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Initial post: Nov 9, 2013 5:44:33 PM PST
Going Further: Finding Yourself in Creative Art Journaling

Sometimes buying Kindle books is extremely irritating. I just bought this book, Going Further, and I am not sure I will finish reading it. The author and her design team put entire sections in the book in some sort of flush right column.

On the Kindle - this means I get page after page of one character lines - so the copy becomes a puzzle I have to spell out to read. Seeing it at all means I have to have margins set to minimal size - if I use any other margin - I end up with page after page of blank white.

Doesn't anyone at Amazon look at these books before they go live?

I don't usually write negative reviews, but no one should buy this book in Kindle format. If what the author wrote was worth reading - it is not worth deciphering to read. The designer of the book should be made to stand in a corner.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2013 5:50:06 PM PST
Artist says:
No, Amazon doesn't "look" at e-books, just like they don't look at paper books. It's not their responsibility, it's the publisher's responsibility. Maybe you should have downloaded a sample first.

Did you try to look at the book on your PC? I wouldn't buy an art-related book for my black and white Kindles.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 9, 2013 7:18:43 PM PST
Report it to Amazon Customer service and ask for a refund. Usually refunds need to be requested within 7 days of purchase, but if the formatting for kindle is that bad they will probably make an exception.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 5:19:54 AM PST
I did download a sample, but each chapter or section seems to have this area of badly formatted type. And that wasn't part of the sample. I have an old black and white kindle, but I downloaded this on my Kindle Fire - which has great color for art.

I suppose you are correct about Amazon not reviewing printed books, but the Kindle format is actually something they are responsible for. It is not quite the same as printed books which you could say Gutenberg is responsible for.

I will see how it looks on my PC. But it is still a drag to buy a book in a Kindle version and have this happen.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 5:27:30 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 10, 2013 5:28:33 AM PST
Amazon won't proofread books, not will they edit them. Copyright prohibits doing so, not to mention the sheer number of books that would need proofed.

Just like a print book, the proofing and corrections must be done by the publisher. No one else has the legal or ethical right to do so.

The publisher will get the idea when their book is returned by buyers. You can also submit formatting errors to the publishers.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 5:48:43 AM PST
K. Rowley says:
If you go to the book's product page and scroll down to the bottom, there is a light blue box that will have a link for reporting problems with formating.

And just a suggestion, given the nature of the book you're having problems with - I recently bought this one, An Illustrated Life: Drawing Inspiration from the Private Sketchbooks of Artists, Illustrators and Designers
and thought it was pretty good.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 6:01:42 AM PST
thanks for the tip on how to report the problem. And I have all of Danny Gregory books - but I bought most of them pre-Kindle - or at least they weren't available in kindle format when I bought them. A book that I have in Kindle format that I think is quite good and similar to this one is Wabi-Sabi. It is more about creating images and not really about journaling. Art Journal Freedom is good, too.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 6:14:46 AM PST
Jazzy_Jeff says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 6:18:06 AM PST
Paxton says:
Jennifer - you do have 7 days to return books without questions, and get a refund. In this case I would certainly do so.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 6:51:44 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 6:56:17 AM PST
Which is why the refund option even exists. No matter how you spin it, though, Amazon isn't going to violate copyright law for any e-books it resells and except for the rare instance where Amazon is the rights holder, it is just that and nothing more, a reseller.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 6:59:42 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 10, 2013 7:00:38 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
Ebooks were around for years before Amazon even went into business Sony had a reader, Gutenberg was digitizing in the 1990s, and lots of other companies were involved way before Amazon got involved

interesting reading here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebooks

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 7:29:59 AM PST
K. Rowley says:
"Ebooks were around for years before Amazon even went into business.."

That's true - I was buying & reading ebooks on my palm PDA way before Amazon got into the business.. But there were also MP3 players before Apple came out with the iPod. I think Amazon coming out with both their first ereader and the apple Kindle app is what kicked off what is now the ebook business.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 10:06:06 AM PST
Nope.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 10:43:48 AM PST
And much like the computer, Amazon has an adequate return period (which B&N doesn't have) and if there are issues with the computer or in this case the book you can return and inform them the reason of the return.

Like the computer, the book and its formatting is the responsibility of the creator.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 10, 2013 1:25:53 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 10, 2013 1:27:38 PM PST
Jazzy_Jeff says:
Well of course they would want to know about a problem. That doesn't mean they are going to go through each and every book to check for errors. I have found errors in printed books as well.

E-books have been around long before Amazon started selling and promoting them. Amazon promoting them has helped to make them popular. Also you do a a refund option so this is the only way Amazon is responsible.

Posted on Nov 10, 2013 2:28:31 PM PST
Just before I started reading Kindle books exclusively, I was reading a series in paperback that had so many typos that it was painful to read. Not all errors are in ebooks.

By the way, you can return a book by going to the Manage Your Kindle page, finding the book you want to return, and clicking on "return for refund" on the pull-down list. It works almost instantly.
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