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The answer to no memory card slot on the Kindle Fire...

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Initial post: Dec 9, 2011 1:31:44 PM PST
One of the major complaints about the Kindle Fire is the lack of a memory card slot to allow users to load more books, songs, movies, files, etc onto their Fires. There is a company, however, that is developing a new product called CloudFTP. It is going to be a remarkable little device. It is a very small, portable box that you can plug any kind of USB mass storage into (memory stick, external hard drive, etc). The device then creates it's own local ad hoc wireless network. They will have an android app that can be loaded onto any android device. With that app, you can connect to the local wireless network that the CloudFTP device creates, and then move files back and forth from your Fire to the storage and back again.

Here is the link to the product information:

Personally, I am super excited about this. I travel for work all the time and the internet speeds in most hotels suck. Consequently, I didn't really feel that streaming anything to my Fire was going to work very well. But, with this device, I can pre-download movies that I have bought from Amazon, and then move the files over to the CloudFTP. That way I can store many more movies, books, and music than I could fit on the Fire, and then I will just move the appropriate file back to the Fire when I want to watch/listen/etc.

I think it's going to be amazing, and I have already paid to preorder one.

What do the rest of y'all think about it? Do y'all see the potential as well?

Posted on Dec 9, 2011 1:36:22 PM PST
Can't you already do this with the Box or Dropbox apps? That's how I transfer stuff now.

Posted on Dec 9, 2011 1:36:32 PM PST
Ed G says:
It doesn't look like it will work with the Kindle Fire. In the diagrams, the only connection to devices is ad-hoc, which won't work with the Fire. It can join infrastructure networks, but it doesn't look like it can create an infrastructure hot spot.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:39:16 PM PST
C. Scilley says:
I use dropbox. It works great! A person can also store files in their google account and then download to the fire when needed. There are a lot of ways to get around the lack of storage on the Fire.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:40:03 PM PST

It creates it's own wireless network. You connect to it just like you would any other wifi network. The Fire will not know whether it is the CloudFTP device or your wireless router. All it sees is the wireless network to connect to.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:41:30 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 9, 2011 1:41:50 PM PST
What if you happen to be in an area where you have little to no internet connection? Then dropbox will be unavailable to you. But, as this little device creates it's own wireless network, you can move files back and forth in the total absence of an internet connection. That's the power of it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:42:29 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 9, 2011 1:42:54 PM PST
C. Scilley says:
Also, I don't think Amazon will let you move the movies you buy from them to CloudFTP. There are limits to where you can save the movies. Just bring your laptop with you where you travel and have the movies and files loaded on it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:42:44 PM PST
Again, this solution requires an internet connection. This device works when you don't have an internet connection.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:44:11 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 9, 2011 1:45:37 PM PST
But what if you don't want to lug around your huge laptop? This thing is tiny. Plus, it's much easier to just connect to a wireless network and move files around than it is to boot up the laptop, drag out the computer cable, hook up the fire, etc.

Posted on Dec 9, 2011 1:47:18 PM PST
J. Spotts says:
The advantage to purchasing a wireless flash storage device to tether to is that you can access the content you'd normally store in a cloud such as Drop Box from anywhere. You don't need a wireless connection because the device has its own. The downside is it will cost you more for the device then it would if the Fire had a built in SD card slot (other then the one its utilizing inside).

Posted on Dec 9, 2011 1:48:55 PM PST
L. Housley says:
interesting. i'd have to see an actual product before i would give any money though.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:50:17 PM PST
Well, that is true. Buying this CloudFTP, as well as a memory card, will be more expensive than just being able to buy a card and put it right into the Fire. But, in the absence of a card slot, this seems to be about the best solution that doesn't require an internet connection.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:51:36 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 9, 2011 1:55:42 PM PST
Yes, but the wifi network it creates is an ad-hoc network - which is exactly what I'd expect for a device that is intended to communicate via wifi directly to other devices. That's what the ad-hoc network mode is for.

Unfortunately all wifi networks are NOT created equal - the Fire won't connect to an ad-hoc network "just like any other wifi network" - it's specifically listed as not compatible on the Fire product page.

From the product description you linked to: "By default, CloudFTP creates its own (ad-hoc) wireless WiFi network to share the connected USB data." This won't work with the Fire.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:51:39 PM PST
So do you need an app to connect to it? Or is it just a wireless network that any client could see?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 1:58:12 PM PST
Well, the Fire states that it "[s]upports public and private Wi-Fi networks or hotspots that use 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11n... ." The CloudFTP site states that "USB data is shared over a secure wireless IEEE 802.11b/g/n WiFi network". So that, to me, sounds like it should work just fine. It creates a private 802.11b/g/n wifi network. The Fire product page says that's what it will support. I think it's probably going to work just fine.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 2:00:00 PM PST
They say that you can connect to it with "any" web browser (assuming it supports FTP transfer mode), and that they "will also release a dedicated iOS and Android apps".

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 2:01:35 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 9, 2011 2:04:35 PM PST
Nope, you're not reading the whole thing. The wireless hotspot that it creates is an ad-hoc network. They say that two places. The bit you just quoted is about the kinds of external networks it can connect. If you're in a place where you already have wifi service. In which case why do you need this?

ETA: The specs that you're reading are part of the requirement for Fire. The other part is that it must be an "infrastructure" network. IEEE 802.11b/g/n supports either infrastructure or ad-hoc. The Fire does not. Fire requires infrastructure, this device provides ad-hoc.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 2:01:35 PM PST
You can connect to the wireless network it creates without an app but, in order to move files back and forth, it will require an app. They are developing an android app for it, but any file explorer app that can connect to an FTP should work.

Posted on Dec 9, 2011 2:03:08 PM PST
Kujako says:
Simpler solution is to use something like the Sima Hitch and copy data via the USB port. I'll have a write up reviewing the process with the Fire soon.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 2:08:50 PM PST
Looks promising.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 2:09:31 PM PST
I'm lucky enough to live where wifi is very available. I've never had a problem with my iPad nor do I anticipate any with my Fire. YMMV...

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2011 2:37:05 PM PST
Ed G says:
It will not work, at least with the Kindle Fire as we know it today. The Kindle Fire will only connect to an infrastructure WiFi network. This device will only create an ad-hoc hotspot. The two are not compatible.

It is possible that at some point Amazon will update the Fire to support ad-hoc networks, but until then it will be incompatible with this device.

Posted on Dec 9, 2011 2:40:18 PM PST
The reason I jumped in on this thread is I have that problem with my phone. It's one of those that will only provide an ad-hoc network, and the Fire can't see it.

Posted on Dec 12, 2011 10:19:04 AM PST
Kujako says:
FYI, I've posted my experience using a usb to usb transfer device and the Fire.
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