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Initial post: Nov 25, 2009 11:34:52 AM PST
One quote which could now be used in regards to Michael is one from "Anne of the Thousand Days", when Queen Anne Boleyn faces the court musician Mark Smeaton at her trial after he has been tortured into confessing to committing adultery with her, and he is intially too beaten down and despondant to admit his innocence.

"...Poor gentle singer.." Anne muses, sympathetically.

Another one is Plato's reflection on the death of Socrates:
"The soul takes flight to the world that is invisible. At there arriving, she is sure of bliss, and forever dwells in Paradise."

Can you think of any others?

Posted on Feb 9, 2010 7:11:52 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 9, 2010 7:55:11 PM PST
One from Danielle Steele's "Zoya" about a Russian Countess who loses her family in the Revolution and rebuilds her life in America:
"Time has a mysterious kindness. It gives back to us what we have lost through wisdom and memories."

Posted on Feb 9, 2010 7:30:31 PM PST
avidreader says:
Here is a favorite poem of mine, by James Kavanaugh

"There Are Men Too Gentle to Live Among Wolves"

There are men too gentle to live among wolves
Who prey upon them with IBM eyes
And sell their hearts and guts for martinis at noon.
There are men too gentle for a savage world
Who dream instead of snow and children and Halloween
And wonder if the leaves will change their color soon.

There are men too gentle to live among wolves
Who anoint them for burial with greedy claws
And murder them for a merchant's profit and gain.
There are men too gentle for a corporate world
Who dream instead of candied apples and ferris wheels
And pause to hear the distant whistle of a train.

There are men too gentle to live among wolves
Who devour them with eager appetite and search
For other men to prey upon and suck their childhood dry.
There are men too gentle for an accountant's world
Who dream instead of Easter eggs and fragrant grass
And search for beauty in the mystery of the sky.

There are men too gentle to live among wolves
Who toss them like a lost and wounded dove.
Such gentle men are lonely in a merchant's world,
Unless they have a gentle one to love.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2010 7:36:56 PM PST
tabccb says:
Thank you. For some reason today, this really hits home. With all the recent tributes and success of This Is It, I had forgotten this essential truth.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2010 8:12:41 PM PST
Stephanie says:
Beautiful poem and so relevant to Michael.

Posted on Feb 10, 2010 11:34:00 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jul 12, 2012 2:14:43 PM PDT
Another one that comes to mind are the musings of Elaine Finley, the ex-girlfriend of Olympic Runner Steve Prefontaine in the movie about his life:
" He's dead, and it's final. No amount of misery or suffering by me is going to bring him back...."

Posted on Feb 10, 2010 1:25:30 PM PST
izzyb says:
"i am sitting here with the book again,
the world contained in my hands.
heavens crash and the globe spins,
rain falls. i see you in this moment of history
as it builds mountains before you, and you climb,
climb in your words. you halt,
astounded
by a flower, or you climb near a chasm,
your hands gripping stone but your eyes to the stars,
lonely traveler, dual thing, bearing the name
of man, your feet faltered on rock, but oh,
there is something of God in your look.

it frightens me here in the walled garden
where i see the death of the world
in the death of a dragonfly
and immortality in the ever-blooming again
of the rose. i move about, watering plants,
brushing leaves off the bricks, and wait
on the caterpillar who moves to the oak,
where in a matter of hours; he will be mudded in
for magic affairs. and i wonder if God makes designs
for my own flight in this crawling i do, this slow
incubation. apprenticed here in the garden,
i look up and am awed by your climb up
the mountain--O friend, such a mountain!
so awed, that tears wash my face.
i dissolve in your words."

Violette Newton

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Posted on Feb 25, 2010 1:06:55 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 4, 2010 11:07:41 AM PST
A few more...
One from friend, Liz Taylor's role as Cleopatra responding to the death of Marc Antony: "There has never been such a silence..."
And another from William Wordsworth's "Ode: Intimations of Immortality"
.."What though the radiance which was once so bright
Be now for ever taken from my sight.
Though nothing can bring back the hour
Of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower.
We will grieve not , rather find strength in what
Remains behind...."

Posted on Mar 4, 2010 11:09:59 AM PST
The closing lines of Juba in the film, "Gladiator":
"Now we (you) are free. And we will see you again. But not yet. Not yet."

Posted on Mar 8, 2010 2:00:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 10, 2010 7:16:30 PM PST
Here's one from "Auntie Mame"--housekeeper Nora Muldoon's address to the title character: "You're odd, but you're loving."
C'mon now, guys. Doesn't anyone want to give me a run for my money here?

Posted on Mar 9, 2010 6:49:46 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 29, 2010 1:45:41 PM PDT
Rob Stoneman says:
"Knowledge is power".

Bacon

"More men are ennobled by study, than by nature"

Cicero

"Do not accept any situation, question, argue and explore".

Quote for Tin Man

"A threefold cord is not quickly broken".

Quote for Lion

"Uneasy that lies the head that wears a crown".

Shakespeare

Quote for the fake wizard

Showers are expected late tomorrow

Quote by Scarecrow

"Success, fame and fortune, they're all illusions...all there is that is that is real is the friendship that two can share".

Dorothy to Scarecrow

"You're the one who figured out how to find teh yellow brick road and how how to destroy Evillene and every smart move we've made".

Dorothy to Lion

"You wouldn't even give up when Evillene strung you up by your tail".

Dorothy to Tin Man

"You have more heart than anyone I know".

