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Amazon vs. Hachette

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Initial post: May 26, 2014 6:42:59 AM PDT
J. Hansell says:
If Amazon were truly driven by customer satisfaction and focused on distribution of all products - rather than exercising anti-competitive control over publishers, they would immediately halt their war on Hachette Publishing - .

Until they do so, I'll do my online shopping elsewhere, and shortly cancel my account with Amazon.

Jeff Hansell

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 6:46:09 AM PDT
Why not cancel your account now, Jeff? Waiting to cancel it is so.......well, indecisive.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 6:46:14 AM PDT
CatChat says:
we are customers and do not care what you do. we have heard all the uneducated drivel from all the amazon haters all weekend long and it is seriously getting old. do some research and read some unbiased reports on this and you might feel differently.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 7:00:42 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
you might want to avoid Barnes and Noble too as they pulled the exact same thing on Simon and Schuster last year accourding to author Hugh Howey:

"Several of my friends are caught up in this battle between Hachette and Amazon. My heart goes out to them and to the readers who are impacted by this. The same thing happened to me last year as Simon & Schuster and B&N couldn't agree on co-op money (the dollars spent to ensure high visibility placement of books in stores). While on book tour for WOOL, you couldn't find the title in 99% of Barnes & Noble stores. It was a crushing feeling. And now it's happening again.

What I find fascinating is the increased coverage this time around. The NYT and Publishers Weekly have published scathing reports accusing Amazon of being a bully. I would have loved some of that directed at B&N last year. You see, Barnes & Noble was holding authors and readers hostage in order to wring more cash out of publishers, because they are having a hard time making that money by actually selling books. They got a pass for this. What is Amazon up to?

The best guess is that e-book discounting is at the heart of the negotiations. Amazon wants the ability to discount e-books as low as it likes, even losing money on the titles if they choose. The publisher (and author) get their full cut, but Amazon takes a beating. This is likely to out-compete other e-book distributors and to continue the adoption of e-books. Publishers want to keep e-book prices as high as possible. In dealing with my own publishers, I have learned that most of this pressure comes from brick and mortar bookstores, who are left out of the e-book revolution. (The PW article backs this up)."

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 7:19:10 AM PDT
J. Hansell says:
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In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 7:30:27 AM PDT
CBRetriever says:
Hachette is the first of the big 6 publishers that has to renegotiate their contracts with Amazon - here's a fairly unbiased article on the subject:

and yet another article talking about what Barnes and Noble did last year that never made it into the media:

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 7:48:22 AM PDT
loriltx says:
To imply that anyone is uneducated just because they disagree is malarkey. I followed the dispute with the publishers from the beginning when Amazon pulled books in response to the publishers attempts to control the price of their product through the settlement with the DOJ. That doesn't mean I still have to agree with what Amazon is now doing. I am for Amazon providing the product at whatever price makes Amazon AND the publisher happy and letting the consumer be the ultimate decision maker.

Posted on May 26, 2014 7:50:18 AM PDT
J. Hansell says:
Again, thank you for posting the links. Very informative.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 7:50:23 AM PDT
Tim W. says:
That first article is a surprisingly even-handed account from PW. It was written on May 12th before the hysteria was racheted up to the level we see now. In it, it's explained that Hachette will be the first colluding publisher to have a shot at negotiating an agency agreement with Apple in October of next year. Amazon is trying to get as favorable a terms as they imagine Apple might get. Amazon is more in a position of strength this time and they will not waste the opportunity. I'm fairly certain they don't appreciate the barrage of negative press from Hachette's confederates and that will only strengthen their resolve. I think Hachette made a tactical error.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 7:53:17 AM PDT
CatChat says:
I wasn't calling anyone uneducated based on their opinions. I'm talking about all the posters ranting about the dispute having only read one side of the story then coming in with complaints about what a bully amazon is being.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 8:16:19 AM PDT
J. Hansell says:
I understand what you mean, now. Next time why not elevate the discussion rather than denigrate the posters?

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 8:32:38 AM PDT
Tim W. says:
Elevating the discussion above "exercising anti-competitive control?" Amazon is not doing that. They've been attempting to negotiate a new contract with Hachette for the last seven months. If you want to find an even-handed account about the Hachette-Amazon negotiations, you won't find it in the MSM. Sites like Teleread or The Passive Voice will give you far more accurate information than USA Today, CNN or the NYT.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 8:37:29 AM PDT
CatChat says:
you have to understand also that since Saturday morning between all the different forums I've visited I have been discussing it and helping people to better understand the entire issue in more than 20 separate threads, with several people making highly biased statements. there was a facebook blogger with a very biased view who decided it was a good idea to send all his followers here to spam the forums as much as possible with how much of a bully amazon is being. I guess this was just the straw that broke the camels back. I do apologize if you were offended in anyway. I was not directing anything to you personally.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 8:55:12 AM PDT
Dog Lover says:
Pot? Kettle?

Hard to tell.


In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 9:12:24 AM PDT
Jazzy_Jeff says:
You go girl!

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 9:25:15 AM PDT
MikeJW says:
Are you going to let us know, Jeff, when you cancel your account? Please do.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 9:43:52 AM PDT
There is nothing hopeful in either one of those articles. If Amazon succeeds in driving publishers and retailers out of business--all readers will suffer (save for the many posters here that seem perfectly happy to buy only the mostly dreck Amazon publishes).

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 9:59:02 AM PDT
J. Hansell says:
Thanks for the information, Tim W

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 10:07:59 AM PDT
Tim W. says:
You're very welcome. David Gaughran has a very interesting article posted today:

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 10:26:33 AM PDT
Tim W. says:
Hard negotiating is going to drive Hachette out of business? Hachette isn't a defenseless "Mom and Pop" business. They are a massive, multinational corporation that happens to be the second largest trade publisher on the face of the planet. They own many, many media outlets that are busy spinning this story into an anti-Amazon campaign. Don't believe everything you read.

Posted on May 26, 2014 10:26:35 AM PDT
J. Hansell says:
Here is a list of links related to this "war" that people have posted.

In reply to an earlier post on May 26, 2014 2:52:49 PM PDT
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Posted on May 27, 2014 11:36:07 AM PDT
SMB says:
It bothers me that some of tactics that Amazon has been reported as using sound go beyond fair negotiating tactics. What worries me is that the person who is going to get hurt in the end is the author...If the publisher is pushed to cut their prices and their profit it seems likely that this cost will be passed along to the author, especially authors just starting out or with smaller sales. At some point it will be "just not worth it" for them to keep writing which in the end hurts the readers...Big business will carry on but at the possible lose of how many stories.

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2014 12:17:28 PM PDT
King Al says:
Hachette is free to not sell to Amazon -- they can sell their books elsewhere. On the other hand, Amazon cannot buy Hachette books from anyone except Hachette.

I hope you were also bothered when Hachette illegally conspired with Apple to fix the prices of ebooks well above the prices that Amazon were selling them for. (By the way, Hachette's 2-year ban on setting ebook prices is about to expire, and I suspect they are about to set ebook prices again, which is probably why Amazon is playing hardball now.)

In reply to an earlier post on May 27, 2014 12:55:09 PM PDT
Dog Lover says:
Oh please.

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