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Peace. Love. Michael. Us. (Vol. VIII) [former "Cry"]

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Posted on Aug 7, 2012 12:11:01 PM PDT

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 12:41:17 PM PDT
Sarah Jax says:
You`re not alone, sweetie♥

Posted on Aug 7, 2012 11:54:50 PM PDT
PYT says:
Me too, I was just saying on another thread that I think Latoya was correct in saying that Michael would have wanted a viewing with an open casket for his fans. Allowing us to say goodbye. I think they do big viewings like this for royalty or the pope. I think it would have brought some closure for us to see him lying there looking stately and at peace.

It is sad how Paris is grieving and has to use cutout of mag just like fans. She is entitled to keepsakes and photos of her dad too. The estate needs to get it together. I hope she has some videos and that everything will not be auctioned off or sold.

Posted on Aug 8, 2012 6:53:01 AM PDT
J. Leone says:
Paris has no problem speaking her mind on Twitter. I wonder why she hasn't said anything about not being able to keep anything belonging to her father? You'd think she would have said, "I had to use magazine photos because the estate won't let me have personal photos." She probably has personal photos framed in her room. She wasn't around for all the different eras of her father, so probably the only pictures she would be able to have from days gone by are from photo shoots and concerts.

Posted on Aug 8, 2012 10:49:27 AM PDT
no name says:
Please excuse me for posting this twice. Posted it also on the Spike Lee thread. Thought it was such a terrific interview about Michael and Lee spoke of Michael in such a caring way.
Plus I have no doubt all of us are anxiously waiting to see this film. Surely it will be on a dvd after the big screen!! Please, Please, Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spike Lee was on Reverend Al Sharpton's TV show "Politics Nation" (on MSNBC at 6:00 PM, EDT, Mon-Fri) yesterday (Aug. 07, 2012).

Lee said "Bad 25," his documentary about Michael will be shown on August 31, 2012, at the Venice Film Festival in Venice, Italy.

Lee said he was contacted by Sony Records and the Michael Jackson estate and was asked to make the documentary of the making of the "Bad" album.
He told how he had full access to Michael's archives so there is stuff in this no-one has ever seen or heard before. He talked about the genius Michael was and the HARD work Michael put into his art and the HARD work
Michael put in to perfect his craft.
He compared MJ's hard work to Michael Jordan's hard work. Like we see Michael Jordan doing the great things on the court but we don't see him working out in the gym running or lifting weights.
He said we will see the hard work Michael put in.
Lee even said someone wouldn't have to be a Michael Jackson fan to love this film. (Of course I don't understand anyone not loving our precious Michael!!)!!

They said this will be out next month but did not give a date.

Lee's new movie "Red Hook Summer" opens this Friday, Aug. 10, 2012.

I really did enjoy this interview and the gentle tone of his voice when he was talking about Michael.
Have to say he cracked me up when he kept calling Rev. Al "Baby"!! lol

no name

Posted on Aug 8, 2012 12:37:19 PM PDT
NYFon says:
no name,

do you have a link to this Rev. Al Sharpton interview? Thanks.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 5:38:54 PM PDT
PYT says:
Good point J. I think it will come out as they get older. She was and is a lil kid. She probably does not understand the value of keepsakes yet. But who really knows. I am not sure that she has not made a statement like you mentioned before. I have not looked thru her tweets to find out if she has ever said anything about it but her Aunt Latoya certainly mentioned it. Why would she lie?

But the tweets I did see I never see her posting mementos and I believe she would if she had them cuz she posts a lot of stuff, sadly it is the same things his fans have access to, she does talk of getting tattoo of her dad's bdate in hopes to feel close to her dad .

If they sell off everything it will be more expensive to replicate Neverland.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 7:42:34 PM PDT
Reggie says:
J - I don't know how to send U my email unless I give it to U here because I don't twitter or facebook. tell me how to do it without showing it here please. L.O.V.E. Reggie.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 8:50:59 PM PDT
Suze says:
Are we sure this is her account? The person wrote:

thatjacksonchickk my new wall💗💗💗 **took me 3 effing hours**

wow, not nice language to use on the net.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 10:21:52 PM PDT
PYT says:
Susie I am not sure about thatjacksonchikk but yes she actually used that language to post on her twitter page about the mural she put on her bedroom wall.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 10:26:52 PM PDT
J. Leone says:
I don't know what company you use for email, Reggie, but the one I use allows you to make a "throw-away" account that you can use instead of your real one. Maybe you can check and see if you can do it too. Perhaps someone here who is more computer savvy than me, can help you with this.

