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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 12:44:56 PM PDT
Yep. Inflated reviews turned me off SPAs pretty quickly. At first, I was thrilled beyond belief to see so many inexpensive, highly rated books. Until I read a couple.

I don't consider myself to be a picky or highbrow reader, but I want the correct words used. And spelled correctly. And for the prose to adhere to the accepted rules of grammar.

And that doesn't even begin to address the story. If I have to figure out which word(s) the author should have used, I can't even ~see~ the story, much less enjoy it. Words have meaning. Written words convey their meaning through spelling.

Famous Big Name Critically Acclaimed Literary Author can take all the liberties with grammar/spelling/word usage he/she sees fit - I may not like it - but I can accept there might be a reason for it, albeit one I can't see. Newbie SPA needs to show the world at large he/she has a solid grounding in the basics before blazing new trails.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 12:45:10 PM PDT
Anne Shirley says:
I'm sure there are a few people on the KBF who buy his books. They may indeed be good. As I stated previously, they could be the greatest Find on Amazon and I would not purchase them, nor would 98% of the people who responded in this thread, because the author is utterly offensive to most of us in his behavior. Again as stated previously, I am not "missing out", because I have more books in my TBR pile than can be read in 5 years, without buying another. 98% of those were purchased without bothering with any reviews. I can decide for myself what is likely to appeal to me - especially now when SP authors have created the situation where any and all reviews are suspect/worthless.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 12:49:41 PM PDT
Rick G says:
I read all three of her 50 shades reviews a few days ago.

She is officially my new reviewing goddess.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 12:50:12 PM PDT
Irish reader says:
And of course that's your call - as it is the other contributors on this thread. Different strokes for different folks.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 12:59:40 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 1:00:39 PM PDT
Like it or not, there is a distinction. I'm not selling anything. To anyone. I don't want to read about authors' trials and travails. I don't want advertising shoved in my face - and all the all the author-y chit-chat and shoptalk ~is~ advertising you and your profession. (General you - not you personally, Irish reader.)

If authors are not participating on the forums to sell their books, why the reluctance/refusal to stop talking about them?

ETC typo

Posted on Jul 23, 2012 1:10:30 PM PDT
Perhaps we simply need to court a better grade of author.

One that understands 'professionalism.'

Oh, wait -- they're too busy writing *books* to dominate an Amazon forum day and night.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 1:31:28 PM PDT
Anne Shirley says:
The anti-hero of the OP has taken what he believes is a "clever" way to keeping his name in the public eye. He doesn't post that which will get him banned by the bots, or even by Amazon's increasingly non-existent moderation. He doesn't even make multiple posts on the same topic. To compensate for this, he starts multiple threads on an almost almost daily basis, practically guaranteed to be about nothing but gibberish. Yes he gets his name out there, but only as someone to avoid. Someone who (supposedly) does not wish to be taken seriously, the 'amusing' class clown - but who clearly expects his marketing strategy to engender sales. How pathetic that he's quite happy to rake in the Pity Dollars, probably rubbing his hands and cackling at the gullible suckers as he does so. Make no mistake, he is positive that he is leagues smarter than those who buy his books. He has no other ammunition than to trade on that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 1:35:34 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 1:37:18 PM PDT
I also purchased said author's book, previous to it being picked up by a publisher and re-released. (I haven't had a chance to read it yet, though). I decided to pick it up after he posted a zombie type story in his town thread. I thought the story was good.
I thought he was funny at first too. It has since worn off a bit. I do chat with him here and there, but I don't understand why someone who has talent is aligning himself with some of these people-some of which seem to be way off the deep end.
Edited to add: I'm not talking behind his back because I've asked him the question before, but have not received a response.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 1:38:07 PM PDT
yes, he should use his talents for the light side.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 1:40:16 PM PDT
YES he should! LOL

Posted on Jul 23, 2012 4:20:14 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 4:26:18 PM PDT
Cphe says:
I always think

Author = Service Provider
Reader = Consumer
and as a comsumer is perfectly within their right to say their satisfaction/disatisfaction with the product they have received without any interference.

There should be IMO some professionalism within the ranks.
I very rarely go onto the KBF anymore - I said all I had to say a while ago - But I am also backing away from the SP authors unless they are a known author with a backlist - or they are a recomendation from a fellow reader.
It's not worth the angst.....with all of the books uploaded daily - I will no doubt find something I'll like in peace....

