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In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 5:10:07 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
@A.C. --

I don't enjoy discussing politics, but if nobody does it, then
(1) we authors will be stuck isolated in MOA forever
(2) the Amazon book shopping interface will continue to be flawed, providing indie authors (And Amazon) with sub-standard marketing

In reply to an earlier post on May 13, 2012 5:12:57 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
@Will --

Ah, Wales, home of the only true Britons, kin of Uther and Arthur !!!

I long to visit Wales, Ireland and Scotland, but I don't believe it's ever going to happen. Health. Money.

Posted on May 14, 2012 3:47:06 AM PDT
Oldog, wait a few years until the oceans rise, and you can float across the pond on a table with a sail....

Posted on May 14, 2012 6:14:09 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 14, 2012 6:16:04 AM PDT
SilverShadow says:
Hey there everyone,

Dropping in for a promotional visit for now, but will definitely be popping in and out of the cafe from time to time to discuss supernatural fiction. Especially how people might use the stories that are already around, and how they change these to their own ideas; if they do at all?

Wondering if I can entice you with my newest novel, Conner? It has already recieved 4 and 5 star reviews on various paranormal romance blogs. I'll include the overview and a short excerpt here, but you can also read the first four chapters as a sample from the link above.


Erin is a young psychologist, with no time for anything but her work, and unable to remember anything about her past. She leads an uneventful life, but a lonely one, in which she secretly wishes for a soulmate...

Conner is an unusual patient who approaches her, thrusting her into a strange world of darkness that runs beneath our own. He believes himself to be a creature of legend-a werewolf. But he also draws Erin with a roguish charm, and an irresitible feeling that seems to bind them together...

Conner desperately tries to save her from an unknown evil that persues her with a relentless passion that crosses centuries, an evil that once took her very soul away, somewhere in Erin's lost memories.

As she becomes more entwined in a series of events that will remind her of who she really is, will she make it away from the oncoming darkness unscathed...?


'...The armchairs were turned away from Erin, so she jumped, startled, when she heard a deep smooth, Irish voice come from one of them.
"If you're going to come in, please close the door."
Erin swallowed slowly, and then nervously closed the door behind her with a heavy click. She walked over to the armchairs, her heart pounding loudly in her ears. She had worked with several patients over the years, but she still grew nervous when coming face to face with them. As she drew in front of them, she took a second to eye up the young man in front of her.
He looked the same as in his photo, perhaps a few years older than her, about twenty-eight or so. He was intently reading a book, completely disinterested in everything around him.
He was dressed simply, in jeans and a blue sweater. As Erin came closer, he raised his
amber eyes and looked her over coolly.
"Hello, Conner. My name is Dr Erin Miller." She held out her hand for him to shake; but instead he took it and kissed it gently.
"Charmed. I am Conner Woods." he smiled up at her.
Erin withdrew her hand quickly, blushing slightly. This was a rather unusual way of greeting her new patients. He may have had mental issues, but he was certainly charming, and you couldn't ignore his rugged good looks. He looked at her again, an amused smile playing on his lips. Conner waved his hand towards the other chair, leaning over and placing his book on a small wooden table next to his chair.
Taking her bag off her shoulder, she sat down and pulled out a pad of paper, a pen, and a Dictaphone.
Conner moved himself so that he was facing her directly, and folded his arms. Cocking his head slightly, he looked at her distrustfully.
"What will you be using those for, then?"
"Well, these are just for me to take notes." Erin smiled, feeling a little calmer now. She settled herself more comfortably into the chair. "Now, I think we should start with-"
"Don't you want to know why I asked for you?"
Erin stared for a second, surprised by the outburst. "Pardon?"
"Don't you want to know why I asked for you?" Conner raised himself from his chair, and walked over to the window.
He turned and looked at Erin, brushing back some of his soft ebony hair absent-mindedly.
"Not for the moment, Conner. Wouldn't you like to sit down?"
He sighed, heavily, and pressed his forehead against the window. Conner closed his eyes and spoke softly.
"Do you know what it's like to run into the middle of nowhere and feel absolutely free? To be at the top of a hill, looking down on woods, and farmland, and villages, and towns, and know you are free to roam amongst them all? To feel lighter than air, and full of something so much bigger than you or anyone, as the wind coldly blows through your hair? To feel the tremor of the earth as you stand on top of it, feeling its pulse above everything else? I do, and now I'm confined to this."
Conner's voice trembled as he turned and waved his arm at the luxurious space. "So, no,
Dr Miller, I will not sit down." he replied, mockingly....'

