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Initial post: Feb 23, 2011 7:34:55 AM PST
Dan Walter says:
Collateral Damage: A Patient, a New Procedure, and the Learning Curve (Volume 1)

Posted on Mar 11, 2011 6:53:57 PM PST
Montana says:
Very interesting.

Posted on Mar 12, 2011 1:05:01 PM PST
American "Medicine" is NOT a science.
Ask your doctor.

Posted on Mar 26, 2011 10:07:34 AM PDT
Leta says:
I have not read the book. Americans, in my opinion, ask more questions about the purchase of electronics and cars than they ask about their bodies.
Doctors are just educated in one field; medicine. Not Gods. Trust me, they can not know it all.
So, when you make an appointment, make sure you take the time afterwards to LEARN what the doctor told you concerining your body-ask for the copies of the reports and study them. Get second opinions- Become educated in you own health.

Posted on Apr 9, 2011 7:10:22 PM PDT
pedspulmMD says:
While I have not yet read this book (but plan to), I must comment that the only way we can train new physicians is by having them practice under the supervision of a more experienced physician. It appears that the supervision was significantly lacking in his wife's case. Also, there is NO reason for not disclosing the truth about who was performing the procedure and who was at fault.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 10, 2011 7:31:34 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 10, 2011 9:37:35 AM PDT
Dan Walter says:
Thanks for the reply. I think everyone understands that physicians must be trained by practicing under supervision. But not only is it unconscionable to lie about who DID perform the procedure, it is unconscionable for Dr. Hugh Calkins and Johns Hopkins to systematically lie to the patient before hand about WHO WOULD BE PERFORMING the procedure.

We are all lab rats to these people, and they get away with it on a regular basis.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 10, 2011 9:57:26 AM PDT
ColdShot says:
most people are too scared to ask questions and just accept doctors orders....

it's like idol worship....complete with sacrifices of your money....

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 10, 2011 10:27:53 AM PDT
Dan Walter says:
That's so true. And everyone is conditioned to be afraid to complain or make trouble after they are injured. People are held accountable in every other business. If the Jiffy Lube ruins your car, you have no hesitation about calling them out publicly, but when a doctor ruins your health, you might post about it on a website, but very few people will name names.

Posted on Apr 11, 2011 11:09:42 AM PDT
M. Cyra says:
I have always told friends, family and patients...You have to be an aggresive health consumer!
Mike Cyra

Posted on Apr 22, 2011 6:30:11 PM PDT
Jred says:
Dan, you can't do much. I was warned not to pursue anything against Cleveland Clinic because then no doctor in my entire state would accept me as a patient. You get blacklisted. Unless you are someone "important", then you just don't have any power. In a way, I am glad I had medical problems as a young adult because now I know better than a regular unsuspecting, trusting person, how to protect my own children's health. I question everything and I research a lot. There are a lot of decent doctors out there but quite a few bad ones too. Plus, doctors protect each other at our expense. As I needed on-going care, I did not dare put anything out there in public. I noticed that when a doctor messed up and hurt the actor Dennis Quaid's twins, they got sued. However, us little people would not likely win. I have no illusions that hospitals care about me or my loved ones. They care about $.

Posted on Apr 23, 2011 11:02:35 AM PDT
Dan Walter says:
I think it is vital that you do what you can. I certainly understand that you would feel constrained by the very real threat of being blacklisted as a troublesome patient.

I was told more than once that you could not beat Johns Hopkins, that to say things in public about doctors was to expose yourself to legal action, that you cannot fight the system. I wrote and edited this book over three years, live on the internet, and when I first began Hopkins threatened to sue me if I did not cease and desist.

But I wrote the truth--and there is nothing they can do to me.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and for things to change, people are going to have to get over the intimidation factor and start naming names. Here's what a patient safety advocate said about my book, and I believe it:

"...I have not seen anyone do what Dan has done, with detailed research documents that use the doctors' own words against them. The value of Dan's book is in the fact that it lays bare an example of the issue that lies at the base of our skyrocketing medical costs and our skyrocketing rates of medical harm. I think it is a bombshell. But people need to understand the significance of what he is saying."

