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Initial post: Nov 23, 2011 5:09:38 PM PST
Just received a Kindle fire that i was planning on giving to my 11 yo who is a voracious reader. Thought i'd give it a test run so I'd know what i was giving my child for Christmas. Typed in "Teen Fiction" which is probably what an 11yo would do if she was looking for a book to read (she reads books classified as Young Adult)...what i got within 3 scrolls was Teen Porn. There should be some sort of parental control that can eliminate these items from showing up. An innocent search should not result in inappropriate results.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:11:22 PM PST
You need to send feedback to Amazon so that they can pass it on to the publishers - they set the tags for searches for books. You can use the Fire's built in feedback option to tell Amazon. Go to the top where the settings are, click on More and the first item in the list is Help & Feedback. Then the feedback form is the 3rd tab.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:11:28 PM PST
Seriously... how many duplicate threads on this topic can we have here in a 12 hour period? 10? 20? 5,000?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:15:14 PM PST
@Erich: By now, you know that people start their own thread or hijack someone else's before searching through the forums. :>)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:15:30 PM PST
Did that..have not heard back. I will try again after the holidays.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:16:38 PM PST
@ Erich..how 'bout enough threads for Amazon to fix it?

Just sayin' ;o)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:18:40 PM PST
How about not cluttering up the board by duplicating the same topic over and over and over and over again? This isn't a Customer Service Feedback forum. Amazon doesn't even really moderate the discussion here.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:19:17 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:21:08 PM PST
@P.C. Kellogg: You probably won't hear back, and they certainly won't tell anyone what they are working on for any update that might be coming up. And they don't do pre-release announcements or leaks.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:35:46 PM PST
Look, I used to work at the Anaheim Public Library (y'know, where Mr.Disney opened that little park). Each kid who opened a card got a "tiered" card based on their age. They couldn't check out books that were rated over their "tier". Library systems rate books as they procure them for circulation.

So...if your 11-yr-old was wandering around my library, we'd SEE the 11-year-old wandering over toward the grown up (we didn't have ahem-adult-ahem books) books, and a circ clerk would go over and say, "Hi, kiddo. Can I help you find something?" We would A) steer them in the right direction, and B) prevent them from actually LEAVING with books that were rated over their "tier".

So a parent who let a kid wander the library (minimum age was 10) could be reasonably (although not 100%) certain that their kid wouldn't end up with a book that they shouldn't get. Folina Dubernol, Circ Clerk at your service -- that's what I got paid for. Libraries ROCK!

But you know what? This is NOT A LIBRARY. This is a retail environment, like a bookstore, WITHOUT attendents or tiers or ratings or library cards. The Fire is intended to make it as EASY AS POSSIBLE to BUY STUFF. You MUST think of the Fire as the equivalent of handing your kid your credit card in a Barnes & Noble, and driving away.

If you want your kid to HAVE e-books, but ONLY the books YOU choose, then get an e-ink Kindle, load the books that the two of you choose together, disable 1-click ordering, password your wi-fi, and don't tell the kid the password.

However, if they take the Kindle to a McDonald's or a Starbucks (or a library!) with free wi-fi, then they will STILLLLLL be able to download and read freebie erotica to their hearts' content. Oh, you'll get the email saying it was sent, but probably not before Junior reads the juicy passages in a freebie bodice-ripper.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 5:55:43 PM PST
there is nothing to fix. parental controls should be the parents responsibility, not a companies imho...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 7:05:30 PM PST
but if i give my kid a barnes and noble card and tell her to find the books marketed to teens, she'll go there. If she gets a Kindle and searches books marketed to teens, but searches Teen Fiction, instead of Young Adult, she gets a full on naked picture of a very young girl and the title is "Janies first Orgy"...REALLY???!!! Cant they do a little Control of that? HECK If i was searching for that with my daughter...I'd be mortified! I don't even get that if i search Teen Fiction on amazon....there's got to be a way to fix that. And yes it's my responsibility to parent my child and I do. I'm just stating that simple innocent searches are coming up with Totally inappropriate books.

At this point I"m ready to return my Kindle Fire. Maybe the e-ink is the way to go. I just thought the ability to watch movies and play MP3's was a bonus...didin't really think teen porn was going to be an issue.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 7:22:08 PM PST
But not everybody thinks it's a problem & see's it as nothing needs to be fixed. If parents have this concern there are other products that have parental controls & there is no reason a child can't read paper books, watch video's on the Family TV or computer, paperback books can go into a car for long trips.

Personally, I do not want Parental Controls on the Kindle, even if offered a way to turn it off/on - I like the Kindle just the way it is, if you don't, get something else, until it is just the way you like it.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 7:35:16 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 23, 2011 7:37:38 PM PST
Jenny Nixe says:
Correct me if I'm wrong, Kessa, but you don't even own a Kindle Fire. So you want Amazon to ignore customer suggestions about improvements that would minimally change most users' experiences on a product that you don't have. In fact, not only do you not have a Kindle Fire, you don't have children. So why should Amazon care about your opinion on this subject at all?

