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Initial post: Jan 7, 2012 2:40:24 PM PST
I seem to be in the mood to start discussions today. This one has been on my mind recently, due to some threads this past week.

I have been accused of cyberbullying, as have many others, because of posts that are considered by different people as sarcastic, snarky, and mocking.

So my question is: Does this constitute cyberbullying?

I'm going to put a couple of definitions I got from the internet in my following post. I know the definitions are long, but I thought it would be easier to discuss if we used the same sources:

By no means do I endorse any of this behavior. I think it is reprehensible. At the same time I think it is completely unfair to equate what posters do on Amazon discussion threads, even when being snarky, as cyberbullying. Taking terms and changing them to suit one's own desires is an unfair use of words.

How do others feel about this issue?

Posted on Jan 7, 2012 2:40:45 PM PST
What is cyberbullying?

""Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying." http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/

"Cyberbullying has subsequently been defined as "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person".[2] Other researchers use similar language to describe the phenomenon.[3][4]

Cyberbullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation.

Cyberbullies may disclose victims' personal data (e.g. real name, address, or workplace/schools) at websites or forums or may pose as the identity of a victim for the purpose of publishing material in their name that defames or ridicules them. Some cyber-bullies may also send threatening and harassing emails and instant messages to the victims, while other post rumors or gossip and instigate others to dislike and gang up on the target." Wikipedia.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 2:44:15 PM PST
When adults post, they have to take responsibility for their words and be able to accept that others' opinions may differ from their own.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 2:45:04 PM PST
I'd pay good money to be cyberbullied by you Anna.

But seriously, no, nothing here rises to anything even remotely resembling "cyberbullying". The notion is laughable.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 2:51:25 PM PST
Erich-
You brought your dvf with you.
Can DVF be considered a form of attempted bullying?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 2:52:11 PM PST
Logician says:
Disagreement is cyberbullying if one is a net nanny or holds an untenable position prone to toppling in the face of dissent. For normal, rational people, what transpires on the board is merely people expressing opinions.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 2:55:03 PM PST
Sorry, but what's a "dvf"?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 2:56:15 PM PST
Miss Carol says:
down-voting fairy

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 2:58:43 PM PST
What?!!! I've been doing it for free and now I find I could be charging you?

Hand over the bucks, my darling doctor, and let's see how much bullying you can handle. ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:00:24 PM PST
Haha. Yeah, I've had one of those following me around here for a while. I'm clearly quite traumatized by it's repeatedly cyberbullying of me.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:01:16 PM PST
Bjeans says:
Consider it a groupie.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:02:32 PM PST
Don't.
Stop.
Don't.
Stop.

Don't stop. Don't stop!

Posted on Jan 7, 2012 3:04:57 PM PST
Hitcho says:
I don't know what specific posts prompted your question but posters here often seem to get lots of pleasure from pouncing on newbies. There are multiple sarcastic replies and plain rudeness. If you were the newbie wouldn't that feel like bullying to you?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:05:42 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 7, 2012 3:08:32 PM PST
"If you were the newbie wouldn't that feel like bullying to you?"

No, not really.

The use of snark and sarcasm does not constitute bullying. Read the definitions posted above.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:07:11 PM PST
Jazzy_Jeff says:
We have a right to be as sarcastic and rude as we want. That does not constitute bullying.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:07:53 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 7, 2012 3:09:15 PM PST
Not if I were over the age of 15. In fact, I remember well being a newbie once. About six months ago. The only people that I thought were worth hearing from are funny, well-spoken and sarcastic. Somehow, it seems that sarcasm and intelligence go hand in hand on these boards. Myself excluded, of course. I am nothing but sunshine and light.

Hence my name: The Queen of Sunshine and Light. Wait . . . what do you mean that's not my name?!!?

Edited for grammar. and typos.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:10:25 PM PST
Miss Carol says:
I personally don't think that happens all that often, if the newbie comes in and asks a question without whining, acting entitled or yelling. If it's a straight question - they usually get answered with straight answers that tend to be helpful. Obviously trolls like Mr. Bowtie are the exception to that - but they don't really count. For the most part, people who ask nicely are answered nicely. I've been on the board over a year and have only seen someone get treated like you describe a couple of times.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:11:19 PM PST
I think Mr. Bowtie got poofed.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:12:41 PM PST
I always thought of you as something of fantastical mix of honey, pit-bull, a pinot noir, and loquaciousness.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:14:34 PM PST
Hitcho-
It will become apparent to you that the tone of the original post tends to dictate responses. If the original poster comes across as whiny and entitled, they are not treated with kid gloves.

This does not constitute bullying, however. Many posters when they have calmed down, ended up laughing at themselves and having a wonderful conversation.

If a question is posted and only answered by those I have on ignore or the truly rude, I will go out of my way to answer fully and completely, in a neutral tone, so the OP has a response.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:14:43 PM PST
Logician says:
If people post sarcastic replies, it's either because the issue is one that has been discussed to death or the OP posted with attitude right out of the gate. Both could be avoided if the OP either actually researched their question or posted in a manner that wasn't inflammatory.

Posted on Jan 7, 2012 3:14:45 PM PST
Peter Craine says:
Some posters label nearly any opposing view an "attack." I think the tone in this forum is generally less friendly then when I got my Kindle three years ago, but, you know, nobody forces me to come here. You just have to realize when you post a message that you can't control the responses you'll get.

I don't think anything I've seen here comes anywhere close to cyberbullying, which I generally take to be among people who actually know each other - a group of kids mock some other kid on Facebook, and everybody at school knows it's going on, which makes it pretty creepy in real life for the kid as he walks the halls between classes. Here, we are pretty much anonymous, even those of us who use our real names, so there's no "real world" harm taking place. I think there was one case where one poster claimed he or his wife received some phone calls about his messages here concerning ebook pricing, but other than that, the worst you can say is some people like to be rude, and the cure for that is to ignore them.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:15:03 PM PST
Bjeans says:
Don't.
Stop.
Thinkiing about tomorrow...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:15:34 PM PST
Really?
I cannot think of a thread he was in to check.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 7, 2012 3:15:47 PM PST
Miss Carol says:
I know - I was just using him for an example because he so obviously fit there! Plus if Hitcho has been on the board recently, the example would make sense.
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