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Initial post: Aug 20, 2013 9:29:54 AM PDT
Diane Shaner says:
Has there been any buzz about another New Kindle coming out? I like the Whispersync for voice feature but I only have the Original Kindle Fire and don't want to buy another Kindle (I would have 3 if I did) until I know for sure that they don't have a new Kindle ready to release.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 9:34:45 AM PDT
No one here knows. Amazon has made no announcements -yet. However, based on history, it is likely we will see an announcement within the next month or 6 weeks if, in fact, there will be new models this year. Just be a bit patient..............

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 20, 2013 3:14:24 PM PDT
Diane Shaner says:
I have the DX & the original Fire when the came out with the HD Fire I could have cried. I love both my Kindles and can't wait to see what they do next

Posted on Aug 20, 2013 3:34:28 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 20, 2013 3:39:27 PM PDT
Diane, while no one can say for sure until an official announcement comes out, one of the developers accidentally set some wrong settings in GFXBench which resulted in both the 7" and 8.9" version of the new Kindle devices, code names Thor and Apollo, appearing for about a day and a half on the GFXBench public benchmark listing.

According to those benchmark results, there will be a new device likely announced soon with an Amazon kindle operating system based on Android 4.2.2.

The 7" device will feature a full HD 1920x1200 screen, 2GB RAM, powered by the surprisingly powerful choice of a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 chipset.

The 8.9" device will feature a WQXGA resolution of 2560x1600, making it one of the highest resolution devices in the market right now - higher even than the full size latest iPad. Like the 7" device, the tablet will be running on a Snapdragon 800 (which again is one of the strongest chips out there right now, neck and neck with an S4 Pro and the Tegra 4, which are its main competitors). Complementing the chip will be the same election of 2GB of RAM.

The benchmarks run on the devices indicate that from a graphics standpoint, they excel at putting media to third party devices and also at fill rates which are important for games running on a high resolution screen (for example the screen of the 8.9" device). The devices' benchmark results lagged slightly for processing based elements of the benchmark but it is important to remember that the Snapdragon 800 does not have the same high-thermal performance as the Tegra 4 (which was bad enough to require a fan in the Nvidia shield), and also that the benchmarks were run on test hardware, probably that was not yet fully optimized, on a build that had debug elements turned on according to the android identity dump. Debug symbols, etc, usually slow performance depending on what is on or off.

Pretty much anything else that you see on the devices right now is speculation. Some informed observations I would make:

- the last two years, new device announcements have come out in September. Last year was early september, the year before was late september.
- BGR has an industry insider who was proved exactly correct on the specifications that has said the new kindle uses a narrower bezel on both devices, is lighter, and uses a more angled "chiseled" look without such strong rounded taper on the rear of the unit.
- As confirming evidence, price breaks and major silk updates have released within weeks of past years' press conference invites for new model announcements.

Pretty much everything else, we are waiting on the invites to go out to the press conference, and the live blogs guaranteed to follow! For what it is worth, I am holding off on a tablet replacement as well because i want one of the new 8.9" devices.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 6:31:08 AM PDT
Beth Sexton says:
Diane, here are some links to articles about the new kindle.

http://www.ibtimes.com/amazon-will-release-new-kindle-fire-hd-tablets-more-powerful-google-nexus-7-leaked-benchmarks-show

http://thediplomat.com/tech-biz/2013/08/19/7-inch-android-tablets-new-nexus-7-vs-kindle-fire-hd-2/

http://bgr.com/2013/08/09/amazon-kindle-fire-3-specs-exclusive/

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57596763-251/why-you-should-wait-for-the-new-kindle-fire-hd/

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mobile-computing/tablets/new-kindle-fire-release-date-news-and-rumours-1032421

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/kindle-fire-2013-features/

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 7:00:01 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 23, 2013 6:51:07 AM PDT
Bufo Calvin says:
Just to pin that down a bit...

2012: Thursday, September 6
2011: Wednesday, September 28

That's why I'm figuring by the end of September. They didn't used to always do September, but remember, we don't have a lot of data points yet.

2010: Wednesday, July 28 (Kindle 3s)
2009: Wednesday, May 6 (Kindle DX)
2009: Monday, February 9 (Kindle 2s)
2007: Monday, November 19 (Kindle 1)

I haven't listed international models and such above.

