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Initial post: Oct 5, 2011 5:07:22 AM PDT
I'm ordering 2 Kindle Fires and one Kindle Touch for Christmas. The touch will go to my Dad, One Fire will go to my wife, the other I got primarily for my Son though I think I'll call it mine and let him use it as he's just learning to read. I was going to get a leapPad for $100 and he plays with my iPhone all the time, so I thought this would be better for kids books and in the long run cheeper. ($25 per leapad title from Wal-mart, Toys R Us ect)

If I have them all registered to my account does that mean that all purchases must be made by me? If my wife uses the one registered in my name can she order stuff from Amazon without it being ordered by my account? Can my Dad pay for his own Kindle Books ordered on the device if it's registered to me? Can I keep my 4 year old from buying stuff on his own when he's reading, yet still allow myself to order books on the fire using a password?

If I have 3 separate accounts and a new book comes out that we all want we would have to buy 3 copies of it right? Can you switch acconts back & forth on the device?

Does anyone know if the fire will Print yet? I love printing from my iPhone to my wireless printer and it would be great if the Fire could print too.

Thank You
Jay

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 5:55:06 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 5, 2011 5:58:26 AM PDT
Anyone, even the neighbour who is just playing with one of your Kindles, can order any thing from the Kindle Store without having to put in a password. It'll automatically be charged to the account the Kindle is registered in. In the Fire's case, that'll probably include movies and MP3.

If you put the Kindles on different accounts, then you'll have to de register and re register the Kindles to the account where a particular book is to download and read it. Once you do that, you can still open and read it. Most people make do with one account, register the Kindle, download the book, de register the Kindle. A lot of books have a 6 device limit license. If you want to keep the Kindles in separate accounts, you'll have to buy multiple copies of the same book if each Kindler wanted a copy for their Kindle. This may not happen as it's unlikely your Dad, wife and son has same taste.

Printing: depends on what you're trying to print. Most ebooks have DRM and printing is limited to what you can copy to clipboard or what the publisher will allow. The Fire should have full access to web services like Google Docs that allow printing of documents.

Amazon may start to request a password when people make a purchase. There was some issue with iPhone games that let kids buy stuff inside the games that resulted in real charges to their parents' credit cards. One example was Smurfberries in the Smurf Village.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 6:42:56 AM PDT
I would keep your Kindle and your Fires on one account. That way you can all share your content. You receive an email from Amazon for each purchase.
To prevent your son from purchasing things on his own you can deregister the Fire when he is using it. Plus this would be a great opportunity to teach him that he must ask and not just "get" things on his own.
Also, Amazon will give you a refund within 7 days for books that you want to return.
You'll have to set up some kind of accounting between you and your Dad for reimbursement, of course. He could purchase Amazon gift cards for you to apply to your account to fund his purchases. One click will use gift card balances first before charging your debit/credit card on file.
Sorry, I don't know about printing, but someone here can probably help you.
Happy Kindling!

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 7:01:04 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 5, 2011 7:02:14 AM PDT
KindlePad says:
Hopefully amazon will take a nod from apple and add purchasing passwords. With iOS any purchase triggers a password request from the user. It would be seriously lax of amazon not to have that as well or at least an option to enable that.

Printing - is there anything in the android os that supports printing?

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 7:28:40 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Feb 11, 2012 9:28:12 AM PST
*Edited (Feb 11, 2012) to add: There are now parental control apps available (for the Fire only, so far) to block purchases, etc.*

I recently posted this in another thread, in answer to a similar question. Have 'edited to add' a bit to address the children issue more fully:

Any two or more Kindles registered to the same Amazon account automatically share books. My group currently includes 6 people (family and friends) in various locales and 9 devices (some of us have Kindles + ipads, iphones, etc.) Buy once, everyone has unlimited access. You can register any Kindle or Kindle app at any time to a specific account on the Manage Your Kindle page or directly from the device itself.

Groups should decide on certain ground rules.
#1 Who is allowed to buy, what sort of books are OK, and at what price (sometimes impt for families with children). My particular group lets anyone purchase anything. Other groups have a single designated buyer who may purchase 'on request' (possibly an adult managing a group which includes elderly grandparents who are not comfortable or savvy with the internet).