Thanks again everyone, enjoy! :)

Posted on May 14, 2012 6:27:03 AM PDT
No Win War???

The New American for November 9, 2009, has an interesting article on General Barry McCaffrey's statement that the US "faces 10 more years of war in Afghanistan" and that the US should "focus upon a long and expensive nation-building process for Afghanistan's tribal culture." There seems to be a mindset in the establishment for the US to maintain a long term presence in the MidEast.

For a long time, the US has operated in the region through hidden agendas. In his book, The New World Order, Mr. Pat Robertson, states that George Bush 1 suggested that the fate of Kuwait was not the main issue, "launching the New World Order was the main thing." Mr. Robertson further writes, "By words and by silence, the United States flashed Saddam Hussein a green light" ... to move into Kuwait and suggests this was used as a pretext for the 1st Gulf War...the implication is that Saddam was entraped with Green Light Diplomacy but there was a much larger agenda(hidden) for moving against Hussein...........

For the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the evidence suggests that the US and its allies are not doing all that can be done to win this war and there is some agenda for prolonging this conflict.

The Advocate quotes Hillary Clinton(Dec. 7, 2009, p. 5A), stating it is "hard to believe" that no one in Islamabad knows where the al-Qaida leaders are hiding and couldn't get them "if they really wanted to."

In the aftermath of 9.11, the bombing of the wrong escape route out of Afghanistan into Pakistan and the nighttime airlift by the US of the Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives that were allowed to escape(The New Yorker, Jan 28, 2002, p. 36); Gary Berntsen, the head of the CIAs team at Tora Bora said they tracked bin Laden and (he) "...could have been caught."(Newsweek, Aug 15, 2005, p. 5); There is evidence that the Pakistani ISI is funding the Taliban and knows where they live but dont arrest them.(Time, Nov. 29, 2004, p. 44)

There is a strategy by the Pakistani government "...which pays tribes and insurgent networks to attack each other with a goal of preventing any one group from getting too strong".(US News, Oct 13/Oct 20, 2008, p. 24)(a strategy used by the Brits) Pakistani Ambassador, Haqqani presents evidence in his book that the Pakistani military and ISI make "...the pretense of arresting militants in order to get funds from Washinton. But it never shut down the networks."(Newsweek, May 11/May 18, 2009, p. 29)

The CIA never takes a junior partner role with any of these groups and we have to assume wants this to continue. The New York Times(Oct. 27, 2009) reports that Karzai's brother is on the CIAs payroll and is a suspected player in the opium trade which finances the Taliban.

All of this only contributes to a more chaotic situation which feeds a hidden agenda for a "no win war" and prolonged conflict at the expense of American boys and girls lives!!

woody voinche

Thought you might be interested in this email....check the sources
and the

book i have written...MidEast ChessBoard...on
woody voinche


One of the most important issues today is the war in Afghanistan-Pakistan and the fact that US
Military Aid to Pakistan is being used to fund the Pakistani ISI which is in turn funding Taliban
and Al Quada fighters. While this has been reported sporadically in the media for whatever
reason political pundits on the left and right have effectively ignored this issue.

Joe Klein in an article for Time, August 9, 2010, p. 19, has written an article that every American
citizen should go to their library and read, he writes,

"The commanders are unanimous in their belief that the ISI is running the show....And so,
despite professions of alliance with the US by Pakistan's then dictator Pervez Musharraf, a
decision was made to keep the Taliban alive. A spigot of untargeted military aid from the George
W. Bush Administration helped fund the effort. A commander of the vicious Haqqani Taliban
network tells Waldman that their funding comes from 'the Americans--from them to the
Pakistani military, and then to us.' Waldman reports that the commander receives from the
Pakistanis 'a reward for killing foreign soldiers, usually $4000 to $5000 for each soldier killed'".