Update: thanks to flipoid for catching an error above...I had listed the K2 international date, rather than the original K2 date.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 7:18:59 AM PDT
R. D. Clark says:
Sounds exactly like a Nexus 7, hardware-wise. Same resolution, same RAM, same processor. Which is what you'd expect, the competition in the tablet market right now being what it is.Amazon will probably undercut Google's pricing.

Meanwhile, I'm becoming more and more convinced that if there is anything new on the e-ink front at all (and I won't be surprised is there isn't), it will be underwhelming, more of a placeholder for something that's not quite ready yet (color, or a larger/higher-rez PW, etc.) perhaps in the spring.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 11:58:20 AM PDT
Diane Shaner says:
Thank you Beth,

I will have to check ebay to see what the first gen Kindle Fire's are selling for used. Since I have the DX I really shouldn't keep my Fire if I plan on getting the 2nd Gen HD Fire. But then again maybe Kindles are like jewelry, you can never have to many

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 2:53:28 PM PDT
Beth Sexton says:
Diane, I have 9 Kindles so I say keep them all.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 3:50:23 PM PDT
Rumors from allegedly "in the know" sources say that 3 new Fires will come out in either September, or October. Amazon does not confirm, or deny, the rumors, so your guess is as good as ours. What do YOU say will happen?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 4:07:45 PM PDT
~nospin says:
I think Amz will add to the Paperwhite line this year. I expect one will be released with audio capabilities.

Posted on Aug 21, 2013 5:47:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 21, 2013 5:48:27 PM PDT
Alexmom says:
Maybe a new Kindle "Fire" would have the ability to .... create collections?
Especially because .... I just bought the HD version. (ack)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 5:50:38 PM PDT
Diane Shaner says:
Wow 9 you are my idol!! Do you use them all? my Kindles ar like my books, I can't get rid of them

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 5:53:05 PM PDT
Diane Shaner says:
Boy I would love to be able to crea te collections instead of th e bookcase. that's a great idea

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 6:28:23 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 21, 2013 6:31:53 PM PDT
R.D.

Actually while the memory is the same, the processor at the heart of the device is a step up over the Nexus 7 in some respects. The Nexus 7 has the Snapdragon 600 that is upgraded slightly and marketed as the "S4 Pro". Strictly on the basis of computational performance, it has a stronger offering on paper than the Snapdragon 800 showing up in the benchmarks run so far.

The new 800 based chipset however has not got a lot of time in the wild yet. Early indications in some of the early release models making the benchmark rounds on GFXBench and Antutu are showing strengths in graphical fill rates via the Adreno 330 GPU that the chipset is mated to. Also, the Snapdragon 800 is rumored to have better low power performance and power efficiency due to being mated to an upgraded low power media processor to handle common tasks like low-intensity reading, basic video playback, and audio playback.

So you end up being "neck and neck" in terms of real world performance for how most of us are going to use these tablets. Even if they arent *exactly* the same under the hood.

[Its worth noting that the upgraded screen on the 8.9 offers an interesting combination relative to the Nexus 7, and also that there are a lot of people who will find the general open-ness and google ecosystem compelling to the Nexus 7. I am not saying one is better than the other, but rather that they both have thier strengths for people who will better use one than the other.]

Your point about pricing is a great one. Amazon has never made a secret of the tablet being a portable storefront with a great experience (in Jeff Bezos opinion). Because of that, Amazon is able to count on revenue, report on it, and use multiple years of kindle linked demographics to make a firm projection of the subsidy that they can afford to accept to still turn a profit after losing money on the device sale itself. Google obviously makes money from the app store, and the media sales through Google Play but thier experience is shallower and while neither party explicitly publishes revenue per user type statistics, I would posit that the revenue per user for the Kindle is probably more clearly defined and multi-channel for Amazon. The robust nature of the revenue per user probably allows Amazon to be more aggressive in subsidzing the initial device sale.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2013 6:49:12 PM PDT
Beth Sexton says:
Diane, I actually prefer the earlier Kindles.

I have a K1 (used every day), a K2 (my purse Kindle because I think it is the most solid), and a DX and a DXG that I use for PDFs and Maps.

