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Initial post: Feb 27, 2013 3:10:12 PM PST
A customer says:
I never noticed how rare this is until I made the following list. I'm looking for instances where a band starts with a masterpiece right off the bat, then goes and makes another one right after it. When I say "classic", though, I'm not using the word loosely. Two solid or even excellent albums in a row don't count. We're talking true, timeless, genre-defining *classics* here.

Deicide: Deicide / Legion

Entombed: Left Hand Path / Clandestine

Mercyful Fate: Melissa / Don't Break The Oath

Obituary: Slowly We Rot / Cause of Death

Pestilence: Malleus Maleficarum / Consuming Impulse

That's it. I've racked my brain, and that's all I could come up with. Serious honorable mention to Black Sabbath. While their debut IS timeless and obviously genre-defining, the album's continuity is too wishy-washy for me to consider it perfect. Help me out here!

Posted on Feb 27, 2013 5:16:52 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
I believe these fit your criteria 100% sir. The fact you omitted them suggest to me you might disagree...we shall see.

Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments / Retribution

Gorguts - Considered Dead / Erosion of Sanity

Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness / Blessed Are The Sick

Atheist - Piece of Time / Unquestionable Presence

hmmmmm.....

Posted on Feb 27, 2013 5:21:53 PM PST
Ash Krueger says:
DIO- Holy Diver/The Last in Line
Iron Maiden- Iron Maiden/Killers
Motley Crue- Too Fast for Love/Shout at the Devil
Witchfinder General- Death Penalty/Friends of Hell
Overkill- Feel the Fire/Taking Over
Candlemass- Epicus Doomicus Metallicus/Nightfall
Nine Inch Nails- Pretty Hate Machine/The Downward Spiral
Dust- Dust/Hard Attack
Blue Cheer- Vincebus Eruptum/Outsideinside
Carnivore- Carnivore/Retaliation
Cirith Ungol- Frost and Fire/King of the Dead
Ozzy Osbourne- Blizzard of Oz/Diary of a Madman

Sadly, some of my favorites didn't follow that formula. Alice Cooper didn't hit their stride until their 3rd album, Saxon their 2nd, Motorhead their 2nd, Deep Purple their 4th, and so on. Not that I didn't like a lot of the early records from those bands but they certainly weren't indicative of what was coming later.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2013 5:55:33 PM PST
A customer says:
Yep, I gave every one of those consideration. All four barely missed the cut. ALL of those are great albums. I would only consider two of them to be true timeless classics, however (UP and AoM).

Posted on Feb 27, 2013 5:55:44 PM PST
A customer says:
I did think of one more, thanks to Ash's mentioning of Dio.

Rainbow: Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow / Rising

That's a definite. Carnivore is without a doubt debatable. There is a certain mystique around those two records, for sure.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 27, 2013 6:25:32 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
I would definitely categorize The Ten Commandments as a timeless classic. A song like Premature Burial is one in a billion if you ask this guy.

Posted on Feb 27, 2013 8:11:56 PM PST
What about
Black Sabbath-Black Sabbath and Paranoid. Actually the first 6 Sabbath albums are brilliant

Posted on Feb 27, 2013 8:14:41 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 27, 2013 8:23:47 PM PST
Celtic Frost- To Mega Therion
Autopsy- Mental Funeral
Dark Angel- Darkness Decends
Sodom- Persecution Mania
King Diamond- Abigail
Broken Hope- Bowels of Repugnance
Eyehategod- Take as Needed for Pain
Carcass- Symphony of Sickness
Sanctuary- Into the Mirror Black
Slayer- Hell Awaits
AIC- Dirt
Iron Maiden- Killers
Earthride- Vampire Circus
Napalm Death- F.E.T.O.
Hallows Eve- Death and Insanity
Dead Youth- Writhing
Malevolent Creation- Retrobution
Saint Vitus- Hallows Victim
Anthrax- Spreading the Disease
High on Fire- Surrounded by Thieves
Black Sabbath- Mob Rules
Helstar- Remnants of War
Possessed- Beyond the Gates
Onslaught- The Force
Atrocity- Longing for Death
Las Cruces- Ring Master
Vital Remains- Into Cold Darkness
Cancer- Death Shall Rise
Kreator- Pleasure to Kill

Posted on Feb 28, 2013 6:12:34 AM PST
C. Harding says:
Metallica - 'Kill 'Em All' & 'Ride the Lightning'
Megadeth - 'Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good!' & 'Peace Sells... but Who's Buying?'
Cradle of Filth - 'The Principle of Evil Made Flesh' & 'Dusk...and Her Embrace' (I know I might catch flack for this one, but I think those two albums are classic)
Decapitated - 'Winds of Creation' & 'Nihility'
Cynic - 'Focus' & 'Traced in Air'
Alcest - 'Souvenirs d'un autre monde' & 'Écailles de Lune'

Actually......I think I might catch flack for everything here. But I don't care, these are all absolute classics IMO. I'd include Suffocation, too, if the production on 'Breeding the Spawn' wasn't so horrible. It also pained me to leave off Opeth, but they didn't hit their stride until 'My Arms, Your Hearse' IMO.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2013 6:28:51 AM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
I really dig those two by Cradle of Filth. Principle of Evil Made Flesh is effing bad a s s, and Dusk and Her Embrace gets down right mean and nasty at parts....good stuff.