American tax dollars if not directly, then indirectly are being used to fund the Taliban and put
a bounty on American boys and girls head... Makes one wonder why the establishment right
or left is not reporting on this? If the right is covering for
the mistakes of the Bush administration...why is the establishment left not reporting on this???
...this is the most important issue of the day...we will never win a war where if not directly then
indirectly the US is funding the opposition!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 7:30:56 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
Hi Woody --

I'm definitely with you in being a critic of the US involvement in two unilateral invasions of the sort that my grandfathers and father fought *against*.

However, your message is completely off-topic in the Supernatural Cafe, and I am going to ask you to kindly delete your posting.
Click "Edit this post", then click "delete post". Thank you very much in advance for your considerate response.

Larry the Oldog

In reply to an earlier post on May 14, 2012 7:40:29 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
Hi M. Stork --

Thanks for bringing your Promo to the Cafe.

I've never been much of a reader of Supernatural Fiction, but I'm intrigued by it. As soon as my reading gets caught up, I'll probably become one of your readers. Your writing is high-quality stuff; I'm attracted by classy writing, even if I'm not sure where the story is going to take me.

Posted on May 15, 2012 4:48:53 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 4:49:49 PM PDT
MTBerlyn says:
M. Stork wrote: "Especially how people might use the stories that are already around, and how they change these to their own ideas; if they do at all?"

Interesting question. For myself, inspirations usually come out of the blue, although I find some incorporation of similar themes in the genre (Supernatural/Suspense/Paranormal) unavoidable; however, the core story and characters are not renditions of familiar players. It can be a risk to go beyond the confines of tried and true plot menus and stage actors, but at the same time I wonder how loyal one is to one's own creative spirit, if the only thing one writes is basically recycled stories? When I think of timeless writers, the voice and theme stand out as unique and individual. Still, it is always a risk to go beyond trends.

In reply to an earlier post on May 15, 2012 7:48:13 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
MTBerlyn, M. Stork and all --

** Still, it is always a risk to go beyond trends. **

Who do you write for? Do you select a specific audience and write for what you perceive their interests to be?

Posted on May 15, 2012 8:38:52 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 15, 2012 8:41:16 PM PDT
MTBerlyn says:
Speaking for myself, I write for an adult audience who enjoys a supernatural story with a good dash of dark mystery and suspense. A trend, as I see it, would be to recycle, for instance, the vampire romance theme, rather than explore a unique landscape to stir the imagination for the reader of the Supernatural genre. YA is very trendy now, which is neither here nor there, but the percentage of adults who turn to that genre as not, makes it somewhat difficult to market the book without coming across as rejecting the YA genre altogether...which is not my purpose, for I have no argument with YA writers or readers. For my own work, I perceived an audience interested in something a little different. It has not been easy.

Posted on May 17, 2012 3:44:59 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
Most weeks the Cafe is going to serve up an AUTHOR'S SPECIAL, on your choice of white, light rye, dark rye, and chewy 10-grain.
The featured flavor this week is **Developing A Brief Hard-Hitting Promo Pitch**. Don't like advice in any flavor? Then walk on by and select something you like.

Will MacMillan Jones is a citizen that every MOA resident ought to know. I believe that "MacMillan" is Celtic or Welsh for "helpful dude". Will runs a MOA thread with a powerful and useful challenge: develop a 30-word Promo Pitch that you can pull out of your hat (or somewhere) when you need to attract the attention of someone in publishing or marketing.

It has been suggested on his thread that you might be able to use the same promo for buyers, or that you might want to develop a family of Promos for YR's, YA,s and adults, for example. I like the fact that Will does not patronize participants with false encouragement. He will come at you with questions or comments that will make you think about how your Promos might be improved.

Here's where to go for this wonderful learning experience:
** Post Your Pitch: The 30 Word Challenge (The Return) **

In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2012 10:05:46 AM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
Posted on May 14, 2012 6:27:03 AM PDT
Woody M. Voinche says:
No Win War???

