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Can an older Kindle be used at hot spots w/o being associated with an internet account?

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Initial post: Nov 29, 2013 11:07:08 AM PST
I want to upgrade my Kindle, I think mine is a 3rd generation, black & white, no back light, ect... came out before Kindle fires. My 75 yo mother has mentioned she would like an e reader so she could down load books from the library and such. My question is would my old kindle work for her to do that? She does not have internet at home, so she would need to connect from hot spots only. I would want to unregister it from my account so I don't end up with all her books, but what else would I need to do?

Posted on Nov 29, 2013 11:11:09 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2013 11:13:20 AM PST
Bixillarla says:
Did you get the Wifi only model or the 3G model? If you got the 3G model and she lives in a area with AT&T cell service it will work fine for her without internet. If you purchased the WiFi only model then yes she can go to somewhere with a free hotspot and use to download books.

You would want to also do a factory reset in the settings to erase everything on it like it was purchased new.

Posted on Nov 29, 2013 11:19:07 AM PST
Bear in mind that even if you do have the 3G model she won't be able to download library books with the 3G, that will still have to be done via wifi or USB. For that matter, how will she be checking out library books?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2013 11:20:11 AM PST
Carbonbased says:
She would not need Internet but she would need an Amazon account to register it to.
It might help to know which device you have. Does it have a full physical keyboard? Does it have a touch screen?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 5:52:18 PM PST
I'm sorry I don't remember what model it is any more, but yes it does have a full keyboard at the bottom, and no it is not a touch screen. if I recall correctly it was like a 3rd generation, but it just says amazonkindle at the top. It did not come with a back light, I purchased a cover that it connects into with a retractable reading light on the corner.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 6:01:33 PM PST
I have to apologize for being so stupid about all this, but I did not even buy the old one I have, my kids bought it for me. I know I had to be connected to my internet, or wifi, to down load books at home, and if I was staying at a hotel I had to put in their password to connect and down load books there. I believe that would have been wifi I was connecting too, correct? With that in mind, I would assume she would go to the library and use their password to connect and down load books from there, but since I have never done this, I honestly do not know how it works.

Posted on Nov 30, 2013 6:05:38 PM PST
It sounds like it is a wi-fi only model, so yes, she would have to go to the library or other place with free wi-fi to download books. And to register, for that matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 6:06:07 PM PST
How can I tell if I have the wifi only model or the 3G model? Do I have to do a factory reset when I switch the registration or can I give it to her with the stuff I already have down loaded on it?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 6:15:59 PM PST
Carbonbased says:
Press the Menu key, navigate down to settings and select.
The bottom line on page 1 will say:
Network Capability: Wi-Fi and 3G
(If it has both)

What you've got is commonly referred to here as a kk, for Kindle Keyboard.

Posted on Nov 30, 2013 6:20:13 PM PST
so I am thinking, what I need to do is go to something like yahoo, create a free email account for her, then go to amazon and create an account for her there, then I need to transfer the registration of the kindle to her new amazon kindle account and off of my account, am I correct? and then does anyone know if a kindle works at most public libraries to download books, or does she need some other type of e reader? She lives in a different state than I do so it is not too easy for me to check with her local library.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 6:20:41 PM PST
B. Marks says:
If you simply deregister it that'll take it off your account and you can then create an account for her and register it to her account. All the books you currently have on board will remain there. If you do a factory reset it'll remove all your books.

If you give her your Wifi Kindle she will still need internet access to buy books. If she has a friend or neighbor or a nearby MacDonalds or Starbucks she can go there and use their internet access. This will let her by books from Amazon and get books from the library.

If you get her a 3G Kindle she can buy and download books from Amazon from her home but that won't help her with library books. The 3G Kindle also has Wifi so she can still go to places with Wifi access to download library books.

One thing I'd do is discuss this with her library to see what ideas they might have. They must encounter this sort of thing all the time and they might have solutions.


Posted on Nov 30, 2013 6:22:31 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2013 6:26:53 PM PST
Carbonbased says:
Personally, I would leave all the content on it, unless that includes 50 Shades. That way, she'll get some use out of it right away. The books will still work, but she won't be able to move them to Archive.

As for the library, it's been a while, but I think I needed an Overdrive account. If it's a large library, someone there might be able to help her. Some senior centers offer help with tech as well.

Posted on Nov 30, 2013 6:29:54 PM PST
ok, well at the moment I can't turn it on because the battery is empty, but based on what you said I do have a wifi only unit, because I know I had to be "connected" at home or a hotspot to download anything. but she can still drive so it shouldn't be a problem for her to go to a hotspot. Now I just have to find out if she can down load from her library from a kindle.

