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Initial post: Aug 15, 2014 2:10:16 PM PDT
The Ruling Elite: Death, Destruction, and Domination

I've been dismayed and outraged to discover the huge quantity of viciously anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi titles for sale on Amazon. Sure, there are "free speech" issues involved, but there are limits! I haven't seen any similarly racist titles directed against African-Americans--thank goodness--on Amazon, though maybe that's because I haven't looked hard enough. What's next, Amazon, KKK organizing pamphlets? In many European countries, especially in Germany, the distribution and sale of such vile literature is illegal, and with good reason. It's possible, of course, that Amazon, with its practically limitless data banks, doesn't even bother to scan what it advertises and sells, but I find that hard to believe. Amazon, for example, will not sell items directly intended for use with marijuana, a far, far less toxic (NOT toxic, in fact) commodity than Nazism. Nor have I seen any snuff videos for sale-- a pretty good analogy here, given the murderous content of books like these. Amazon ought at least to issue a warning and a disclaimer if it intends to go on selling books like Deanna Spingola's THE RULING ELITE (see above link). Am I the only one to have noticed, and been horrified and disgusted, by this practice?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 15, 2014 2:14:12 PM PDT
Miss Carol says:
Do you think you're expressing your outrage to Amazon? You're not, in case that's your opinion. You're expressing it on a customer discussion forum that is rarely moderated. If you would like Amazon to notice your complaint, you'll have to write this out to kindle-feedback@amazon.com instead.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 15, 2014 2:14:18 PM PDT
Have you enjoyed this great song (facetious --- I do not think this song is great) The Midnight Nambla. There are few others on Ammy regarding this disgusting organization/sect of deviants.

Posted on Aug 15, 2014 2:14:38 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 15, 2014 2:14:58 PM PDT
JoshuaJohn says:
Have you been to any motar and brick stores lately or B&N for Nook titles. I guess we can go backwards and just burn subject matter we find offensive. CONTACT the publishers.
Drive through.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 15, 2014 2:17:17 PM PDT
Artist says:
Intelligent people should not be advocating for censorship, regardless of the subject matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 15, 2014 2:22:32 PM PDT
I suppose the old saying, "Know thy enemy," comes into play here. Would it not be helpful to understand the thinking behind that which you find abhorrent?

Posted on Aug 15, 2014 2:44:00 PM PDT
Didn't the Nazis practice censorship and burn books of which they did not approve?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 15, 2014 2:46:36 PM PDT
Dittie says:
You don't really expect Amazon to turn down its thirty (or whatever) percent, do you?

I'm neither defending the book, the author, the publisher, nor the seller, but where does Amazon draw the line before it's considered to be censorship? This is just a whole other facet to the issue of self-publishing. Amazon could refuse to publish anything it doesn't want to make available, but this isn't published my Amazon. Were this a big six trad-pub and Amazon simply the retailer, it could choose not to buy, and subsequently, resell this, but that's not the case here, either. Were Amazon to start charging for the uploading of every self-published literary *masterpiece*, there would be less crap and what Amazon lost in its cut of sales would possibly, probably, be accounted for in upload fees.

"Nor have I seen any snuff videos for sale-- a pretty good analogy here, given the murderous content of books like these."

Snuff films by definition are real, and therefore, illegal. Amazon is no more going to knowingly cross that line than it is to censor every book and e-book by which someone is or may be offended.

Posted on Aug 16, 2014 12:57:20 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 16, 2014 12:59:14 AM PDT
I read Mein Kampf when I was 8 years old. It did not turn me into an anti-semite, or a NAZI. At the age of 9, I read half a dozen books about Jack The Ripper. I did not end up a serial killer.

First you offer a link to a book you feel should be banned. Then you rant about why it should be banned. Then you point out the earlier link to it...hoping people will go examine the book you don't want them to see / read? How oxymoronic of you. For a "Prof.", you aint any too bright, Neil. Are you Schizoid, or just Bi-Polar, or what?

There was a famous person who once made a comment to the effect that they who begin by burning books will end by burning people. The NAZIS themselves proved the truth of that prediction. Look up the quote, see who said it, and learn something for a change. I could provide you with more of a reference, but I think you need to develop some Research Skills...so I will leave you to dig it up on your own. By trying to ban books, YOU are being more a NAZI than anyone else here. You are supporting the NAZI practice of censorship, and book burning. And you try to do so in the name of anti-NAZI-ism? What is next? Are you going to start demanding racial purity laws which forbid the marriage of Aryans with non-Aryans...as a way of promoting racial integration, and universal brotherhood?

Try to be a bit more consistent.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 1:23:12 AM PDT
Sue says:
This is only bad if a person reads it to learn how to be this way. I read books on WWII to find out what really happened. All the countries did some bad things and people have a right to know what went on.

