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Initial post: Nov 9, 2012 9:20:51 AM PST
Good Morning Amazon-Kindle Community,

One thing that kills me about the Kindle is that lack of page numbers. I love everything else about it; being able to review definitions, highlight passages all with convenience and all with one hand while I drink my coffee or spin my pencil.

The two reasons I think it needs to be overcome are 1) I like to see how fast I am reading and there is some sort of satisfaciton of making progress with each turn of the page (percentages on longer books don't change for multiple page turns) and 2) When I accidentally swipe the page and I jump to another chapter, I would like to be able to "go-to" a page number.

Sincerely,

LBM

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 9:24:03 AM PST
quilt lover says:
There ARE page numbers if the publisher includes them.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 9:26:18 AM PST
flipoid says:
What Kindle do you have? As quilt lover said, if the publisher includes the coding for page numbers, they're there. But the original Kindle and the K2 can't do page numbers, nor can some of the Kindle apps for various devices.

Posted on Nov 9, 2012 9:41:59 AM PST
Kf1 don't have page numbers. I would like page numbers as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 9:56:17 AM PST
B. Marks says:
Locations will give you the kind of instant gratifi ation you seem to be looking for.

Page numbers don't really make complete sense in Kindle books. The number of pages changes when you change the font size. Since every printing of a paper book has pages numbered differently they can't correspond to physical pages in paper books and there really aren't pages in Kindle books that mean much.

Amazon solved that problem with locations, which, as I call, represent 128 characters, including letters, numbers, spaces, line breaks and punctuation. This gives you a real idea of where you are in the book and it's both more precise than page numbers and it changes with each page turn.

Personally I like the percentage. I don't mind waiting a few pages for it to change.

This is all part of the transition from paper to digital books. We might as well learn to use it.

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 9:59:17 AM PST
King Al says:
"Page numbers don't really make complete sense in Kindle books. The number of pages changes when you change the font size. Since every printing of a paper book has pages numbered differently they can't correspond to physical pages in paper books and there really aren't pages in Kindle books that mean much."

Not true. Page numbers in Kindle books are tied to a particular paper copy, so the page number does not change with the font size.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 10:14:59 AM PST
B. Marks says:
Page numbers in a book are the number of times you turn the page to complete the book. They have nothing like that meaning in a Kindle. The number of page turns is determined by the font size.

And what about Kindle books that don't have paper versions?

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 10:17:44 AM PST
Find a kindle book that has page numbers on Amazon and you will find a statement like this: Contains real page numbers based on the print edition (ISBN 0385530803).

If there is no print version, then the book probably doesn't have page numbers.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 10:19:56 AM PST
King Al says:
People don't care about page numbers in the Kindle to track the number of times they turn the page -- many of them want Kindle page numbers to correspond to a paper version of the book.

Kindle books without paper versions do not have page numbers.

Posted on Nov 9, 2012 10:41:04 AM PST
Kevin Monroe says:
They longer I've used an e-reader, the less I've cared about page numbers. They're an anachronism.

Maybe locations will replace page numbers, but some method is needed in order to be able to refer other people to a particular passage in a book.

Whatever method is finally settled on, it will have to work for all e-readers. A Kindle user should be able to refer to a passage and have a Nook user find it.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 10:43:23 AM PST
Just Peachy says:
But that's not even true with paper books. If I have a different edition of the paper book than you, our page numbers will not likely match. This is why teachers will say "you must get THIS edition".

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 10:53:38 AM PST
flipoid says:
Kevin,
As Peachy Pat says, that's not even true of print books--hardcovers, trade paperbacks, mass market paperbacks of the same novel all have different page numbers. You could even have, for example, two hardcovers of the same book that were published by different companies and they'd have different page numbers.

That is what is so nice about the Kindle (not sure about the nook, since I've never used one)--you can search for a particular passage or group of words. The search function doesn't care about page numbers.

Posted on Nov 9, 2012 10:56:04 AM PST
B. Marks says:
I wonder if the time will come when Kindles become so popular that paper books will start putting both page numbers and locations in their books. :)

Barry

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 10:57:20 AM PST
M42 says:
No, it's a Kindle thing. My wife has the Kindle app on her iPad and we share books. My Fire will show locations and her Kindle app will show page numbers. Page numbers are nice. I had them on my Nook Color. Another thing the Nook had that I wish the Fire had was the ability to create shelves, name them and organize your books any way you like. The Nook is much nicer and more advanced in many ways, but Amazon has better book prices (except for the price fixing publishers) and I like Amazon's eco system. Plus the benefits of Prime. I say this because I'm sure somebody will ask why I don't go back to the Nook. I just think Amazon could learn a lot from its competitors. The improvements I've mentioned are not too much to ask for.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 11:00:07 AM PST
King Al says:
On the other hand, there is also tons of stuff that B&N can learn from Amazon.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 1:12:29 PM PST
Jazzy_Jeff says:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Page numbers correspond to a paper version. Depending on the font size you could be on the same page for multiple page changes on the Kindle.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2012 2:41:10 PM PST
B. Marks says:
If there are multiple paper versions, a common situation, it can only correspond to one.

Nothing I said indicated that page numbers change with every page. I even indicated that they don't in an earlier post when I compared them to page numbers, which do.

I have some idea what I'm talking about.

Barry

Posted on Nov 13, 2012 12:45:31 PM PST
John D. says:
Kindle page numbers (when present) correspond to the same pages in a particular edition of the printed book. Thus paging down doesn't generally advance you exactly one page. Their primary utility is synchronizing your reading with that of someone using the printed edition, such as in a classroom or a reading club.

Some have wished for page numbers based on the Kindle screen, so that if it took 288 presses of the "next" button to go from start to finish, the Kindle would show that the book has 288 pages, and each Next would move you one more step toward 288. The problem with that is that the numbers would change wildly every time you adjusted line spacing, font, font size or margins.

Location is, as someone posted above, based on byte counts within the book, including data other than the actual text. This seems a bit arcane but the advantage is that you can always get to the same place in the book regardless of your display settings. The only real difference from "page numbers" is that there are many more locations in a book, so the numbers can get pretty big (as high as 30,000 in the books I have).

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2014 9:24:05 PM PDT
Gabriel Ditu says:
I do not see why there is not a setting in the preferences, for any of the possibilities: location, percentage or page?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2014 9:44:57 PM PDT
Dawn says:
There is - if you say which device you have someone can help you

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 14, 2014 10:39:25 PM PDT
Jazzy_Jeff says:
There is.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 15, 2014 3:17:46 AM PDT
Charlie says:
If you have a Kindle Paperwhite, tap on the lower left and the display will toggle between location, time left in chapter, time left in book, page (if info is supplied by publisher), and blank.

There are lots of different Kindles and Kindle apps. The exact settings and displays vary slightly.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2014 12:08:20 PM PST
page numbers make sense if you are using Kindle with text books and need to read to a certain page, reference a certain page, look something up in a given page.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 18, 2014 12:15:20 PM PST
CBRetriever says:
dunno - maybe I grew up in the dark ages, but my teachers/professors always used to say read chapters X, Y and Z or section 2 and/or complete the exercises at the end of chapter 3

besides, since that post was written (2012) a lot of kindle books have included "real" page numbers
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