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Initial post: Jul 18, 2014 4:54:59 PM PDT
So, I got an email today. Telling me about Kindle Unlimited. Interesting is what I thought.

I have hundreds and hundreds of books. I have so many that I actually have many in a storage place. There is store around. Two of them. They all soft back books for 25 and 50 cents and hard back for 50 and 75 cents.

I also have hundreds of Kindle and iTunes books that I got free and some that I purchased. Still though, this seemed interesting.

I got the service. I get one free month. I found out that not every books is available. Can you imagine IF they were? But, I am fine with that. It could give me a chance to get books that I would not normally buy. Even if they are a low price of $4.99.

When renting or borrowing books, I found out that you can get ten at a time. First, I thought that was kind of stupid. But when I thought about it, I brushed it off. How many books do you need at once? The first book I got, which is called something like, my time on Seinfield, is over 1000 pages. That will probably take me months to read. So, ten at once is fine with me.

Then, I read some people saying that they read slow. They said they may read one book a month. So, the $9.99 was a waste. I sat and thought about that for a bit. Then, I thought of three things. Net Flix, Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime. I pay for all three of them. I don't think I have ever watched one thing on Net Flix. My family and I watch One thing on Hulu Plus and the only thing I use my Prime for is the two day shipping. I've gotten hundreds and hundreds of things. It already paid for itself over and over again. So, if I pay $9.99 and only read one book, every few months, it is completely fine with me. There are times when I could just sit and read all day, every day. So that helped me with that problem.

So, as it were, I am excited to try the Kindle thing. Only time will tell how good it is.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 5:06:33 PM PDT
R. Wilde says:
"They said they may read one book a month. So, the $9.99 was a waste."

One thing I was thinking, which I'm not sure how it would work, is... subscribe, and then at the end of the month make sure I had 10 books borrowed, and then cancel before the second month is charged. When I'm done with the 10 books, resubscribe and repeat.

I'm not sure how Amazon addresses this, assuming they think it's a problem (I'm sure they considered it). Do the books "expire" after a certain time if you don't have a current subscription? If you cancel and resubscribe too often do they remove that option from your account, like someone returning too many Kindle ebooks for refund?

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 5:10:00 PM PDT
Artist says:
If you only read one book every few months, why bother to subscribe to Kindle Unlimited? Just buy the book that you want to read. I doubt that you'd pay more for that one book if you purchased it.

If something doesn't meet your needs, why pay for it? Why pay a monthly fee for Netflix if you only watch one movie -- you could rent the movie elsewhere for less. Unless it's one of the Netflix exclusive series, of course.

I just don't understand all the posts about on this forum about KU, not just yours. I decided it wouldn't meet my needs based on the selection of books. I'm not subscribing. Simple.

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 5:20:44 PM PDT
Teri H says:
I'm wondering what the difference is between Prime and Kindle Unlimited? Looks like they have the same books, maybe more under prime. Either way you are only borrowing them, they don't stay in your library like purchased books do. And for now, not many of the major publishers are online with the kindle unlimited . . . not to say that they won't at some point join in . . . they probably will. But I wonder what the advantage for me would be in getting kindle unlimited? I read about a book, sometimes two a week and even at the lower price books, the 9.99 would be a big savings for someone like me. But then there is the fact that I would only be borrowing the books and sometimes I like to go back and read a book more than once.
We are trying to condense subscriptions and I'm not dropping prime because I order everything from amazon now lol. I just signed up for the free trial of Oyster . . . remains to be seen if that will be good but . . . I did find a huge series of books ive wanted to read on Oyster that are only for purchase on amazon . . hmmm.
I'm kindle die-hard LOVE my kindle!!!! Hate using an outside subscription service but . . . if it's a better deal . . . at least at this time. Am sure once kindle gets all the main publishers online with kindle unlimited then I would drop Oyster and switch over. Till then . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 6:19:04 PM PDT
Not sure if I am going to keep this service. For all the reasons this who've replied have said.

The reason for net flix is for the fact that I can watch when I choose. The movies on N.F. and H.P kind of suck. I found mho has great movies and shows and you pay when you watch. If Amazon did something different with the Kindle Unlimited, I think it would be better. Say they gave you a choice. Pay $9.99 a month OR pay, let us say, $6.49 a month, but all together and just pay for a year, instead of month to month. I am going to stop the thing. I just do not want to pay month to month for something that I will more than likely use a few times a year. But, as I said, I pay for net flix.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 7:12:33 PM PDT
R. Wilde says:
"I'm wondering what the difference is between Prime and Kindle Unlimited?"

My understanding:

Prime:
2 Day shipping upgrade on most items from Amazon
Streaming video library
Kindle First
KOLL (if you also have a Kindle), borrow 1 book/calendar month

Kindle Unlimited:
Borrow up to 10 books at a time

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 7:33:13 PM PDT
pugfan says:
One thing I was thinking, which I'm not sure how it would work, is... subscribe, and then at the end of the month make sure I had 10 books borrowed, and then cancel before the second month is charged. When I'm done with the 10 books, resubscribe and repeat.
If you read the details on kindle unlimited it is for first time customers. So that being said You couldn't repeat.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 7:35:36 PM PDT
Artist says:
I doubt that you'd be able to get more than one free trial per year. With Prime, you have to wait 13 months between free trials.