Thanks to everyone for being so helpful to this technologically challenged 53 yr old lady :)

Posted on Nov 30, 2013 6:31:58 PM PST does include 50 shades, but hey she might like to read it ;)

Posted on Nov 30, 2013 6:40:11 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2013 6:48:37 PM PST
luvshihtzu says:
You can give it to her with the books still on it and unregister your account. The books will stay unless you do a full factory defaults reset. She will have to register the device to herself.
To find out if the Kindle reader is only Wi-Fi or both the Wi-Fi and 3G, go to the home page, then Menu and then Settings. At the bottom of the Settings page it lists network capability for the device: My main Kindle Keyboard 3 is both Wi-Fi and 3G and I have one that is just Wi-Fi.

I think it would be very difficult to use a Kindle to get loaned ebooks from the library without using a computer. Our libraries here where I live, will not let you download books from their computers to your own devices. I think it would be easier for you to keep the Kindle reader registration in your name and she could request the loans and books from you.

To do what you want would be much easier with a Kindle Fire Wi-Fi unit where you can have the Overdrive app and use it to choose books and have them sent to the unit using your Wi-Fi hot spots. You can also do this with Overdrive audiobook loans. Your local libraries usually have classes to show people how to use Overdrive to download eBook and audiobook loans.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 6:52:55 PM PST
Carbonbased says:
Well, it's your mom, so you'd know best, but if it was mine and she didn't have or use a computer, I would give it to her still on my account. She's not going to go on a book buying binge without Wi-Fi and you could help her initially logging in to a few hotspots. When you see books you both would like, you can send to both devices and it will download when she comes in range.

Posted on Nov 30, 2013 7:27:15 PM PST
I live in Colorado, my mom lives in Illinois, I wouldn't have a problem keeping it registered to my account except I don't want to have all the books she will likely down load, also down loaded to my new devise, plus my neices and nephews have been known to down load things on her cell phone and such that cost money, and my mom is pretty much oblivious as to what they do, so I don't trust them not to get a hold of it and charge things to me or my mom. Requesting books from kindle or loans from the library thru me won't work either, since I would not be there or have a local library account, to get them for her.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 8:48:07 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 30, 2013 8:49:17 PM PST
Carbonbased says:
I think she's going to need some facetime with you to get up to speed. You could set up the Overdrive account on her library card. In Oregon, I logged into the statewide consortium that took care of the ebooks for all the participating libraries. It required a computer.

The problem with the urchins is another issue, but without 3g they'd need to haul it off somewhere. Unless they have long attention spans, they'll soon lose interest in something that won't play video games.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 8:59:12 PM PST
ouizee47 says:
That's odd, because my SIL has the older one (3 G model), and her daughter sends books to her all the time w/o being connected to the internet. I wish I could get both as i am limited to 5GB a month on my Verizon plan, so have to run to town to the library to d/l books or games either one. Rural area...nothing available here but EEEKKK dial up, satellite dish or Verizon's broadband (mifi/jetpack device). DSL is not even available lines are about 50 years old or so.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 10:26:49 PM PST
JJulieJ says:
Just a couple of points re keeping the Kindle attached to your account when you give it to your mom:

If she buys books from her Kindle they will download to that Kindle, not to your device. You will be able to see them in your archives though.

Emails from every book purchased will come to you, so you will be able to see if nieces and nephews have downloaded expensive or inappropriate books and, if necessary you can return those items for a full refund within 7 days.

Also you would be able to buy books for her, through your computer, and have them sent directly to her Kindle, then all she'd have to do is to connect to a WiFi hotspot to download them.

I can't help you with the library issue though.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 10:39:29 PM PST
Carbonbased says:
Ive been assuming the OP was looking at something in the Fire line for her upgrade, so new books would show on the carousel. Also, she could them access the web from it the same as from a computer, selecting the destination from the dropdown.

She can research the library from the web as well. Try 'Illinois Library Consortium' or the website of Mom's lobrary.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 10:50:49 PM PST
check your orders, do a search for kindle, that will tell you which model you have

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 30, 2013 10:51:11 PM PST
oh, ignore my previous post

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 1, 2013 5:49:45 AM PST
B. Marks says:
If she gets your Kindle and it stays on your account they won't show up on your Kindle. They will be in your archive but not on your device unless you choose to download them.

That won't help with the nephews or the library, of course.


Posted on Dec 4, 2013 12:23:17 AM PST
Thank you all so much for all your help and advise. I emailed my moms local library, and they were very nice and I think will be able to help her. They told me they were 99.9% sure that my old WiFi kindle will work to down load books from them, and they offered to help her get everything set up. I will be traveling threw IL on my way to FL right after Christmas, so I will give her my old kindle and a brief lesson on how to use it at that time. I have decided to take it off my account because it is just too easy to purchase things on my credit card. I will however not do a factory reset so she can have access to the books and games I already have on it (yes games are black and white, and old fashioned like solitaire and Sudoku and you have to use directional buttons to play them), that way she can start using it right away. I ordered the new Kindle HDX 7 ,for me, on Cyber Monday and got a good deal on it, so now I am committed to making this work for her. I don't think I will have time to go to the library with her, but I will have all the accounts set up for her with everything written down and hopefully the library can get her going from there.
Thanks again!
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