What I'm saying is that in the internet age, these guys have no place to hide and that it is not only possible to tell the truth, but that it is vital that we do.

Posted on Apr 30, 2011 11:26:35 PM PDT
Dan -

What I find even more depressing - with this kind of case in mind - is that Barbara Starfield, MD's landmark study, more than a decade ago listed American doctors as our 3rd leading cause of death . . .

And her report was a JOHNS HOPKINS' PRODUCT.

Lord love a duck, we just don't seem to learn very quickly, do we.
America's Dumbest Doctors: Ever wonder about yours?

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2011 12:48:18 PM PDT
C2015 says:
If everyone knew how frequently new and learning surgeons performed our surgery they'd freak! Of course no one wants to be the first or even tenth but we are.

Posted on May 2, 2011 3:29:51 PM PDT
Anymore doctors are afraid of doing anything because of frivolous lawsuits being filed. I agree there are some bad doctors out there and there are boards out there who will deal with them. There will always be checks and balances. Doctors do not know everything. They are making an educated and scientific guess. The human body is very intricate hence why there are so many specialties for doctors. Even a great doctor is bound to make a mistake, they are HUMAN. We need to acknowledge this fact and always seek a second opinion from a medical professional. Many doctors are no longer practicing because of the high malpractice insurance they have to pay, not to mention the cost of completing medical school. They work long hours than most people do and deal with more stress and must use more of their brains then the average person. New doctors must learn at some point as does anyone else. They have received many hours of training for just one part of the field. Please walk in the shoes of a new doctor for one day and than come back on here and make some complaints.

In reply to an earlier post on May 2, 2011 4:08:47 PM PDT
Dan Walter says:
I'm not talking about honest, human mistakes by a rookie. My book is about deliberate, calculating betrayal of a patient's trust by an experienced physician.

Posted on May 2, 2011 5:11:41 PM PDT
Who may be so busy himself because everyone is getting shafted by someone higher up in the medical field. In a place that I worked, nurses and CNA were constantly blamed for negligence, because heaven forbid, they can't spend every moment of their shift on just 1 patient. No, we are given 15 or more patients and asked to watch over all of them, many of them needing total care. I am sure it is the same for doctors if not worse that they have to delegate. Maybe, they should have told you (they may have planned on doing the surgery and something more serious came up), but would you have had the surgery? No, you would want someone with years of experience, but they were expecting a routine surgery. Yes, there are some bad doctors that are out there, but I do not believe all of them are bad, I do believe a lot of them feel under pressure especially with all this malpractice. One I talked to said there are days he is ready to quit because of worrying of malpractice suits. What happens than when we, as a people, scare off all of the doctors? This book may send out an unnecessary scare to everyone and I hope that somewhere in there, you do stick up and acknowledge the good doctors who work hard, long hours and do everything they can to help their patients. Really, the issue lies more with the corporate, people running the hospitals and doctor's offices than with the doctors themselves. They give everyone (CNA, nurses, doctors, etc) these almost unachievable goals, while they sit comfortably in their office making the money that should be spent hiring more help. Healthcare workers are very much overworked, underpaid, and unappreciated. They are the ones whose feet should be held to the fire when someone chokes to death in a room, or someone falls, etc because the CNA and nurses were too busy to notice with their 15 or more other patients.

Posted on May 2, 2011 9:14:26 PM PDT
RLJ said:

"This book may send out an unnecessary scare to everyone, . . . ."

To those of us who research & investigate criminal doctor behavior, there is literally no such thing as "unnecessary scare."

As long as doctors refuse to report their incompetent, unethical and/or criminal peers; and as long as their actions contribute at least in part t0 400-500 innocent dead citizens every day of the year . . . .

"Unnecessary scares" are in reality lifesaving shouts from the belfry.

The sad reality is, if physicians properly policed their profession, those of us on the outside wouldn't have to.