Posted on Aug 8, 2012 10:28:28 PM PDT
J. Leone says:
People were commenting on the article about her mural on Yahoo and they were talking about her language and how "nice" it was to be used by a fourteen year old girl. I'm sure grandma would not be happy! Perhaps T. J. can guide her a bit on this.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 10:29:30 PM PDT
J. Leone says:
PYT: LaToya has a history of lying. She sold Michael down the road in 1993 when he was at one of the lowest points in his life.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 10:49:23 PM PDT
Suze says:
Now I know her dad would not approve, she is only 14. Also she has many, many followers.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 8, 2012 10:50:41 PM PDT
Suze says:
I almost died the other day when I saw an old interview she gave, it was sad......his own sister.

Posted on Aug 8, 2012 11:25:31 PM PDT
PYT says:
Yes, I know Latoya did an interview. She was beaten so badly that she was about to die and was made to say those statements by her gangsta hubby. She was mentally abused. See she and michael were very sheltered and anyhoo. Michael forgave her so why shouldn't we? She said she actually did not even have to explain it to him. She said that Michael knew she was made to do it.

What gets me is that they still had family and friends in Gary, like why didn't they get some Gary gangstas to deal with this mob dude. They would have killed him for a 6 pack of old E. I certainly do not condone violence, but her ex husband needed to feel threatened at the very least. He was threatening to kill her and Michael and it would seem they ( the family )could have paid for some security or tough guys to handle the situation.

But her hubby isolated her from her family. (reoccurring theme for her and Michael) and he was allowed to create so much travesty in her life.

Finallly Randy came to the rescue. If I had all them brothers I would not have hesitated to call for help, but she was probably embarrassed and in shock and a whole lot of other things at the time.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2012 2:05:51 AM PDT
Scarlett says:

Paris said in the Oprah interview that Michael tried to keep them from finding out who he was (as far as fame goes) but it didn't go so well. Perhaps she's fascinated with the huge volume of posters and pictures of her Dad and decorates her wall with them. I don't think the kids realized that Daddy was THE Michael Jackson.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2012 11:00:43 AM PDT
YANA Girl says:
I am sure that Paris has a strong bond with her father. Perhaps she wants to connect with his fans in the way that Michael did. She would know that MJ loved his fans so maybe she also wants to see her father as the fans do.

She knows Michael as her father so maybe she wants to know more about Michael the superstar, genius, humanitarian, etc. For all we know she could be studying and learning about him behind the scenes too.

Posted on Aug 9, 2012 11:35:31 AM PDT
Suze says:
It's none of my business but now she is (allegedly) tweeting that she wants to get a tattoo on her back.

from her "account" is this account real??

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson

i kinda want to get August XXIX tatted on my back..


From the article on NBC (can't believe they publish this stuff on a news site):

The 14-year-old daughter of the late Michael Jackson tweeted to her followers Tuesday, "I kinda want to get August XXIX tatted on my back." Michael was born on August 29, 1958.

The announcement launched a debate amongst her fans, with some arguing that the famous teen is too young to get a tattoo. "LOL y'all are trippin' trying to tell me not to get the tat, when you guys don't even know what it means . . . it's my dad's bday. Get over it. LMAO."

She's only 14....this is sad. Someone needs to talk to her...imo.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2012 4:08:00 PM PDT
no name says:

Couldn't find it on MSNBC. They don't put the Rev.'s full show on like they do some of the others.
You can tweet @PoliticsNation or

Found this through Google.

I had dvr(ed) it so I referred to it when I was posting about it.
Hope you are able to see the entire interview.
Dang! Want to see the movie!!!

no name

Posted on Aug 9, 2012 4:56:57 PM PDT
no name says:

This is the link posted on for Spike Lee's interview about the documentary about Michael.
It's talked about towards the end.