Posted on Feb 28, 2013 7:30:28 AM PST
JMAN says:
Sentenced - Shadows of the Past and North From Here
Incantation - Onward to Golgotha and Mortal Throne of Nazarene
Master's Hammer - Ritual and Jilemnický okultista
Root - Zjevení and Hell Symphony
Venom - Welcome to Hell and Black Metal
Bathory - Bathory and The Return
Dismember - Like an Everflowing Stream and Indescent & Obscene

Posted on Feb 28, 2013 9:02:42 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 28, 2013 9:17:18 AM PST
Zaplightning says:
Satyricon - Dark Medieval Times / The Shadowthrone

Posted on Feb 28, 2013 10:22:40 AM PST
metal maniac says:
What about
Black Sabbath-Black Sabbath and Paranoid. Actually the first 6 Sabbath albums are brilliant

100 percent AGREED!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2013 1:11:46 PM PST
A customer says:
The only choice I'll unholster the flack cannon for is Decapitated. As good as those albums were, they did NOTHING original.

Posted on Feb 28, 2013 1:26:06 PM PST
AUTOPSY - Severed Survival/Mental Funeral

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 28, 2013 1:33:10 PM PST
C. Harding says:
Ian, that's fair, I can't argue your point. I still love 'em, but you're right, they weren't anything new.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2013 8:19:53 AM PST
Bobage says:
Decapitated did nothing original, but Traced In Air is a classic...ok.

Posted on Mar 1, 2013 9:43:01 AM PST
C. Harding says:
LOL! It is to me. ;-)

Posted on Mar 1, 2013 12:08:54 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 1, 2013 12:09:18 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
I sort of get this funny feeling when the "original" comments come up concerning death metal. I get it, it's a style that has been around and to some (a lot) of people, a new band comes out that could be construed as very similar, they make it a point to say it is in fact, not original, not breaking any new ground, etc. I always kind of see that as a useless statement.

When Winds of Creation dropped, that was a pretty hot album, the riffs and drums and vocals are yes, in an established style, but, I would say very much in a specific Decapitated vein. They put their mark on those songs bigtime, I don't think they sound like other bands. It's Polish death metal, and doesn't sound like worship of Floridian death metal as much as a lot of death metal bands can sound like. Then Nihility? Spheres of Madness - I mean, that is most definitely original, to me anyways. Unless we're really splitting hairs here. The followup Negation - that album is like a platoon of T-1000's slaughtering droves of people with incredible precision...just tight, mean, and violent songs, love it. Three Dimensional Defect? Whoa.

Then Organic Hallucinosis is a riff attack. It is a Panzer Tank Riff Blitzkreig. It destroys. If we are just talking the first two, I'd say original for sure. Timeless classics, perhaps another debate, but definitely original.

and damnit...why isn't every single Cynic demo printed and readily available to the public .... there's like four.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 1, 2013 12:11:38 PM PST
A customer says:
I never said that. Traced In Air is good, but not a classic. To clarify, Decapitated was the only choice of Harding's that I didn't even see as being debatable; it was just a flat, objective "no".

But you already knew that.

Posted on Mar 1, 2013 12:27:07 PM PST
C. Harding says:
Between this and the guac vs. salsa debate, I'm really stirring the controversy pot. Sorry folks.

Ian even gave me a hard time for my Big 5 Tour thread. Sheesh! You can't win here! ;-)

Posted on Mar 2, 2013 9:12:47 AM PST
Metallica...kill/lightning
megadeth...killing is my business/peace sells
ozzy...blizzard/diary.

these three come to mind right off the bat.
honorable mention: van halen I and II

Posted on Mar 6, 2013 12:51:42 PM PST
Exodus Bonded by Blood - Pleasures of the Flesh
Monstrosity Imperial Doom - Millenium
Atheist Piece of Time - Unquestionable Presence

These 3 are my picks off the top of my melon.

Posted on Mar 6, 2013 1:59:56 PM PST
Kevin Beirne says:
Forbidden - Forbidden Evil and Twisted Into Form

Come on now these are hands down timeless classics - the both of em...

Posted on Mar 7, 2013 5:56:14 AM PST
Justin G. says:
Scanner: Hypertrace and Terminal Earth
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