The above posting to Supernatural Cafe is completely off topic and therefore inappropriate here.
I would be grateful if those who follow and participate in this thread would click "Report Abuse" on Woody's posting so that perhaps Amazon will delete that SPAM from the Cafe.

In reply to an earlier post on May 20, 2012 8:27:13 AM PDT
MTBerlyn says:
I think the best that can be achieved with Woody's hit and run is to down vote. I did report as inappropriate on your behalf, but see it has made no difference. I assume this is because the comment, while annoying, is not blatantly abusive.

Posted on May 20, 2012 8:30:43 AM PDT
Tom_Conrad says:
If Edgar Allan Poe were a ghost he would haunt this book, probably! Rich Pickings For Ravens is a ghostly tale with humorous smut, murderous mystery & page turning intrigue - FREE now LAST DAY OF PROMO.

Rich Pickings For Ravens (The Afterlife Crisis Trilogy)



I hope you can find time to download.

Much appreciated,

Tom Conrad.

In reply to an earlier post on May 20, 2012 8:43:10 AM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
@MTB --

Yes, I guess we'll have to rely on the DV button. I really hate to DV, especially since watching DV fairies stalk friends (and me at one point) DV'ing every post no matter what.

In reply to an earlier post on May 20, 2012 8:52:39 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 20, 2012 8:57:39 AM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
I'd like to say that if you have not picked up a copy of Tom Conrad's Rich Pickings for Ravens FOR FREE, you're missing the boat (and an enjoyable boat ride). I have a TBR list that I am pretty faithful to, but I have a couple on my Kindle right now (Tom's being one of them) that I keep sneaking extra peeks at.

It has a little of the quirky flavor of Dean Koontz's Odd Thomas trilogy so far.

Posted on May 20, 2012 9:57:00 AM PDT
MTBerlyn says:
I understand the hesitation on the down voting issue. It kind of takes away from things when used indiscriminately. I do hope your cafes work out well, for writers and readers to mingle. It's nice to know what's out there, but also to discuss thoughts about any given genre; why one writes it; why one reads it.

I picked up Mr. Conrad's book and others mentioned previously.

In reply to an earlier post on May 20, 2012 10:09:52 AM PDT
Tom_Conrad says:
Thanks, Oldog. I really appreciate that. Once you've read it, if you do have time to, a review along those lines would be marvellous. Thanks so much!

Posted on May 31, 2012 1:58:00 AM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
It's time for the Cafe to offer another Author's Special, advice and information for those of us who find gratification in the art of literary composition; on the house, of course. If you don't care for advice in any flavor, then just walk on by this offer and try one of our other virtual beverages and taste treats.

I believe that every author ought to have a frequently-used copy of The Elements Of Style on their writing desk. This handy and inexpensive book resolves annoying little issues (and big issues) regarding the use of words and punctuation in writing Standard English. From the correct use of the apostrophe to "Words and expressions commonly misused", TEOS helps you keep your writing technically correct, straightforward, and attractive to the professional ear. You can choose from a variety of slightly different versions of the original editions by William Strunk Jr. and E.B. White. I just "upgraded" to Strunk's 2012 edition (45 pages) prepared by the author with input from his colleagues at the Cornell University English Department.

FWIW, I do not recommend Kindle editions of reference books. I find it ever so much quicker and easier to find what I'm looking for in a paper version.

Of course, this is not the only reference book a serious writer should have, but it is arguably the most essential.

Now the quiz. Which one of these 3 sentences is technically correct Standard English?
1. "He only found two mistakes."
2. "He found only two mistakes."
3. "Only two mistakes were found."

Posted on May 31, 2012 2:02:22 AM PDT
Ali Cooper says:
There are supernatural undertones by way of past lives in The Girl on the Swing

Likened to The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger and Second Glance by Jodi Picoult

Do you believe you've lived before? Julia does. Since she was a child she's had dreams, memories and visions of what she believes are previous lives.

She doesn't pay much attention to these flashbacks until her grown-up son dies and, at the same time, she's suspended from her job as a doctor. With her present day life - including her marriage - falling apart around her, Julia turns to her past lives as an escape.