ETA: As long as a Kindle is registered on an account with an attached credit card or gift card balance, there is no way to block purchases from said Kindle. However, the account holder receives immediate email confirmation of all purchases from any registered device, and can return any book (no questions, no hassles) within 7 days. Families with children can go thru the hassle of deregistering their Kindles after loading them with specific books -- or they can just tell the child that unauthoized purchases will be returned and their Kindle taken away.

Note: Everyone automatically has access to ALL books in the archive. There is no way to hide or restrict embarrassing titles short of deregistering from the account, which is a klugy work-around, awkward and labor intensive.

#2 Groups need to decide on payments options. An account can only have one credit card attached at a time. Some groups fund by allowing one person to pay all (ex: Mom's credit card pays for her books, her husband's, the kid's, and grandparent's.) Others settle up with the card holders periodically -- either by splitting the cost evenly (since everyone has equal access to all purchases) or by keeping track and having each person reimburse the account holder for their own particular purchases. Still other use gift cards or purchase gift books for the group.

ETA: The 5 book limit that WingNut/Pilot mentions is not really a problem. It doesn't apply to all books and for those that it does... if the limit should be reached, simply 'delete' the book from one of the devices; it will go back into archives, freeing up that license, and another device in the group can then download it.
P.S. Some people think there also is a limit to the number of devices which can be linked. No so, your group can be as large as you wish.

#3 Some groups give the acct. password info to all members, so that they can use the Manage Your Kindle online functions. Some only allow the 'group mananger' to have this information.

ETA again, for newbies: Optional, fancy wrinkle: If this is your first Kindle, and you are planning to start a family account or a group right off the bat, consider setting up a new Amazon account for KINDLE/Kindle-FIRE USE ONLY. Maybe get a new email address and/or a new low-limit credit card. Easier record keeping, doesn't give anyone in the group any way to access your other credit card info or your Amazon buying history {so hubby can't find out what you bought him for Christmas}.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 7:32:34 AM PDT
Great post, Wild Reader!

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 7:42:49 AM PDT
If I had it to do over again I would do it this way. Set up a separate Kindle account to which all the Kindles are registered. Remove the credit card information from this account so that no one can order directly from the Kindles. I realize this may be a drawback to some people but I don't purchase from the Kindle anyway. When some one wants to buy a book, they use their own account and "gift" the book to the Kindle account. This way everybody's money is kept separate, all can share the books, and the kids can't buy something they shouldn't.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 7:58:20 AM PDT
KindlePad, I print from Google Docs. I've enabled both my printers for Google's cloud printing. But I rarely use that feature since I'm trying to go as paperless as possible. That is, if I'm using an online recipe, I prop my tablet on the kitchen counter instead of printing the recipe. In the end, whenever I want to print anything, I end up firing up Google Docs on one of the computers attached to the printer.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 8:41:13 AM PDT
Amazon is in the buisness of selling stuff. They want to make it as easy as possible but really they need to keep it from being accidental.

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 8:55:35 AM PDT
Thank you so much for the responces. We don't know that much about the Fire yet. I'm now fairly sure One will be Mine and one will be my Wife's they will share an account, and our son will use them the way he uses my iPhone. I'll try and figure out if I can lock it down to a point where I'm comforable, maybe I'll download a few of his videos to it, and let him watch them in the car on long trips, and I can read stories from it at night instead of from the many books scattered all over his room.

My father I think I'll let register his own account, maybe download the two books I have he might like before I give it to him, but he can register it himself. Do the books I downloaded to it go away when he does that? I know he can't redownload them.
If I have a Prime account I think I can share the 2 day shipping with his account anyway.

Not sure how Prime and the Video service will work with an account specifically for the Fire's?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 9:33:19 AM PDT
Andromeda says:
Re 'When some one wants to buy a book, they use their own account and "gift" the book to the Kindle account.'

As far as I know you still cannot 'gift' a free book (price 0.00). So for that purpose I would fund the kindle account with a 0.99 gift card (or lower) and 'buy' only wanted free books from the kindle account.

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 9:55:38 AM PDT
Simple, get rid of one-click, with a user-option...

One-click to PURCHASE, or...
One-click to CART.

Problem solved... You need the password to make the purchase, and you simply select cart-items before you PURCHASE. No kids should be able to make a one-click purchase, due to the fact that it is illegal for a child/kid/teen to use an adults credit-card for a purchase, as it is a form of USER/OWNER ID, for adult content, gambling sites, legally binding contracts... etc...

