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Initial post: Jun 22, 2012 3:13:46 AM PDT
Kitsune says:
Here's the thing I loved Obsidian Butterfly when it first came out. At some point I lost the book and hadn't read it for a while. Recently a friend gave me her copy and I eagerly dove in.

However I don't like the story anymore. I find Anita incredibly and painfully stupid in here. She picked a fight with a known serial killer who expressed an interest in dissecting her. She gets in trouble with the local werewolf pack for ignoring customs even though she bullied her way into a position of power with her home pack. She lets a vampire the council won't touch do some weird magic on her.

Really? This is the resident expert on preternatural society? All these lapses in logic killed the enjoyment I once had for this book. Anyone else run into this?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012 9:33:57 AM PDT
Magdalen77 says:
I used to re-read her first ten books all the time, but since she's been writing such stinkers I'm afraid to. I'm afraid that if I re-read the books I'll see the seeds of her current insanity and I'll lose those pleasant memories of the the old books.

Posted on Jun 22, 2012 9:59:17 AM PDT
Cleosmom says:
I end up selling or giving away all of my Anita Blake books, including my fav. Obsidian Butterfly.
I kept replacing Anita with LKH....and that was after the big blow off on her "new" board, after Rachel had left...and couldn't stomach them anymore.
I no longer go on any author message boards, although I do keep track of certain ones with facebook or their website. For me the lesson was clear, I don't want to be that "intimate" with an author ever again.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012 10:35:05 AM PDT
Maryam says:
I don't think it's possible to go back to some of the books without regret, because you can see clearly where they are going. On the other hand, the earlier books had enough action that the logic holes weren't as glaring. OB I thought was a bit over the top, and some of the graphic sexual imagery gave me pause, but the Olaf situation wasn't as obviously bad in that one. I think that was because her "I'm a bigger man than you are" vibe hadn't taken over yet. In sum, there are some books I can reread, such as "Burnt Offerings," without too much regret. However, "Blue Moon" doesn't work as well anymore for me.

Posted on Jun 22, 2012 2:24:02 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 23, 2012 3:43:52 PM PDT
Kitsune says:
I still like Guilty Pleasures, Bloody Bones, Circus of the Damned, and Laughing Corpse. I didn't even try to read Cerulean again because that was the last book I found fun back then. I'm sure I'm going to hate it now. Especially knowing what happened to that story arc.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 3:34:07 PM PDT
I bought the mp3 of Guilty Pleasures a year or so ago to listen to on interstate road trips (I had gotten back into the Dresden Files due to audiobooks and liked rereading the series once upon a proverbial time, so it seemed like a reasonable idea). I think I got five minutes in before changing to another book. The file has since been deleted mostly unheard. Part of the blame may rest on the voice actress not sounding anything like how Anita's voice sounded in my head (I tend to get huffy about that kind of trivial stuff for no justifiably good reason), but I just couldn't think of Anita as the strong, independent, sarcastic-but-still-good-hearted woman I once believed her to be. Add to that what suddenly felt like clunky writing and yes, my opinion of the older books had completely changed. I blame Marsden and Butcher respectively for spoiling me.

Posted on Jun 23, 2012 3:56:03 PM PDT
lifewontwait says:
I've kept the first 10 books, but haven't attempted to reread them because I think it would be too depressing, knowing what happened to all the characters I liked. I never really felt the same about Edward after Obsidian Butterfly, because I didn't like the idea of him with a wife and stepkids, although I might have felt differently had their characters been better developed, or the wife had been a fellow assassin or some such, sort of like Michael and Fi on Burn Notice or the movie Mr & Mrs Smith. Plus I have such a big TBR pile, I really don't have time for rereads.

Posted on Jun 23, 2012 6:28:27 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 24, 2012 4:38:26 AM PDT
Julaine says:
Obsidian Butterfly was the first Anita Blake book I read and I liked it but didn't love it. I thought Anita was TSTL and picked fights for no reason (little did I know). Later when I was hospitalized for 4 months my husband picked up the first few in the series and I devoured them one after another and he kept bringing me more. Sure I picked up the YAABI's but they were fun and full of action and snark and a wonderful alternate world and then came OB again, and I caught the hiccup and then came Narcissis in Chains.

O-O. I read a lot of erotica. Frankly my family jokes about my smut collection and I just laugh. I'm an adult and I can read whatever I want. Its the complete change in the character, ethics and morals of the narrator/heroine. The quality of the writing declined rapidly as the author substituted sex scenes for plot and churned out one disaster after another.

Anyone who claims that Anita Blake is some sort of feminist icon needs to be forced to sit down and read the series from beginning to end and see how a once confident woman has been reduced to being used as a sexual power up for an entire roster of creatures that she is unable to deny. And whatever happened to Anita Blake:Vampire Hunter? There's precious little of that happening these days.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 7:49:18 PM PDT
Magdalen77 says:
And she never seems to have sex because she wants to and enjoys it. It's always that she has to have sex to "protect her people" or so somebody doesn't die. A free woman in charge of her sexuality shouldn't have to be constantly coerced into sex.