For the first time, she meets someone whom she recognises from a previous existence. She is drawn to get to know him. But while, in the past, he was her teenage sweetheart, in this life he's a murderer. Present and past entwine, culminating in a dramatic conclusion.

Set in Nottingham and Lyme Regis.

The Girl on the Swing

Also by this author,

Bloody Scared (writing as Melanie Dark).

Posted on May 31, 2012 9:34:58 AM PDT
THE DRAGON'S POOL - The Jade Owl Legacy - Book III - 704 pages

The Jade Owl has disappeared again, but the spirits that do its bidding have not. Curator-General Rowden Gray is faced with his most colossal challenge so far as he and the China Hands ride the whirlwind to the Dragon's Pool, revealing its secrets and its destiny. The third book in The Jade Owl series, The Dragon's Pool will keep you deep between its covers all summer.

5 Book series - others published are:
The Third Peregrination (The Jade Owl Legacy)
The People's Treasure (The Jade Owl Legacy) and
coming June 2012 In the Shadow of Her Hem

Here's the opening paragraph THE DRAGON'S POOL - The Jade Owl Legacy - Book III:

The gay kid watched over his shoulder on this dark Castro night, knowing that the men followed him. Anxious, his panic increased along with his pace. No guessing. They were following him. His heart beat double time. His eyes scanned ahead for a safe haven. He hastened. An alleyway was coming up on his right. He could find shelter there, but it could also spell - dead-end. Still, something had to be done. No time for dumb indecision. In the dark alley, he could blend with the trashcans. Perhaps he could discover an unlocked door. Or a fence to leap. His pursuers were hulks - two of them. He, however, was sinewy and young - fifteen in his Nikes. He could outrun them . . . possibly. They were gaining on him, matching his pace. They would bash him . . . no doubt. So he pressed his Nikes to the grayment, and then sprinted into the alley, speed and chance his only hope now.

Edward C. Patterson
author of The Dragon's Pool

In reply to an earlier post on May 31, 2012 5:47:57 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
Hi Ali, Hi Edward --

What a netful of fine looking SuperFi Promos -- I'll definitely be looking these over !!!

Thanks, both of you !!!

Posted on Jun 14, 2012 10:48:32 PM PDT
John S says:
"...a chilling observation on adulthood that can easily be paralleled in our own society. A wickedly dark ending in an already dark story makes "Alicia's Schoolmate" truly enjoyable." - Tangent Online

A monster living in the basement of a former church that's now an experimental hospital; a little girl alone in an empty school during a zombie apocalypse; a treasure hunter meeting his ultimate nightmare-the treasure he's spent his life seeking; a high-powered executive picks up her favorite tabloid to find herself pictured on the cover, as the latest victim of a serial killer; a ladies' man visited by strange women in the night who leave scratches all over his body, and keep coming back; a love story between a princess and a strange woman living in a swamp; a strange old man who keeps appearing to a boy long after he has grown up and left town; lesbian vampires, bands of killers, a doorway into a nightmare parallel world...these are the characters who people my collection LOVE HAS A TASTE: THE STORIES OF JOHN STEPHEN WALSH.

"...the reader soon anticipates a moralistic comeuppance. In this, Walsh does not disappoint...Revels in its own grossness, delights in its depiction and punishment of evil." - Douglas Hoffman (on "Toys Left Behind in the Abortionist's Waiting Room")

I grew up on Ray Bradbury (RIP), Harlan Ellison, Richard Matheson, and grew out on Thomas Ligotti, Samuel R. Delany, Thomas Pynchon, Poe, Lovecraft, Jonathan Carroll, Ursula K. LeGuin, Roger Zelazny, Ethan Canin, Raymond Carver, Kate Wilhelm, Jack Kerouac and the stories written by crazed writers whose works have a pulse.

"These are the kind of stories that make you shudder, shake, and wake up in a cold sweat. This author might be the new Stephen King! Nothing is off-limits in these tales of horror and apocalyptic terror. Lock the doors and cuddle up tight before daring to venture into this gruesome collection of horrific short stories. Reading one of these stories a day might not keep the doctor away, but you might need prescription sleeping aids! Bravo and encore. Bring on more of this stuff. I ate it up."--David Forsythe, author of VOYAGE OF THE DEAD

LOVE HAS A TASTE ($2.99, four stories available individually for .99 each) is the first of three volumes containing my previously-published short stories and many new ones. The third volume will include a chapter from my upcoming post-apocalyptic coming-of-age epic PARADISE GATES. Volume Two of the series should be out sometime this summer, with Volume Three in the fall.

