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Initial post: Oct 18, 2013 8:49:07 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 18, 2013 8:51:11 PM PDT
The recent low price on Kindle DX got me thinking along the lines of having a 3G KIndle since all DX's are 3G and I was seriously considering getting one at the $189 price point that expired a few days ago. The 3G feature had never interested me before but now that the sale price on the DX is no longer, I would like to get a Paperwhite. I know its 3G is only usable for accessing Wikipedia and a translation feature. Translation doesn't interest me but the 24/7 Wikipedia access does.

What are the ins an outs of using Wikipedia on a Kindle? Is access limited to 50 MB a month? If so, how much usage is that in terms of, lets say, hours of accessing Wikipedia? Or is the access to Wikipedia unlimited? Can you copy, say, an article and send it to the Kindle as a pdf while browing in 3G? If you click on a link in Wikipedia will the Kindle go there in 3G?

I would value the 3G even though it is only applicable to Wikipedia as long as the usage limit would be fairly generous. It seems like the ideal value-added feature to complement reading and studying. I do have a smartphone but no data plan. I want a Paperwhite for pure reading in any location with minimal distractions.

Posted on Oct 18, 2013 9:23:08 PM PDT
As far as I know, wikipedia access is unlimited. You just select wikipedia from the search options. There is no special feature on wikipedia that will allow you to copy an article into a pdf and send it to a Kindle. That would have to be done by wikipedia, not Amazon, I would think. Of course links in wikipedia work, if they go to wikipedia articles. If not, then no, they won't work because they aren't wikipedia.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 18, 2013 10:08:29 PM PDT
AFAIK the 50MB limit is applied in certain circumstances only, such as when travelling overseas.

If you *were* to (somehow, and I'm with Susan in not being able to see how) copy an article and send it as a PDF, then you'd come under the normal restrictions and charges for sending personal documents via 3G. But essentially, given that wiki articles are in html, you'd be requiring some kind of format conversion feature to turn it into a pdf file, and neither wikipedia nor the kindle has that built in.

TBH, I think if you want the PW "purely for reading" then the 3G is irrelevant. If you want it for "studying", then access to wikipedia is (at best) only a very poor level of study. For access to a decent level of information you'd need either the unlimited 3G of the DX, reasonable access to wifi, or a data plan on your smartphone.

Posted on Oct 19, 2013 4:08:54 AM PDT
That pretty much sells me on a Paperwhite, Susan. Thanks for the input. If I were given a choice of a device with complete internet access with some low cap such as 50mb or unlimited access to Wikipedia for a reasonable one-time flat fee I would definitely choose that. I am very new to ereaders and the only reason I'm aware of this Kindle/Wikipedia thing at all is researching the DX this past week or two. I normally read on the Kindle Android app on my phone.

From what you say, CBP, it sounds like the DX browses the whole internet. Is there a cap on usage that you know of? I would still consider the DX because of its size. What convinced me not to go with the DX, at least for now, is when I learned the Paperwhite will reflow the text of a pdf. I'm not that concerned about proper rendering of charts and tables but if the text is reflowed on the small Paperwhile screen that would be enough for me.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 4:18:05 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
the DX is 2-3 year old technology that probably will not get any updates in the future

one thing that might interest you is that for the new paperwhite, you can see the full definition of the word and switch dictionaries on the fly (say, from a standard English Dictionary to a specialized medical or scientific one if you wanted to)

I've never used the wifi access on my Paperwhite, preferring to go strictly with the 3G and it works just fine.

BTW, the internet access on the DX is painfully clunky, slow and if a page needs to load some sort of video first, it will hang up on you and not load the page - in other words, it's really only useful in a pinch, not as something to rely on

Posted on Oct 19, 2013 4:35:06 AM PDT
That's interesting about the dictionaries, CBR. There are intriguing little things, though, about the DX. I notice the battery is user-replaceable and not expensive. Is the Paperwhite's too?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 4:39:53 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 19, 2013 4:40:41 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
no, the DX does not have a replaceable battery - the only kindle that had that was the very first one though you will see people offering them for sale (voids your warranty if you replace them yourself from what I understand)

btw, I have a K2i which is the same generation as the DX (2009-2010) and it has never needed to have its battery replaced

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 4:48:08 AM PDT
I did think the DX battery is user-replaceable just because I saw them offered on Amazon, so I'm glad you set me straight because that feature would have been a factor and I would have been disappointed when I found it not to be the case. It looks like I will be going with a Paperwhite when they become available. How come there are so many reveiws (400 I think) of the Paperwhite 2 3G on Amazon if they are not yet available?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 4:51:27 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
this is just above the reviews:

This item has not been released yet and is not eligible to be reviewed. Reviews shown are from other formats of this item

so they're for the wifi version

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 5:00:48 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
yes Amazon has listings for replacement batteries, but it's no Amazon selling them - those are third party vendors and Amazon has no instructions on how to replace them - you'd have to google and find instructions on how to do it. And as I said, you could void your warranty by opening your Kindle.