Dorothy to Glenda

"Please, is there a way for me to get home".

Glenda

"You were wise and good enough to help your friends find what was inside them all the time. That's true for you also".

Dorothy

"Inside of me? I don't undesrtand".

Glenda

"If we know ourselves, we are always home, anywhere. Home is a place we must all find, child. Home is not just a place where you eat or sleep. Home is knowing your mind, knowing your heart, knowing your course".

If you believe in your heart, you'll know

That no one can change the path that you must go

Believe what you feel and know you're right
because the time will come around when you'll say it's yours

Believe that you can go home

Believe that you can float on air

Yes, click your heels three times,
if you'll believe, then you'll be there

That's why I want you to believe in yourself,
Yes, right from the start

You got to believe, believe in the magic,
right there in your heart

Go ahead and believe in all these things

Not because I told you to

Now, go ahead and believe in yourself

Believe... ooh yeah!

Believe in yourself... ooh, yeah, yeah...

Believe in yourself as I believe in you!

Posted on Mar 9, 2010 7:28:07 AM PST
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Posted on Mar 9, 2010 9:12:37 AM PST
Rob Stoneman says:
"This isn't fun anymore, the dream is over".

Ken Kesey

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Stephanie says:
Nice one ME

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Posted on Mar 10, 2010 12:02:53 AM PST
be kind says:
Love everyone's posts....

For me, the most ironic and tragic scene is of Michael in Ghosts when he is confronting the Mayor and says: "You are trying to scare me, aren't you? Well, then I guess I will have to scare you." For me, when I thought about this, Michael scaring me would be to lose his glorious light that made my days brighter and for many in the world.

Also, I find this scene haunting and very painful to watch because it seems such a truth of art imitating life. The sadness on the children's faces and my own soul screaming inside with a resounding "NO!" It is the scene where Michael asks them if they really want him to go and the Mayor says "YES!" So Michael falls down and says "Fine. I'll go." Then he breaks himself up and dissolves into ashes and the wind carries him away.

Posted on Mar 10, 2010 12:07:09 AM PST
be kind says:
I have loved this poem for many years. I find it so perfect for Michael.

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

by Rudyard Kipling

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 10, 2010 11:15:49 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 10, 2010 11:17:49 AM PST
Bravo, BK! I've thought of that one, too!And also of the one Rob Stoneman posted.

Posted on Mar 10, 2010 1:01:52 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 10, 2010 2:37:11 PM PST
Rob Stoneman says:
My quote by Ken Kesey is at the end of a book about him by Tom Wolfe released around '67.

Not exactly, The Right Stuff.

Tom Wolf opens the book where he is seeking to meet and be introduced to Kesey through a mutual acquaintance.

It is the middle 60's at the height of Ken Kesey madness, the author follows his antics a couple years.

The book ends around the time Kesey packs up his bags and moves back home to Portland after a life of excess in California and being chased by the law.

He is in a tavern in Oregon putting on a light show with some of his old friends.

The spark isn't there.

The room is dead for the world, nobody wants to attend the show.

It's just Kesey and his friends with some of their old toys.

Paul McCartney said that sort of experimentation involved the addage, you can never go home, and Paul was unsure about that, because he liked himself and didn't need to be purged, but in the end who are some of the greatest pressure there is...

The Beatles!

I have long hair but I would never want to be a head, why do you think they are called that.

I ask you, who wants to live in their head?

I am proud of my hippie roots but I am fortunate my foray into counter culture is much more innocent buying and listening to The Mamas & The Papas as a child and steer away from a life of excess.

I'm around MJ's age, I'd much rather be like him and his brothers and get off the couch and do something with my life.

A lesson well learned.

I don't buy into the beat generation, too seedy for me.

Posted on Mar 10, 2010 7:15:33 PM PST
I'd like to add "The Beatitudes" ( Matthew 5:3-11).

Blessed are the poor in spirit: For theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: For they shall be filled.
Blessed are the pure in heart: For they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: For they shall be called the Children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake; For theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you , and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for My sake.

I don't know if Michael would have been 100% in accord with that.But a lot of it suits him.

Posted on Mar 11, 2010 1:29:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 11, 2010 1:33:03 PM PST
Rob Stoneman says:
The Sermon on the Mount

Good news for children, the elderly and ailing.

Something for everybody~

Love and mercy.

Posted on Mar 11, 2010 1:32:36 PM PST
Rob Stoneman says:
Hope!

Posted on Mar 13, 2010 10:46:46 AM PST
An excerpt from "Les Miserables" when Jean Vajean, tells his adoptive daughter, Cosette, the name of her mother, which was "Fantine", in a verse that expresses the hopes that many have for Michael's children:
..." Fall on your knees whenever you pronouce it. She suffered much. And loved you much.Her measure of unhappiness was as full as yours of happiness.Such are the distributions of God. He is on high, He sees us all, and He knows what He does in the midst of His great stars..."
This part of Valjean's final address could have been Michael's last words to his children.
"So I am going away, my children. Love each other dearly always. There is scarcely anything else in the world but that: To love one another..."

Posted on Mar 13, 2010 4:32:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Mar 30, 2010 12:29:56 PM PDT
From Book 14 and Chapter 15 of "War and Peace"

" Life is everything. Life is God Everything changes and moves and that movement is God. And while there is life, there is joy in consciousness of the divine. To love life is to love God. Harder and more blessed than all else is to love this life in one's sufferings, in innocent sufferings."
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