Amazon is not stupid.

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 7:53:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 18, 2014 8:01:16 PM PDT
cyber-heel says:
I see the Kindle Unlimited program as just another marketing program by Amazon to try to corner more readers in what will eventually become a very competitive market for eyeballs and content providers. The data on how they read and use Kindles intimately is also a built-in cost for the e-reader in terms of lost privacy which some may or may not want to pay. It will also IMHO become an even more competitive market for authors, the content providers. This market offering may initially fool many electronic readers into thinking it's a great deal (like Amazon Prime tried as well at its beginning) but if the reports of total delivered price price tiering and gouging between different e-readers, content types, shipping and between offerings are true, the Amazon merchant princes are already gaming their customer base at the point of sale with branding and marketing segmentation techniques to optimizing their profits no matter which program readers choose. It's up to the reader (read: "caveat empore") to understand and accept ones reading habits and other purchase objectives and habits in order to maximize the value they get out of Amazon products and not get took. Amazon is very clever in its pricing and its marketing, and as a few have aptly pointed out the unlimited e-reader pricing may not be attractive at all to some just as in the case of the Amazon Prime offering. This program may actually have been created from the data they have gathered from Kindle usage! For other readers, the well known privacy issues of Kindle may even keep them out of these offerings altogether. Authors, who now see their efforts being commoditized by this one big channel, are already choosing wotherchannel to send their content exclusively out to e-readers and have even started the product availability decay timing game where one channel gets the exclusive and the others have to wait until the exclusivity runs its course. In its simplicity, as an author I'd rather get 100 readers at 10-20 dollars a pop than get paid for a thousand readers at 50 cents a digital copy unless I'm seeking the publicity to eventually create a brand that can then be exclusive in the next offering. Authors, like luxury consumer product firms are seeing the value of exclusivity and timing to maximize their profits. Time and the market will eventually decide who are the winner channels for which types of content and which are the best techniques for providers and delivery channels to deliver their content. I see Kindle Unlimited as just one of many offerings which will be the answer for certain communities of readers.

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 8:01:37 PM PDT
Charlie Fox says:
your wall of words might say something important, but it hurts to try to read it.

paragraph or line breaks might be nice

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:02:36 PM PDT
Artist says:
Paragraphs.

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 8:07:38 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 18, 2014 8:12:23 PM PDT
cyber-heel says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:16:51 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 18, 2014 8:19:03 PM PDT
R. Wilde says:
"I doubt that you'd be able to get more than one free trial per year."

Oh, I know that. An example of what I meant:

Say I've already used the free trial, and I average 4 books a month.

1. I sign up in January, pay my $10, and get through 4 books. I then "borrow" 10 more, and cancel my subscription.
2. Those books last me through mid-April, when I sign up again. By mid-May, I've read 4 more books, and borrow 10 more.
3. These books last me through the end of July. I sign up again in August, read my 4, and cancel after reading 4 and borrowing 10. Etc.

So, at 4 books a month, a $10 monthly subscription will actually last me 3 1/2 months before I need to pay another $10... 1 month while the subscription is active, and 2 1/2 more while it's lapsed. Instead of spending $120 for the year, I spend $40 for 13 months' worth of books.

Does that make more sense?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:17:55 PM PDT
 nospin  says:
Once you cancel your subscription, the KU books go poof.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:20:02 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 18, 2014 8:21:37 PM PDT
R. Wilde says:
Okay.

Then in the immortal words of Emily Littela, "never mind."

I could still see using it for individual months where I have the opportunity to get more reading done, then cancelling when I'm back to normal schedule.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:22:34 PM PDT
I suspect they would stay on the Kindle if you didn't turn wireless on. The Kindle would have to sync to the Amazon servers to know that you had cancelled your subscription.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:25:07 PM PDT
 nospin  says:
There is that and while I could see it for a couple weeks on a basic kindle, it generally doesn't seem practical.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:52:30 PM PDT
Artist says:
Unless they've figured out a way to make it unavailable after the rental period, as they've done with videos. Downloaded videos will expire whether or not you connect to Wi-Fi. I had downloaded 5 episodes of a TV show to my Fire, hadn't had time to watch them yet, and they went poof when I clicked on them after they were eliminated from the Prime free offerings.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 8:59:16 PM PDT
But there is no due date, no rental period.

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 9:57:21 PM PDT
The big question that I have is this: Can I save and access borrowed books on my android device without a WiFi signal?

Posted on Jul 18, 2014 10:02:26 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 10:19:23 PM PDT
KessaJo says:
You obviously do not read the TOS or anything on Amazon about these things.

It clearly says whether it will work on other devices or not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 11:16:42 PM PDT
TOS is as clear as mud on my main question: Namely, can I access a borrowed book without a WiFi signal? I have Kindle for Android, but my device is WiFi only. If I've borrowed a book, do I need signal to access it?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 11:16:59 PM PDT
DdS says:
I am finding Overdrive to be a good resource.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 18, 2014 11:30:18 PM PDT
King Al says:
If you have already downloaded the book, you do not need wi-fi. If you have borrowed it, but for some reason have not downloaded it, you do need wi-fi. (I'm not sure if you can transfer KU books via USB cable.)
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