I fully expect to see replacement paperwhite batteries offered by third party sellers on Amazon soon (you can already find them via google)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 5:25:05 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 19, 2013 6:44:43 AM PDT
In my case, 'purely for reading' would be enhanced by having access to Wikipedia everywhere. To me it means I could read in a park under a tree, for instance, and have the single reference I use most always with me. When I first became interested in the Paperwhite one thing I liked was the low price of $119. I never considered for even a moment paying another $60 for 3G. But I was completely unaware of this generous access to Wikipedia.

Posted on Oct 19, 2013 8:04:26 AM PDT
bookcrazy says:
Personally, I like the 3G feature of the paperwhite because there are many times I am away from home and want a book. It saves me time hunting down a WiFi source.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 9:04:28 AM PDT
B. Marks says:
The Paperwhite's battery isn't user replaceable, although that doesn't mean it can't be replaced by the user. It probably can be. Most devices with built-in batteries can be. It just means finding the right battery and finding the way to get the case open. There are a lot of companies that help with that.

Are you sure the DX battery is user replaceable? I couldn't find anything to indicate that on the DX page.


In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 9:20:33 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
it's not supposed to be - the only one for which Amazon themselves sold the battery was the very first kindle - any other kindle batteries offered on are not sold by Amazon, but rather by third party sellers

Posted on Oct 19, 2013 11:00:33 AM PDT
I have never heard of the Paperwhite having PDF reflow.

The DX's internet access is unlimited.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 1:11:12 PM PDT
Here is the Youtube video I saw the demonstration of reflowing a scanned pdf on Kindle. I'm probably misinterpreting it since you say you never heard of it, Susan.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 1:58:56 PM PDT
dreamcatcher says:
I replaced the battery on my Kindle DX, voided the warranty but was so easy to do. I love my DX

Posted on Oct 19, 2013 2:01:24 PM PDT
B. Marks says:
There are two types of PDF. There are those with text which some devices can reflow and others can't, and there are those PDFs that have scanned images.

In the latter type there is no text, just a picture of a page full of text. There is nothing to reflow. In order to reflow the text in a scanned image PDF it would first have to go through an OCR process, which is very error-prone, and then be manually proofed and corrected. OCR'd text that hasn't been proofed is sometimes readable but usually not and even when it is it's pretty bad.


Posted on Oct 19, 2013 2:25:39 PM PDT
Then I must be wrong about believing the Paperwhite can reflow pdf's, even regular ones that are not scranned. So then I'm back to considering the DX because I would really like to read PDF's which are close to impossible on my phone, and I don't want to get a 6" Kindle and find I have the same problem. Then from what Susan and dreamcatcher say about the DX's unlimited connectivity to the internet, that seems to be the device I that would best suit me. So, dreamcatcher, is there really no limit on the DX being able to browse the internet free of charge?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 2:42:17 PM PDT
CBRetriever says:
only outside your country of residence, but be prepared for a really slow, frustrating in most cases, experience

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 2:49:06 PM PDT
Only the same limits as the Kindle Keyboard, which are more about its ability (or lack thereof) to display websites. E-ink can't handle dynamic websites, or dynamic content in websites, or most popups. So what it works best for are very simple websites with low graphics content. (As an example, my uncle tried to load a page recently. A completely static page, but with some 20 smallish images at the top and a larger image at the foot. It took more than 5 minutes to get the top images in, before the text below -- which was the bulk of the page content -- started to appear.)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 2:51:50 PM PDT
CBRetriever says:
yep, frustrating - I only tried it once (there's no 3G web browsing at all in France) when I was on vacation in the UK and I gave up and went and paid to use the hotel computer

but the experience will be the same on a Paperwhite as on a DX

Posted on Oct 19, 2013 3:00:38 PM PDT
Is it that frustrating to access a text-based site with some pictures like Wikipedia on the DX? Is it slow on the Paperwhite 3G? I know the DX does not have WiFi, but is accessing Wikipedia real slow on paperwhite WiFi also?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 3:06:17 PM PDT
As far as how it displays, yes. But what I was taking pains to spell out was that frustration level, which I reckon increases the more websites you think you can access :-)

Wikipedia, in general, is fairly light on graphics - especially in the mobile version. Expecting similar ease on other websites is not going to give a good outcome!

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2013 3:08:00 PM PDT
It may be *slightly* faster on the PW due to a faster processor. But for the most part, it's about how fast e-ink can change the display, rather than about which device it is or what the speed of connection is.
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