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Amazon, PLEASE Separate Science Fiction from Fantasy


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Initial post: Feb 17, 2014 6:51:20 PM PST
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Posted on Feb 17, 2014 7:02:31 PM PST
Jay says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2014 7:02:55 PM PST
CatChat says:
Everyone here is a customer like yourself. You can send suggestions to Amazon by clicking on the feedback link

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 2:26:04 AM PST
Dog Lover says:
Completely agree!

However, as CatChat says Amazon won't see your request here.

DL

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 2:33:07 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
they are on a PC or in a browser - I see this

Department
‹ Kindle Store

‹ Kindle eBooks

Science Fiction & Fantasy
...Fantasy (104,937)
...Science Fiction (71,548)

the rest is up to the publishers to correctly tag the books

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 2:44:42 AM PST
And then if you click on Science Fiction, you get the sub-categories:
Adventure (19,485)
Alien Invasion (1,205)
Alternative History (3,787)
Anthologies & Short Stories (8,473)
Classics (454)
Colonization (870)
Cyberpunk (817)
Dystopian (4,143)
First Contact (657)
Galactic Empire (687)
Genetic Engineering (1,659)
Hard Science Fiction (4,125)
Metaphysical & Visionary (1,612)
Military (4,455)
Post-Apocalyptic (4,661)
Space Exploration (757)
Space Opera (6,013)
Steampunk (1,381)
Time Travel (2,961)
TV, Movie, Video Game Adaptations (1,614)

Take your pick, A.N.Smith :-) But there are other things you can add to (or eliminate from) your search terms. Amazon's search engine recognises Boolean commands (google it if you want more info), which means you can also use a minus sign in front of a term to exclude it. Something like:
"science fiction" -paranormal -fantasy
would reduce your results considerably because it will exclude anything which mentions the word paranormal or the word fantasy. In fact, even knowing that you should enclose a phrase in quotation marks helps. Searching for "science fiction" will get you hits that only include both words together and in that order, whereas searching for science fiction without the quotes will get you not only both words together, but also hits that include both words separately *or* either word without the other.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 2:50:39 AM PST
Blinken says:
"real science fiction" versus "female-penned" ?

Sigh.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 2:56:54 AM PST
yes, Anne McCaffrey is clearly not "real science fiction".

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 3:02:22 AM PST
To be fair, the OP did say "female-penned vampire or hunted teens", not just "female-penned".

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 3:08:33 AM PST
>>All non-fiction is a fantasy.<<

I presume you actually mean "all fiction is a fantasy". But in any case, I'd say not really. Fantasy is a specific sub-genre of fiction that uses supernatural themes or creatures and/or imaginary worlds as a central part of the plot. All fantasy is fiction, but not all fiction is fantasy.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 3:17:59 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
"In an introduction to "Warm Worlds and Otherwise," a 1975 collection of short stories by the elusive and enigmatic James Tiptree Jr., his editor and fellow author Robert Silverberg attempted to sketch a portrait of a cult figure who had never been seen in public, and whose only tangible connection to the known universe was a steady stream of letters originating from a post office box in McLean, Va. Though some fans believed that the mysterious Tiptree was actually J.D. Salinger or Henry Kissinger, Silverberg speculated that the writer was probably employed as a federal bureaucrat, around 50 or 55 years old, and enjoyed the outdoors. Furthermore, Silverberg wrote: "It has been suggested that Tiptree is female, a theory that I find absurd, for there is to me something ineluctably masculine about Tiptree's writing. I don't think the novels of Jane Austen could have been written by a man nor the stories of Ernest Hemingway by a woman, and in the same way I believe the author of the James Tiptree stories is male."

The real name of James Triptree jr was Alice Bradley Sheldon and she was an excellent sci-fi writer as were Andre Norton (Alice Mary Norton), Leigh Brackett (real name), C.L. Moore (Catherine Lucille Moore) and C.J. Cherryh (Carolyn Janice Cherry)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 3:21:53 AM PST
Blinken says:
To be fair, the gender modifier was unnecessary in asking a question about separation of fantasy and sci-fi in search results. To have included then, implies a prejudice.

To be fair, in the other direction, this particular issue is at the front of my mind today after spending yesterday reading about:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/06/18/swfa_sexism_controversy_a_trade_bulletin_offends_its_readers_editor_jean.html

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 3:31:36 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
interesting read and I wonder where Samuel Delany's book fit into the mix with their, in some cases rather explicit, depection of same sex encounters....

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 3:52:34 AM PST
And does he like to see male penned self published teen vampire novels? :)

And of course it suggests that everything that's not self published is good.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 3:57:29 AM PST
Who said anything about self-published?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:00:15 AM PST
Yes, there's an implied prejudice. But the point I was trying to make is that it's an implied prejudice about female-penned **fantasy**, not female-penned sci-fi, if you read the sentence as a whole instead of taking one adjective out of context.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:01:14 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
no one, but I'd be willing to bet that a majority of the paranormal romances are self-published (there just aren't that many in physical book stores)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:02:17 AM PST
Dog Lover says:
That is true.

The real impact, for me, on this issue lies in the "Kindle Deals" and the recommendations where these two categories are merged.

I do not read fantasy. I love hard SF which, itself, is difficult to define for Amazon's purposes. Not an issue of life-altering impact but still ...

DL

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:03:47 AM PST
Dog Lover says:
They show up up mixed with Romances in brick&mortar stores - not with SF.

At least they did way back when I actually USED those stores.

DL

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:11:15 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
last time I did (early 2009), they were in the sci-fi/fantasy section (B&N). I've seen a few stores that separate fantasy and sci-fi, but not very many.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:17:13 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 18, 2014 4:20:07 AM PST
Dog Lover says:
There is a 'non-Romance' category of fantasy (Song of Ice and Fire anyone? Tolkien?) but those "female-penned" series are usually more romance than that. I also do not want "Vampires" and such included in SF regardless of the author's sex.

No way, IMO, to satisfy everyone on this point and many other points.

DL

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:46:17 AM PST
Trouble is, there's a blurred line between science fiction and science fantasy (straight fantasy is different again), and I'm sure it's not always easy to classify/shelve. As a purely hypothetical scenario, if Dr Who found himself in a world/time with vampires and werewolves roaming loose, and had to use lasers or something to kill them off, that would be science fantasy. But not either plain or romantic fantasy, presumably :-)

But I think you've probably hit the nail on the head, Dog Lover. I suspect that by saying "female-penned" the OP was trying to describe romantic fantasy. Nothing wrong with not wanting it, and I think the majority of it probably *is* by female authors.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 4:52:39 AM PST
Profiling's come a long way since then :-)

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 5:03:52 AM PST
CBRetriever says:
there's probably some by men using female pen names like there are/were in the romance/historical novel categories

Jennifer Wilde = Tom Huff
Madeleine Brent = Peter O'Donnell (I wish these would come out in kindle format)
Deanna Dwyer = Dean Koontz
Jessica Stirling = Hugh C. Rae

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 18, 2014 5:06:12 AM PST
I am pretty positive that my ex-h for example, has never, and probably would never read a book by a woman. I don't even think it's a conscious thing. I think he sees a woman's name on the book and assumes it's FOR women.
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