Posted on Aug 9, 2012 5:56:43 PM PDT
NYFon says:
Thanks, no name. I had found it yesterday and transcribed it, and have been meaning to post it. Below:

Al Sharpton Interviews Spike Lee

SHARPTON: Welcome back. It has been 26 years since Director Spike 
Lee burst on to the filmmaking scene with his comedy, "She`s Got to Have 
It." He has been stirring things up ever since with his latest film "Red 
Hook Summer" opening this month, Lee is back in Brooklyn with another slice 
of life from the place where he grew up and whose story he continues to 

Joining me now is director extraordinaire, Spike Lee. Spike, it`s 
good to see you. Thanks for being here tonight.

SPIKE LEE, DIRECTOR, "RED HOOK SUMMER": Thank you. And I know why 
you have to be in Florida. So, keep it up, baby.

SHARPTON: Yes, well let me ask you about that. I want to talk to 
you about the film. But I`m down here in Florida to fight this voter 
suppression efforts you have been watching and -- and helping to get 
fairness. How do you assess where we are when we see voting laws changing 
all of a sudden?

LEE: I have a few words for it, Rev. It`s skullduggery. It is the 
okey-doke. You know, they are trying -- pull the bamboozle. The leaders 
are astray. You know, you want to run amok. It is -- it is the okey-doke. 
And you knew what happened the last time in Florida. So, there`s more 
shenanigans. Shenanigans.

SHARPTON: All right. Now, let me ask you, you were there at the 
convention in 2008. You and Grant Parker Mite (ph).

LEE: I was right there with you, baby.

SHARPTON: Yes. And you were -- the president even came to your 
house. Did a fund-raiser recently earlier this year. Where do you think 
the President is now in this election? You have been quoted as saying, it 
is going to be tight, do you think people are going to come out, do you 
think the President`s going to be successful? How do you handicap the race 

LEE: Well, I think it is going to be tight because you see -- the 
other guy is going to pull all type of tactics. And, you know, when you 
start talking, using cold words like welfare and -- you know, Nixon`s call 
out Willie Horton`s brother. You know, people get desperate. You know, 
they are going to do whatever they want to do to win.

SHARPTON: Now, you -- I read somewhere that you met Mitt Romney once. 
What do you think of him?

LEE: At the moment we met, he was not running for the president of 
the United States of America. I was in Reagan Airport in Washington, D.C. 
I was in line to buy something. He was -- I was like two, three people in 
front of him in line. And we turned around and say hello, shook hands, and 
that was it.

SHARPTON: Do you think that the base of voters enthused yet or 
there`s going to need to be more done to get them enthused?

LEE: No. I think that stuff is really not going to pick up, Rev. 
In my opinion, until school starts. When the summer is over, that`s when 
people are going to -- who have been asleep are going to wake up and say 
you know what, I got -- I got to do this, I got to help. I think it is 
going to -- it is going to be a -- a late arriving crowd.

SHARPTON: All right. That`s fair. Let me ask you, you are probably 
one of the top filmmakers in American history.

LEE: Well, that`s debatable but go ahead, Rev.

SHARPTON: And you --

LEE: And thank you for that Brooklyn love.
SHARPTON: Yes, well, but it is true. You have done some sensational 
movies, some classics. Now you are going back to Brooklyn.

LEE: Yes, sir.

SHARPTON: And I have seen the film that you have coming out later 
this month -

LEE: Opens Friday, Friday, Friday.

SHARPTON: It`s coming out this Friday.

LEE: In New York.

SHARPTON: Tell me why you are going back to Brooklyn and what you 
are trying to communicate with this film.

LEE: Well, Rev, I wouldn`t say I`m going back to Brooklyn because I 
feel I have never left. Brooklyn, I was not born in Brooklyn. I was born 
in Atlanta, Georgia. I moved to Brooklyn when I was a year old. And it is 
a place I love. I think Brooklyn -- if you look at the history of Brooklyn 
and all the people that have come from there, there`s no other place like 
it in the world.

So -- what "Red Hook Summer," what I call -- it started with "She`s 
Got to Have It" in 1986. That was Fort Greene "Do The Right Thing" with 
Bed-Stuy. Crooklyn was Bed-Stuy. "He Got Game," Coney Island. "Clockers" 
was Born Hill. So, this is -- and "Red Hook" is one of the most unique 
neighborhoods. I mean, it is really strange -- I mean, you got -- go out 
to get -- out of your way to get there.


LEE: And also, Carmelo, people -- you know, he grew up in Baltimore. 
Carmelo Anthony was born in Brooklyn and raised in the Red Hook Project.
SHARPTON: Yes. You make that point in the film.