Please check out the book and four of the stories available individually, and post feedback, I'd love to hear what folks think.

Posted on Jun 15, 2012 7:44:42 AM PDT
Breathless (The Cordelia Chronicles) - 99 cents
With more than 20,000 copies sold for Kindle worldwide, this is a summer must-read. When tall, dark, and mysterious Chaseyn Lear arrives in the small town of Evergreen, Colorado, high school senior Lia Jameson's life is turned upside-down. An unexpected twist of fate unravels a long-time family curse that puts Lia in the center of a supernatural drama and threatens her life.

Wanderlust (The Cordelia Chronicles) - $2.99
Lia Jameson is excited to embark on the journey of a lifetime with her best friend, Addie, and the jock who's out to make her his own, Eli. There's just one catch. Alexei is no longer the only vampire eager to get his fangs on her. With Chaseyn out of the picture, Lia must try to keep Addie in the dark about her dangerous secret, while a bevy of new undead allies make every effort to help Lia journey across the European continent unscathed. Will she escape the evil clutches of Alexei? Will she return to Chaseyn? All of these answers and more can be found in the pages of Wanderlust.

Posted on Jun 15, 2012 9:24:45 PM PDT
Oldog_Oltrix says:
It's time for the Cafe to offer another Author's Special, advice and information for those of us who find gratification in the art of literary composition; on the house, of course. If you don't care for advice in any flavor, then just walk on by this offer and try one of our other virtual beverages and taste treats.

One of my favorite gifts is a copy of _Characters & Viewpoint_ by Orson Scott Card, a scholarly yet very readable 226-page trade paperback. If you're looking for a read that is almost certain to make you a better fiction writer, this is one you should consider seriously.

One of Card's observations caught my eye today, and I felt compelled to pass it along to you: "One of the surest signs of an amateur story is when strange or important events happen around the narrator or point-of-view character, and he doesn't have an attitude toward them." I re-read the quote and analyzed it carefully, and noted the key phrase "STRANGE OR IMPORTANT EVENTS".

For the price of your admission today, you're going to get two pieces of advice. The first, from one of our most prolific and respected authors, you have already received. If something strange or important happens and you don't have your "voice character" respond to it, you are going to look like the most inept kind of literary doofus.

The second piece of advice, from your 69-year-old literary nobody Cafe host, is the flip side of Card's card; if you waste your reader's time having your "voice character" repeatedly reacting to ordinary or trivial events, you run the risk of appearing equally inept and foolish.

Now there is an important difference between these two pieces of advice. Card's observation is one of those "must do" commandments. If something significant to the story line occurs, you really lose credibility if your "voice character" doesn't display a reaction to the event. You also lose a crucial opportunity to manipulate your reader's feeling toward your "voice character" and perhaps other central characters as well as an opportunity to manipulate the direction of the story line.

The second piece of advice, my advice, is not a hard and fast commandment. It is simply a caution that you'd better have a pretty darned good reason for having your "voice character" react to an ordinary or trivial event, and you'd better follow up on it soon.

An example, s'il vous plait: "Mayor Dillingham left the meeting, and through the window I watched him pitch his expended cigar butt into the street. His Honor is a pig, fouling our town's environment wherever he passes by. I cannot abide the man."

It's hard to imagine a reader who isn't left with a "what was that all about?" feeling about this apparent over-reaction to a trivial event. It's hard to imagine a reader who isn't awaiting some clarification in the near future. Having displayed a character's unusual attitude, a competent author is now obligated to explain it further and soon. Why did you create this unusual attitude? Is the narrator a neatness freak? Does the narrator have a grudge against the mayor? Who is unlikable here? The narrator? The mayor? Both?

Having created the incident, you must now make use of it soon or wear the "dunce" hat.
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