Posted on Nov 23, 2011 8:06:18 PM PST
@ Ferret and everyone else who don't want controls...How bout your showing a teen your Kindle..Your a mom, aunt, teacher, scout leader, spiritual leader to this teen who loves to read...so you search "Teen Fiction"..seemingly innocent enough....page 1 results show books the child has already read, page two teen isn't interested, page three bottom right full on frontal nude teen...title of book is "janies firs Orgasm" Or Orgy..yes, both of those results are possible with in a few page scrolls...
What happens from there..if you are an Aunt, Teacher, Scout leader etc? The Kindle won't be so cool when the kid gets home and tells mom and dad.
And since the Kindle has the option to read books, watch videos, search the internet (you can at least put parental controls on the Google part of Kindle) and listen to MP3's this is a really useful device. The less to lug around when you have kids the better. Specifically since i have an 11yo who can read a 300 pg novel in 3hrs..that's a lot of books to lug around, not to mention a lot trips to the library and with their limited Young Adult book section she can plow through the entire library (or at least the books that interest her) in just a few months. Or on our annual trip to CO. It's a 16 hr drive...that's a lot of books/movies to bring..and with 3 kids multiply all that times 3...The Kindle had a lot of promise...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 8:17:58 PM PST
I just don't see why anybody needs to show or give or anything else an 11 year old a product that they are not comfortable with. There are other devices out there, if you for some unknown reason feel that you absolutely HAVE to.

It's not about parental controls or not, if you don't like the product as is, don't buy it. I do not see what the big deal is.

I hope that Amazon does not put parental controls on the Kindle product, but if they do, then would be the time to buy it, but any kid can get past parental controls. As a child, if my parents had ever put parental controls on anything, I would have seen it as a message that they do not trust me & would have figured wth and at that point done things that I knew I shouldn't have done, because they didn't trust me any way. I was lucky, in that regard, my parents let me see things that you seem to object to your child seeing - I saw them any way, even if they hadn't given me permission - it was all over the place - I don't think parents realize that little Suzie knows what orgies are, what sex is, etc. I see no reason to protect them from the world, they have to learn about it any way, might as well be under the protection of the parent, so the parent can talk with their child about what they are seeing, hearing, etc.

Posted on Nov 23, 2011 8:23:24 PM PST
The best way to control it is not to give a piece of equipment meant for adults to someone who is not old enough to handle it responsibly.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 8:30:24 PM PST
C. Scilley says:
I don't think I would give a Kindle fire to my kid. I might give them a Kindle and then put books on it for them, and then de-register it. I did let my Grandkids play on my Kindle Fire with me watching them. They did not use the internet at all. They were only allowed to play the games that I had on it. I did sit next to them and watch their every move. I must say that they had a lot of fun with it.
Carolyn

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 8:34:48 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 8:36:21 PM PST
Jenny Nixe says:
Truly, I don't think you have a clue about what all is out there. I can't imagine having a disussion with my preteen about sex with animals or torture videos. Also, just FYI, if you watch even vanilla porn with your kids so you can talk about what they're seeing and hearing, you'll go to jail.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 8:47:44 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 23, 2011 8:48:00 PM PST
LynnL says:
Greg says: "I can't find Janies First Orgy."

I can't either. I searched "teen fiction" and the results in the first three pages appeared to be mostly YA.

Bottom line -- if you don't trust your kid, don't give them any internet-enabled device.

Posted on Nov 23, 2011 8:51:39 PM PST
I agree with Jenny...you cannot talk porn with an 11yo...because if they tell someone else, you will get a visit from CPS...Porn for an 11yo is inappropriate.
@ Ferret.. parental controls in this case aren't about trust..I really do trust my child but the world is different from when I grew up...You had to work harder to find the porn...LOL it shouldn't be delivered to you by Santa on Christmas Day. And yea..If Amazon would have mentioned (or if i'd have ever known) that books were published with full frontal naked teenagers (or what looked like a teenager) I would not have purchased...Like i said..it's probably going back to Amazon..I have people from the Church interested in the Fire..they think it'll be great..heck my Pediatrician wants us to bring it in on the next visit...but REALLY??? I can"t deal with the naked people when searching for Teen books..
@ Greg...LOL OK maybe her name isn't Janie...but just search Teen Fiction from your Fire..You'll find her...All i remember was one book was her first Orgasm and the next was Orgy or group se*....LOL I was too shocked to take too many notes...

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 9:08:30 PM PST
Eye Rony says:
Ok this kind of bugs me, is there a reason why u guys cant just withhold the wifi password to at least keep them from the net unless you put in for them

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 9:12:23 PM PST
OK..I was wrong...just pulled the Kindle out from the Christmas Closet...LOL what a gift this will be...try

"His first Anal- Janessa and Ryan- teen hardcore bisexual erotic story"...It moves on from there...I kept scrolling thinking it was a fluke but Janessa shows up more than once....OH...and from scrolling even more i get Teen Tease..That one is pretty...All from searching Teen Fiction...now i can see if searched something more like Teen Porn....but not teen fiction...

JUst from searching teen fiction...this suckers going back!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2011 9:13:45 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 23, 2011 9:16:34 PM PST
Way to purposely read WAY too much into something, but of course, those are the things that you would think of - dirty brained and all.
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