In reply to an earlier post on May 4, 2011 5:33:46 AM PDT
Dennis Cejka says:
I am a former Licensed Practical Nurse, and although I know some things, I ALWAYS question my healthcare providers about tests, treatments, and medications for myself and loved ones. NEVER trust that doctors, or nurses for that matter, are right 100% of the time. If something is not familiar to you, ask for detailed information that you can understand. Also, read up on health and illness issues. You are the Number One person on your healthcare team management.

Posted on May 4, 2011 3:01:15 PM PDT
Dennis -

Bravo. Thank you for speaking from a nurse's point of view.

You may be interested to know, that in my early research into the off-the-chart volume of physician shenanigans, I put the word out on dozens of nursing websites (and an excellent one is AllNurses.com) asking for examples of bizarre doctor behavior. Within 90 days or so, I had over 400 nurse responses, and they provided the foundation for my book, "America's Dumbest Doctors."

Incidentally, I only accepted stories if they included names, dates, times & at least one other source of verification of the events.

So your advice to the folks that they absolutely must be the Captain of their own health care, is right on target.

And I do thank you for your service to folks in need. The finest people I've ever known, are nurses.

In reply to an earlier post on May 4, 2011 3:03:46 PM PDT
And if everyone had a clue how many sales reps stand in the O.R. and teach the surgeons "as they go" the applications of new products . . .

Well, you get the idea.

In reply to an earlier post on May 4, 2011 3:15:01 PM PDT
"Frivolous" medical lawsuits are extremely rare events, although physicians try very hard to convince the public otherwise.

For those in doubt, I have a little experiment for you: Scribble down an imaginary medical "screw-up" that suits your fancy, then pull out the phone book and try to find a lawyer to take your case.

I betting you give the whole, seriously involved "show me lots of facts first" process up, long before you find an attorney willing to take your case.

Now, are there MDs out there sued everyday who shouldn't be? Of course there are. And that's a shame.

But the reality is the overwhelming number of patients injured or killed due to Med-Mal incidents are 10 times more than those whose families bring suit.

And in far more than half of the cases that go to trial, the jury finds for the DOCTOR, not the patient.

And in those cases where the doctor or hospital loses, the money recovered is a fraction of what most people would think they would be. We hear all about the monster money wins: That ain't the norm.

The fact's are simple: When errant health care stops killing 400+ innocent citizens each day, insurance premiums will follow suit.

And when the otherwise ethical MDs out there start living up to their Oath, and report the ugliness they witness by their peers, this entire subject will be a moot point.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2011 4:39:22 PM PDT
Dan Walter says:
Boy, you got that right. It is extremely difficult to a) get a lawyer to take your case and then b) prevail in court. This "tort reform" is a load of BS to further protect dangerous doctors.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 5, 2011 1:21:46 PM PDT
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Posted on Jul 8, 2011 8:33:06 PM PDT
MD says:
Vert well said...

Posted on Sep 14, 2011 4:52:52 PM PDT
Jred says:
Yes, it is such a myth that it is easy to sue a doctor or anyone in the profession. I could not even get an apology from Cleve. Clinic when both an administrator and a PA lied to my face. Later I got a phone call saying the PA "had retired" and the admin "left the job."
Had I been someone like Dennis Quaid. I am sure I would have gotten a profuse apology. If you have on-going medical problems, you are stuck. You dare not get yourself blacklisted. I know several people who should have sued doctors and did not. I don't know one person who has sued and I know tons of people. Doctors love to cry about the lawsuits but if you research it, there are not that many. We do hear about some of the bigger disasters in the media (like cutting out the wrong body part) but only because that is big news. No one cares about the regular people who are abused. I agree that most nurses are great but there are a few sadistic ones, like anywhere. I tried to get legal help when I was pregnant and could not get help with my chronic illness because no one wanted to have any "liability" so I was left to suffer. But if I had chosen an abortion, no problem. I offered to sign off on any legal rights but the doctors all said "it would not hold up in court." Lesson: when pregnant you can kill your baby at almost anytime but you have no rights to have help with your medical condition due to doctors who worry about possible legal outcomes.
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