energy of the Big Bang.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 7:57:26 AM PDT
I'm trying to wrap my mind around why you needed a *bookcase* headboard because you got a *Kindle*. Bookcase. Kindle. Bookcase. Kindle.

(*brainflex*) Nope, not getting it. And... Amazon "owes" you ... something ... because you ... rearranged your furniture? That's not entitled, no not at all. ::eyeroll::

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 8:01:30 AM PDT
Fine. But complaining to customers doesn't solve anything. I can agree with you, but I can't change anything. If you have contacts at Amazon - use them.

No one here can make any changes to Kindles or Kindle apps.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 8:02:29 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 8:03:26 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
But I might be able to sway some customers to take up the cause and help.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 8:04:14 AM PDT
How do you figure Amazon owes you for your purchasing decisions?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 8:04:49 AM PDT
Just Peachy says:
seriously? Please tell me you are joking about them owing you.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 8:06:41 AM PDT
Dorsie says:
My decisions were made on the basis of features available at the time, which have since been removed, for no apparent reason.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 1, 2012 8:07:44 AM PDT
Did you, at the time of your purchase, receive something in return for your money? If so, then you're square, and no one owes you anything except a, "You have a nice day now."
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