If you do not like the book, then do not buy it. Do not look at it. Don't even try to find more like it. Let the people (like myself) read them and find out more about the reason behind the war and what went one.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 6:14:02 AM PDT
flipoid says:
Amazon cannot vet the content of the books that are on the website. Amazon is a retailer, not a censorship bureau.

Snuff films are illegal, so Amazon cannot sell those. I remember a while back that someone uploaded a book for sale that, in some way (I forget all the details) involved child pornography--as soon as Amazon was made aware of that content (I think this also happened before the "Look Inside" feature was available for ebooks), the book was removed.

As for your marijuana example, my guess is that because the use of marijuana is only legal for medical purposes in some states, not all 50, Amazon cannot legally sell marijuana-related products. Again, that is just a guess.

Is the book you linked simply a history of Naziism? Or is it instructions on how to become a Nazi?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 6:54:03 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 16, 2014 6:54:18 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
umm they do sell marijuana stuff

http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Accessory-Organizer-Includes-following/dp/B00JFG68I8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1408196879&sr=8-2&keywords=roach+clip

Blue Q Medical Marijuana Cigar Box
Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible
http://www.amazon.com/Organic-CBD-Hemp-Tea-10g/dp/B00H3E6R1M/ref=sr_1_40?ie=UTF8&qid=1408197033&sr=8-40&keywords=marijuana (hemp = marijuana last I heard)
High Times

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 7:15:24 AM PDT
flipoid says:
I didn't look. I was going by the statement in the OP:

"Amazon, for example, will not sell items directly intended for use with marijuana ..."

Posted on Aug 16, 2014 7:51:45 AM PDT
lucy minnow says:
Unfortunately, the first amendment allows this to happen. People in America are allowed their varying views no matter how offensive to another group.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 7:59:42 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
which is all to the good in some cases as it allows the people to oppose an authoritarian government should one (heaven forbid) come to power in the US and attempt to stamp out all dissent or all non-christian religions (heaven forbid again)

unfortunately you have to take the chaff with the wheat if you're going to allow free speech (something my ancestors fought for during the American Revolution) - censorship of any kind is a slippery slope and could lead to something like what's going on in China, Iraq, North Korea and Russia (recently and in the past)

Posted on Aug 16, 2014 8:47:15 AM PDT
TuxGirl says:
Those who do not learn history are bound to repeat it. I've read a wide variety of things I disagree with, either for historical context, or to understand what other people believe, or in some cases, because it was required by school. I may not have enjoyed or agreed with some of the things I've read, but I do appreciate their existence and the things I've learned from them.

Posted on Aug 16, 2014 8:52:02 AM PDT
TuxGirl says:
as a side note, thank you for linking the book... it looks like a pretty interesting perspective on the world wars. I've read a good number of books on WWII, and this one sounds interesting.

and no, I'm not anti-semitic. I do find a variety of perspectives on things to be interesting, and I'm pretty interested in reading information about the world wars.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 8:55:26 AM PDT
Debi says:
So why are you buying them? Just so you can give them bad reviews?

You'll never wipe out hatred that way, best to just ignore it. That's what I do. I won't even buy a book if it has a swastika or ss symbol on the cover. LOL, my German ancestors would probably be crushed.

Posted on Aug 16, 2014 10:35:01 AM PDT
The best way to fight Evil is to know what Evil is saying, and doing, and planning. The easiest way to do that is to read what Evil publishes. Had Weimar Republic officials read Mein Kampf, and taken it a bit more seriously, they would have been better prepared to oppose Hitler, and his NAZIS. That may have changed election outcomes, and even prevented WW2. We see what their NOT reading Hitler's writings gave us....NAZIISM, World war Two, The Final Solution, Auschwitz, etc. It is better to allow people to publish, and read, what they wish. That will help inform those who need to be aware of what Evil is up to.

Posted on Aug 16, 2014 12:30:17 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 12:32:53 PM PDT
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Just Peachy says:
That book has a synopsis and it has reviews. Have you left a review for it ?

ETA: Do you think B&M stores would have a warning on these books?
Also, an 8th grader is normally under 18 years old and should not be Amazon without parent's permission.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 12:49:17 PM PDT
Dittie says:
Wow, the judge of snide and first amendment rights has spoken.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 1:01:37 PM PDT
That particular book was some sort of guide on how to groom children to reduce their resistance to a pedophile's advances. When Amazon removed it, there was outrage from anti-censorship blogs and writers about it.

And btw, for the OP, Amazon sells all sorts of marijuana paraphernalia.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 1:02:35 PM PDT
They truly have an astounding array of related products.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 16, 2014 1:06:17 PM PDT
Why should Amazon provide warnings that a book may be objectionable to some people. Probably every book ever written has some content which is objectionable to one group or another.
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