Now from reports I've had of the last two books it seems like she's greeting the sex with a little more enthusiam. But I've also heard people say it's like, "daddy's going to come to my bed anyway, I might as well act like I want it".

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 7:54:12 PM PDT
She still talks it to death.

Posted on Jun 23, 2012 9:44:55 PM PDT
Kitsune says:
Another thing I've noticed is that her world build skills aren't as strong as a lot of other writers. I've recently gotten into the Curse Workers series by Holly Black. It's our world with magic in it but it's done in a way to show you how different everything would be.

The main focus of it is hands. Since curses work from touch everyone gifted or not wears gloves. When looking at some naughty pics Cassel, the main character, comments on how shocking it is to see a woman's bare hands. There's even some alternate history covered when a minor character talks about how Australia was where European Workers were sent. All these thing are minor but they make such a huge difference in creating a believable setting for the characters.

I really don't get any of that in Hamilton's works. You'd think there would be more accurate vampire information out there. At some point there must have been a naturalist or writer who got turned into a vamp and wrote about it. In the early books it's not as noticeable because the focus is more on the characters and the action but from Obsidian on the weakness of the world starts showing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012 10:51:44 PM PDT
Magdalen77 says:
If I talked as much as she does pre-sex I'd never get any. The man would get bored and go to sleep.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 6:37:12 PM PDT
Bitchie says:
This is the only series I've ever read where the people angst and while for pages, start having sex, and the STOP IN THE MIDDLE of sex to angst and whine a few more pages, before getting back to the sex. That scene in Incubus Dreams that "everyone" had been waiting for, between JC, Anita, and Richard. So much potential, but they kept starting, then stopping to wangst some more.

Or how they have to stop and talk the sex to death. That first scene in Blood Noir with Jason and Nate, where they went into so much "planning" of who was going to do what to whom, and in what position. *sigh*

LKH manages to make hot menage action BORING, time and time again.

Like L Stone, I read a LOT of Smut, I'm even in a Kindle Smut group on Goodreads. I have no problem reading about sex, I seek out books with good, sexy stories, but LKH just misses the mark every single time now.

And yeah, Vampire Hunter? Not any more. I've thought about doing a series reread myself, but I know that I'll just be picking them apart in my own head, so I'd rather just leave the first few good in my mind.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012 7:41:52 PM PDT
Magdalen77 says:
It makes me wonder if LKH even knows what good sex is like. If you're actually enjoying yourself, you really don't want to stop, whine and talk it to death.

Posted on Jun 24, 2012 8:09:26 PM PDT
anna says:
I tried to read GP again but couldn't. I really don't like Anita, now that I know how she's a zex drug power W*ore.

Posted on Jun 26, 2012 1:14:07 AM PDT
Kitsune says:
The weirdest thing about the older books is how much tougher Anita was. Now all she does is moan and cry while letting her boy toys act all protective. It's kind of weird that the woman who wrote a blog about how tough and jaded her muse is writes her main character as a delicate little flower who can't handle anyone being mean to her. Really in the later books Anita is always getting saved by some man while she's unconscious or otherwise incapacitated. It's kind of funny how Anita has become one of those princesses in distress Hamilton hates so much.

Posted on Jun 28, 2012 5:34:41 AM PDT
Donna Cravey says:
I think I'd have a hard time enjoying the older books (which I loved on my first/second reading), because I've learned too much about the author. Her wackiness has really ruined the series for me...even the early books.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 9:56:32 PM PDT
Cleosmom says:
Yup. I kept hearing the whining voice of lala-even with my favorite books-instead of Anita.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 10:41:28 PM PDT
Ravenly says:
I have not done any complete rereads, but I have gone back to read a scene or more because I came upon a YABBI. It's awful. I dispise Anita so much now that I cannot read the past without being disgusted. And all the problems I glossed over previously now stand out in neon. I can no longer enjoy them at all.

My collection got tossed in the big blue bin after I read Bullet. The characters literally died in that horrid book and resurrecting the past just doesn't work.

If you have fond memories- don't attempt a reread.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 11:04:19 PM PDT
Kitsune says:
I'm impressed you lasted through Bullet. I stopped buys after Danse and started skimming for the WTF conentent after the magical oral session in skin trade.

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 5:07:35 AM PDT
Julaine says:
The scene in Incubus Dreams is where by my patience snapped and I couldn't take it anymore. That was the longest wangst session I have ever seen. Either f(@@@) or don't but just stop talking about it. In real life, Anita's sex partners would have long since gotten bored, wandered off to drink a beer together and watch a ball game of some sorts on TV.

Perhaps while taking a few of those vacations she is so fond of blogging and tweeting about she should read some good erotica and see how others go about scorching the pages with scenes so hot they almost burn your fingers. If she asks, I'm sure we could all come up with a decent suggestion or two to point her in the right direction.
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