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Initial post: Nov 23, 2013 11:37:01 AM PST
I updated my kindle paperwhite with the 5.4.2. I now have every collection from all of my other kindles on my paperwhite. If I try and delete the collection from the paperwhite it says it will erase the collection from all kindles. I have different kindles for different genres. Now they are all on the paperwhite cluttering up my home screen. Please tell me I can change this somehow.

Posted on Nov 23, 2013 12:11:40 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 23, 2013 12:12:16 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 12:25:21 PM PST
Susan, the way the new update handles collections is terrible. Think about it...I have collections on my Paperwhite, and my husband has his collections set up on his Paperwhite. Why would I want his on mine? I have collections set up on my older DXG that were set up 2 years ago. I left them, because I refer to them when I'm looking for something to read. But I don't want those 12 collections on my Paperwhite, where I use 5-6 collections. Between my husband and myself, and our various Kindles, and the one my mom has, we have probably 45 collections. I sure don't want all 45 showing up on the new Paperwhites.

It is a terrible update, and believe me, it's being discussed by the Pros. I am not going to turn on our WiFi on either of our Paperwhites because there is no way we want the update.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 12:31:01 PM PST
Yes, it sounds hideous. I'm glad I didn't get a PW2 now. I love the way the new Fires handle Collections, but the way the PWs do it is wrong on so many levels.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 12:55:11 PM PST
And it is ridiculous to have to not use WiFi. The update should be pulled until they can sort this out.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 2:18:04 PM PST
Yes, I think they should pull this update to. Fix it so we can at least chose which collections we want on the kindles. I don't know what they were thinking. Sorry for ranting I just am so aggravated.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 2:22:21 PM PST
Stacy, please please send your thoughts to kindle-feedback@ http://amazon.com.

They need to hear from actual users just how awful this update is.

Posted on Nov 23, 2013 2:32:32 PM PST
Debi says:
The kindle/apple update was the same way. I got every collection I ever made. LOL remember when we were all try to put dashes, dots, etc when collections were first available? One kindle was being used as a cookbook so I had all those also. It took me forever to delete them all as I don't even use collections on my iPad.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 2:40:34 PM PST
M. Ratcheson says:
My collections on my Paperwhite 2, are identical to those on my HDX. I had the HDX update installed before I received my PW 2, and spent time on the HDX cleaning up its collections. When I received my PW, I immediately installed the 5.4.2 update, and the same book collections from my HDX eventually appeared on my PW. None of the collections I had deleted from the HDX were on my PW. And none of the collections I deleted from my HDX are missing from my KK or Kindle basic.

Changes I make to a collection on my PW show up on my HDX, and vice versa. And these same collections are also propagated to my iPhone app, but no where else.

It is just my opinion, but I really like the new cloud collections, I think the implementation is quite good. I don't think the roll out was handled very well, it is difficult to determine what is actually happening.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 2:47:49 PM PST
CBRetriever says:
I think the problems occur when multiple users and multiple kindles are registered to the same account - I have pretty much the same collections on all my family's kindles, so I'd be OK

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 2:56:57 PM PST
M. Ratcheson says:
Is the implementation very different on the iPad than the iPhone? On my iPhone, I normally have my view set to all items. If I choose to see only items on the device, then, that's what I see. To even see collections, I need to pull open the menu and select the last menu item, Collections.

Before the HDX update that introduced cloud collections, I simply ignored collections on the iPhone, it was easier than going through the steps to see them. Once I had collections cleaned up on the HDX, it is the cleaned up collections that show up on the iPhone when I look for them (though given the handful of books I carry around on my phone, it isn't likely I'll look for them very often).

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 3:02:24 PM PST
M. Ratcheson says:
Well it won't impact the collections on the older devices, unless Amazon decides to roll out cloud collections to them with a software update, of course.

It would be good, I think, given all the complaints, for Amazon to give the user a choice of using either cloud collections or device centered collections.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2013 3:10:10 PM PST
saraf says:
Yep that's where the problems are...my hubby, daughter and I all have different interests and different collections, not to mention collections on old devices we rarely use (I'm not even sure where my K3 and K Touch are, let alone needing their collections showing up on my PW2!) I'm keeping wireless off until they fix this...at least on the iPad I can just ignore collections. The way it sounds on the Paperwhite 2 they are in the way and you can't get rid of them.