The "Return policy", is a nice "oops", feature... but one that requires users to be alert at all times, which is NOT the case. Thus, resulting in many physical returns once items have been shipped, driving-up our costs, for no reason. Poor move on Amazon's part... because it only ensures future sales will be driven higher for the masses, unless they hold individuals accountable... By retarding the actual sale or by demanding passwords on users who often seem to be "returning" items.

Better yet... allow that option to be up to the retailer... "Do not allow one-click purchases. Demand password confirmation for this sale." or "Delay shipping until confirmation, after purchase." or, "Notify user by, email, txt, call. Before delivery."

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 10:09:34 AM PDT
Has anyone managed to remove the 1-Click option from their Kindles or Kindle apps? I don't have 1-Click turned on but it seems to be the default for Kindle. I can't find a way to make the Kindle ask for a password before the purchase goes through.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 10:13:16 AM PDT
There is no way to do it. All Kindle book sales are 1-click because of the instant delivery.

Posted on Oct 5, 2011 10:30:25 AM PDT
Sorry, I didn't clarify... My post was a "Simple suggestion to ask for." Not a solution to the horrible programming function, which does not have that simple option to deselect.

Until they program for it... it will not exist. THey seem to count on people clicking twice, while the screen loads, and you think it is not loading, thus, initiating an instant sale. Might be how they give the illusion of "Tons of sales", when you ignore the "Tons of returns", which they don't publish in the numbers. Looks good for investors though! Look we had 10,000,000 sales... Um, minus 9,000,000 returns from poor user interface design, or from crafty trick-number interface design.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 10:39:10 AM PDT
Sorry, Jason: I've never accidentally ordered a book. I do know someone who did that, though. One time, maybe twice. Then she learned not to make that mistake again.

Your unfounded assumption that there are "tons of returns" due to accidental ordering is just plain silly.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 10:39:27 AM PDT
Good point. I hadn't considered the free books. Your solution is good.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 5, 2011 10:42:08 AM PDT
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Posted on Nov 19, 2011 9:33:03 PM PST
Dummy/Test Credit Card # for 1-click.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 9:40:41 PM PST
My husband has accidentally ordered books, twice. When I got him his first Kindle. The funny thing is both titles were cheesey porn/erotica. I got the emails and immediately began making terrible fun of him. Not because it was porn/erotica, I could care less about that (my husband used to write an erotic comic, I obviously knew who I was marrying...) this was BAD PORN.

They truly were accidents, and we sent them back, and still laugh about it. But after those two hiccups, he's never accidentally purchased a book again.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2011 9:44:46 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 19, 2011 9:50:38 PM PST
Julia says:
"Note: Everyone automatically has access to ALL books in the archive. There is no way to hide or restrict embarrassing titles short of deregistering from the account, which is a klugy work-around, awkward and labor intensive."

Actually, you can hide things from the archive. If you go to Your Accout and click "Your Collection" under "Media Library". Ignore the message about newer sites and click the drop-down arrow beside "Your Collection" to select "Kindle Items". Select the items you want to hide from the Archive and move them to the trash. Note that even if you try to empty the trash, Kindle books stay put. The items in the trash will no longer appear on the "Manage Your Kindle" web page or in your Archive. If you accidentally remove one of those items from your Kindle, you'll have to un-trash it before you can find it to re-download.
Also note that for some reason, Kindle for Mac (and probably PC, too) still shows the trashed items.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 14, 2011 5:49:08 PM PST
PJS says:
@Julia - thank you for that tip on hiding books from the archive. I have been researching the forums for good guidelines and ideas about sharing my account with my two sons, in their early teens, who are each getting a KF for their holiday present. I don't have many books that they don't need to read, but it is nice to know there is a way to keep them private.

Posted on Jan 15, 2012 9:23:32 AM PST
Ns says:
@Julia, I just tried your method and find the items still show in my physical Kindle archive. I was wondering if it's an automatic process or does it take awhile for the books to "disappear'?
I do notice the items I've trashed are gone from the Manage Your Kindle library. I just want them to be removed from my archive. Any idea of what could be the issue? Thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 11, 2012 8:43:30 AM PST
CAD says:
The family shares a single account, but I don't want my children to download books from our archive. I tried de-registering the kindle app (ipad) after we dowloaded some books, but you can't read the books unless the device is registered. Any suggestions?

Posted on Feb 11, 2012 5:03:29 PM PST
I just purchased a kindle fire which is my second kindle it is registered on on my amazon account's. Buy I can not download any apps it is asking to register my credit card again
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