LEE: Yes.

SHARPTON: I was reading a review in "The Huffington Post" and says, 
the film, "It feels like his most theatrical work in a decade or so, "Red 
Hook Summer" is a solid and often fascinating return to a very specific 
form from one of our most interesting filmmaker, warts and all. It`s a 

LEE: I saw how you left out that warts and all line.


SHARPTON: I brought it back. I brought it back. And I understand 
you paid for it yourself, shot it in 19 days.

LEE: Yes.

SHARPTON: Your first film was "She`s Got to Have It," shot in 12 
days, also shot in Brooklyn.

LEE: Right.

SHARPTON: Are you returning to his film making roots here?

LEE: No, Reverend. I think that some people got it this kind of 
twisted as "Red Hook Summer" might decorate and saying, I no longer work in 
Hollywood. That is not the case. For me to tell this film, I had to 
finance it myself. It was not going to be made any other way. That`s what 
it came down to.

SHARPTON: What`s changed in the film industry in the last two 
decades? Is it harder or easier for people to get films done? Is it 
harder for African-Americans, is it harder for new talent? What is 

LEE: What is changed, Reverend, is it is harder for everybody. 
Because when we are growing up, the big blockbuster films came out for 
Memorial Day to Labor Day. Now big blockbuster films come out 12 months a 
year. And so -- for a lot of studios, they are only looking to make films 
and going to make -- gazillion dollars. And they don`t feel it is worth 
their time to make films that are -- full profit and so, therefore, it`s 
really hurt the diversity of the films being made and the subject matter, 

SHARPTON: Now, let me ask you this. As this film is opening this 
Friday, and I have already seen it and I am sure people that are -- know 
your work anticipating another Spike Lee joint and you never moved your 
offices out of Brooklyn. But I need to ask you about something else. 
Aside from Brooklyn both you and I share, Michael Jackson, in fact, you and 
I sat together at Michael`s memorial where I spoke -

LEE: Yes. At the Staple Center.

SHARPTON: Yes. At the Staple Center. I understand that you are 
coming out with a documentary on Michael.

LEE: Yes, that is true, Rev. I was -- contacted by Sony Records and 
the Michael Jackson estate to do a documentary about the making of the 
"Bad" album. So it is done, the world premiere is going to be in the 
Venice Film Festival August 31st in Italy. And the thing about this Rev is 
that I had full access to Michael`s archives. So there is stuff from his 
documentary that has never been seen before. Never heard before. And it 
is great.

Even if I made -- I`m still saying, it is great. And you don`t have 
to be a Michael Jackson fan to really love this documentary. Because it 
really shows you a genius Michael was and also the hard work he put into 
his art. He just would wake up and do this. He worked hard to perfect his 


LEE: So often, as you know, we just see -- we just see Michael Jordan 
doing the great thing. We didn`t see him in the gym, in the weight room, 
running. I mean, this documentary we see the work Michael Jackson put in.

SHARPTON: Well, that`s going to be exciting. And nobody works 
harder and does more things than you do, Spike Lee.

LEE: What about your man -- I have to take the mantle from your man, 
Godfather of Soul, Rev. James Brown. Hardest working man.

SHARPTON: You know, I wasn`t going to interrupt you closing on that. 
Spike Lee, "Red Hook Summer" opens Friday in New York and elsewhere. We 
will be seeing it all over the country this month. Later this month. 
Opening around the country. Spike, good luck with your film and thank you 
for coming in tonight live. Spike Lee.

LEE: Keep doing that great job down there in Florida. Because 
that`s when Shenanigans down there, baby. Shenanigans.

SHARPTON: Thank you, Spike. We will be right back with the final 
world from Miami.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 9, 2012 6:39:35 PM PDT
S. Wilder says:
Thanks for that transcript, NYFon. And I detect that Spike would do a great job on a doc about the Florida voting "shenanigans".

Posted on Aug 9, 2012 10:03:59 PM PDT
Martha says:
Thanks NN for the link and Nyfon for all your hard work. <3

Posted on Aug 9, 2012 10:32:57 PM PDT
NYFon says:
Yes.... I've been meaning to watch his doc "When the Levees Broke," and haven't got around to it yet. I think the "shenanigans" would be a great subject.

Spike's a busy guy these days. Among other things, he's directing Mike Tyson on Broadway....
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