Posted on Nov 23, 2013 8:53:45 PM PST
M. Ratcheson says:
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Posted on Nov 24, 2013 5:48:27 AM PST
I have over 8,000 books on my account. (lets not start on how many books I have this thread is not about that.) I love collections, when I can choose which books and collections I have on my Kindles. I had my books arranged specifically, certain ones on each of my different Kindles. The only one that I didn't have collections on was my Fire. Now I have all the collections for each of the Kindles all on my Paperwhite. The Kindles can not handle all the collections, there are too many. That is why I had them all separated. If you put to many collections and books on the Kindles they start slowing down. I will send feedback, but I believe it won't do any good. I hope I explained my problem so everyone can understand. We need to be able to choose which collections that are put on.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 6:10:20 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 24, 2013 6:11:43 AM PST
Are you serious? My son has his collections set up with things like, "Pirates, Adventures", "Animals", Weird stuff", "Magic & Fantasy", "joke books"... I don't want that on my PW!

My KKs have collections *specific* to themselves and how I use them. I don't think I've connected the PW since this update rolled out; sounds like I don't want to!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 6:16:54 AM PST
Amazon cannot have thought that for every Kindle, there'd be a separate email/account, otherwise they wouldn't allow multiple devices on each account. They have to KNOW that an account with numerous devices is likely (although not guaranteed) to have more than one user.

So why on earth would they think that my newly added device would want EVERY collection ever made on our multiple devices? It's just craziness!

Posted on Nov 24, 2013 7:23:52 AM PST
TuxGirl says:
So, I think I see what m ratcheson did differently from some of the rest of us. M ratcheson fixed the collections on the fire hdx before getting them on the pw2. On the fire hdx, it does not say on the device or the help files that deleting the collections there will delete them on all devices. I did the same, and it appears to have preserved my collections on my pw1. However, I have spoken with others who said that removing from the pw2 (rather than the hdx) *did* remove the collections from other devices on the account.

My issue with the update is similar but different. I want all my books in collections. I *love* the way the collections are being handled on the fire hdx. However, on the pw2, my collections and the books in them are all showing in the "on device" tab, even though they are not on the device. So, even though none of my adventure books are on the device, my paperwhite, while set to "on device", shows "Adventure 8 items". If I go into that collection, I see all 8 items grayed out. That seems like less of an issue, but what about a collection with 150 items, where I have 1 downloaded? What if I just want to look and see what I have downloaded on my device? I can't find an easy way to get a list of all books currently on the device.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 8:01:29 AM PST
Dragi Raos says:
"Well it won't impact the collections on the older devices, unless Amazon decides to roll out cloud collections to them with a software update, of course."

Yes, but collections on older devices, *all of them*, seem to be showing on new ones.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 8:11:14 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 24, 2013 8:15:34 AM PST
M. Ratcheson says:
Well, for me at least, it only happened once, with the *first device device on my account that supports cloud collections. Once I deleted and merged and otherwise cleaned up the collections on that device (my HDX), only the cleaned up cloud collections appeared on my next device that supports cloud collections, my PW2. I never saw any of the old, messy collections from my Kindle Keyboard or Kindle Basic on my PW2.

Posted on Nov 24, 2013 8:20:17 AM PST
Dragi Raos says:
Let me just add that Amazon failed to do two things many users *did* want, instead deciding to break the established usage pattern of collections which users developed around the way they functioned for years:

- MYK (or YML) page still does not support collections

- It is still not possible to see, at a glance, *all* collections a book belongs to. So, if I look in, say, any genre collection, I don't see which books have been read, or which are novels, story collections or individual short works. Note that this is not the same as hierarchical collections (it is better, although not mutually exclusive).

The best approach would probably be having centrally stored named sets of collections. A particular device would select one set (several devices could use the same set), both for Cloud and Device view. Device view would show only downloaded books, Cloud view all, with downloaded clearly marked (like on Fires - better yet, three views like on K4PC). MYK and/or YML page could be used to maintain those sets in a more comfortable way than on a device.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 8:21:50 AM PST
Dragi Raos says:
"I never saw any of the old, messy collections from my Kindle Keyboard or Kindle Basic on my PW2."

Interesting - other people did.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 8:23:31 AM PST
M. Ratcheson says:
Apparently I lead a blessed life.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 8:24:11 AM PST
TuxGirl says:
Dragi:
Those people didn't remove the old messy collections from the hdx before getting collections on the paperwhite. I also didn't get the messy collections on the paperwhite, since I had already cleaned them up from the fire.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 24, 2013 8:24:47 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
I was hoping for the Collections on Manage Your Kindle that would be visible via the Cloud
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