I liked my K3 because of the audio and physical keyboard and page turn buttons so when it looked like Amazon was going to touch screens with no audio I bought 2 more for back-up (these are the ones I loan out).

When the little Basic K4S was released I started doing most of my reading on it and when the K4B was released I got one of those to serve as a backup.

I bought a Touch but the screen was so erratic that I spent more time trying to find the next page than I did reading so I don't use it.

I bought the First Fire, but it ran out of space the first day before I put anything on it. Downloading the icons for my books and mp3s used up all the available app space. I could find no way to kill those apps so I could use it for other things so I don't use it either.

Posted on Aug 22, 2013 6:18:18 AM PDT
Diane Shaner says:
I was a strictly book reader until 2010 when I got my DX, I just fell in love with the size and the fact that it felt like I was holding
a real book. In 2011 we went on vacation to Santa Fe, NM and I kept seeing the ads for the Fire, I decided "I gotta get one of those" but since it was Christmas I couldn't find one. I got home and went straight to Best Buy, didn't want to wait any longer and had not thought of ordering the Fire from Amazon while I was still on Vaca. It would have been waiting for me and I could have started reading and playing 5 minutes after unloading the car.

My boyfriend thinks I am nuts for wanting another Kindle but then he is not that much into reading anymore. He is now retired and more into working outside, and talking about working part time (notice I said talking about - not actually doing). It is a shame that downloading movies use up so much of my data plan with Verizon because I would have more movies than the 6 that I now have. I wonder if that would be something that Amazon could work into a Kindle - a way to do things that don't eat up all your data time. Verizon says I have an unlimited data plan but only until I use up 4GB then I have to pay extra or up my plan either way it gets expensive.

I only had 1 major problem with my Fire that required 3 weeks of tech support to get me back up and running. My Fire would turn on but when I would open a book (or anything else) it would turn back off. They tried deactivating Sophie (yep my Kindles have names) 4 times and nothing worked, finally someone did something on the Amazon site that got things working right and I have been happy ever since.

Posted on Aug 22, 2013 6:30:26 AM PDT
~nospin says:
Lots of Fires offerred in Gold Box today.

Posted on Aug 22, 2013 6:55:57 AM PDT
Laura B says:
Talk of a new Fire coming out is the only reason I have been able to keep myself from ordering one from the Gold Box today:) I already have an original, a HD, and a 8.9 - but that wont stop me from ordering a new one and passing my HD to my daughter!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 22, 2013 7:26:17 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 22, 2013 7:28:16 AM PDT
Laura, I am in the exact same boat! I like the old Kindle Fire HD. I even have a pile of giftcard money sitting in my account waiting to buy a tablet!

But I know a month from now, the release press conference for the new tablets would have come and gone, and then I will be annoyed with myself. I saved whatever money, sure, but now I don't have the nice one with the fast processor and really nice 8.9 inch screen!

I think its pretty nice that Amazon has a refurbished unit sale so people who want to get in at as low a price as they possibly can, can get older units with the same warranty as a brand new never-owned tablet! Thats pretty rare in the industry.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 22, 2013 7:31:45 AM PDT
Laura B says:
Yes, I am really having a hard time NOT grabbing one today - I know I will want a new one when they come out.

Posted on Aug 22, 2013 7:32:21 AM PDT
Incidentally I searched for kindle gold box august 2012. Before the last wave of product release announcements, they sold off the Kindle DX and other refurbished inventory August 10 :)

By that standard, we should expect the tablet release press conference roughly mid-september.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 22, 2013 8:44:11 AM PDT
~nospin says:
Well, I sold my original but aside from that - me too!

I plan on getting a new 8.9 and using the old/current 8.9 for cookbooks and kitchen music/video.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 22, 2013 9:07:47 AM PDT
~nospin says:
One thing to note for others following thread is that pre-orders are accepted after press conference with actual delivery usually Nov. 15th or shortly thereafter.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 22, 2013 10:06:47 AM PDT
monilee says:
Thanks for the reminder,will need to figure taxes into the immediate cost as laws change 11/1 here. I wonder if the new 4G model will be locked to AT&T coverage?
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