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 4:26:27 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 4:27:21 PM PDT
Rick G says:
I always disliked that word "consumer". Makes people sound like locusts. Customer is so much more friendly. Either way, though, you're right.

I.e: I've been blasting Sony all over social media for some lousy service they provided and refuse to fix. As their customer, I feel it is my right to criticize them when they fall short of expectations. So too is it with the writer / reader relationship.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 4:27:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 4:31:01 PM PDT
Cphe says:
Consumer/Customer it is the same to me.......It's my money that I'm in most cases spending.

with all the hooha on the boards in the last few months - I'm no longer concerned with friendly

with all of the books available without reviews on Amazon you would think that authors would be falling over backwards to engage readers.....not send them away as fast as they can go

Posted on Jul 23, 2012 4:30:38 PM PDT
Pete Morin says:
The only problem with consumer in the context of fiction is, if you "consume" a book, what is it that you excrete?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 4:31:25 PM PDT
Rick G says:
Lincoln logs? (ducks :)

Posted on Jul 23, 2012 4:31:58 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 4:34:56 PM PDT
Cphe says:
Endorhpins - because you have read a story that can satisfy you and you feel good

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 5:47:16 PM PDT
Anne Shirley says:
Exactly. An increasing number of people are making the decision that SP authors, and their work (ALL SP authors) are simply not worth the drama. No SP authors are taking a publicized stand against the bad behavior, so ALL SP authors are becoming tarred with the same brush. And I'm not the least upset about it. Until the SP authors whose behavior is ethical say and do something *visible* about the issue, I will be content to not bother with any SP books.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 6:06:52 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 6:07:23 PM PDT
Rick G says:
Plenty of us do, Summer, and we try not to associate with the bad apples. The problem lies in the very heart of what SP means...self publishing, as in we're doing this on our own and thus there is no real organized movement. If you look around the web there are plenty of blog posts, tweets, forum mentions etc of SP's speaking out against BBAs. The problem is, even in places where we gather to discuss things there are no "SP police". The wolves can easily slip in amongst the rest, decry the bad behavior, and then go right back to doing it. The best most of us can do is speak out to what audiences we can, and concentrate on improving our craft rather than following in their footsteps.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 6:12:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 6:13:07 PM PDT
Grimlock says:
So? Get organized. People did to harass the reviewers. The BBAs did it. The well behaved authors can't do this too? A free community on livejournal or a public yahoo group would be a start at least.

I'm sorry, but I've been stalked off this site, harangued into leaving a review elsewhere because I work for a competitor - and am now being threatened over that review. You can bet even the threat of losing my job gives me no sympathy for SP since both the instigator and the guy threatening me are SP authors.

I'm done. These kind of excuses don't work for me when the other side is capable of gathering together and forming their own website.

ETA: fixing typo.

Posted on Jul 23, 2012 6:18:44 PM PDT
Frank Tuttle says:
Coaxial Creature -- You're being threatened? I had no idea. Sheesh, this has really gotten out of hand.

No wonder so few of the former regular posters bother posting anymore.

Sorry you're going through this!

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 6:24:07 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 23, 2012 6:25:49 PM PDT
>>>The best most of us can do is speak out to what audiences we can...

On Amazon, at least, the silence is deafening. I've seen countless threads in MOA that actually solicit the antics. Review swaps. Tagging exchanges. Apologists for the unscrupulous behavior. Excuses for not speaking out.

Truth be told, I've seen it elsewhere too - most notably KindleBoards. There are "megathreads" facilitating more of the same.

Authors here on the Amazon boards who deny the issues are real concerns are active participants in, if not instigators of, the questionable behavior elsewhere.

Threads started in MOA to address/discuss these issues die a swift death.

Bottom line: I personally see very little speaking out. Certainly not here where the potential new customers are.

Edited for clarity

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 6:24:48 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 6:25:56 PM PDT
When one of the trollish SP's started a thread about how to defend themselves from bullying and abusive reviewers, I suggested that a better use of their time and energy would be to find ways to improve the overall quality of self-pub books.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 6:30:32 PM PDT
Anne Shirley says:
Regardless, the concept that she would *have* to do this, because of a couple of morally bankrupt "authors", is nauseating.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 23, 2012 6:34:47 PM PDT
Grimlock says:
Yes. Just happened tonight, so when I came home from dinner, I found the threat.

CC is using Teen Wolf and mint ice cream to calm herself down. It's surprising how quickly Hulk-rage is calmed by mint ice cream and my guilty pleasure TV show!
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