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Initial post: Jan 15, 2012 10:33:43 AM PST
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Posted on Jan 15, 2012 10:36:03 AM PST
My starting vote:

Woody Allen--9
Frank Capra--12
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--10
Frederico Fellini--10
David Fincher--10
John Ford--10
Howard Hawks--10
Alfred Hitckcock--9
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--10
Steven Spielberg--10
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarentino--10
Lars von Trier--10
Orson Welles--10

Capra +2 overrated
Hitchcock -1 not overrated
Allen -1 not overrated

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2012 4:57:05 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 15, 2012 4:58:38 PM PST
Jonathan says:
Alight, I'll play. To clarify, though: once a director gets to zero (0) they are safe and removed from the list? Or below zero?
Hope this isn't confusing to fellow voters.

After our game master,

Woody Allen--9
Frank Capra--12
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--10
Frederico Fellini--9
David Fincher--10
John Ford--9
Howard Hawks--10
Alfred Hitckcock--9
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--11
Steven Spielberg--10
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -10
Lars von Trier--11
Orson Welles--10

Nolan & Trier each +1 (OVERRATED!)
Fellini & Ford each -1 (not that overrated: Fellini in the 1950s is actually underrated today, and not enough is known of Ford's vast, colorful career by most viewers... for all his deep flaws, Ford is still a great director.)

** Request for possible write-in candidate: Terry Gilliam. Didn't at least a couple of us agree on his OVERRATED status? I know some of us agreed about Michael Winterbottom.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2012 6:07:03 PM PST
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Posted on Jan 15, 2012 6:35:11 PM PST
Aft William

Woody Allen--9
Frank Capra--12
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--10
Frederico Fellini--9
David Fincher--10
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--10
Howard Hawks--10
Alfred Hitckcock--7
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--11
Steven Spielberg--10
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -10
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

-2- Alfred
+2+ Lars

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2012 6:49:27 PM PST
Jonathan says:
WilliamAS,
Thanks.
Aside: I just read a first hand account of Terry Gilliam's high-handed manner of filming 'Baron Munchausen' that goes a long way to explaining why Sarah Polley gave such an uncharacteristically nerve-wracking performance.
You said some caustic things about her before, at least about Polley in that role, and I believe there is an explanation for that it you're interested.
She says the experience of being on that big, dangerous, chaotically managed set, when she was only 8 years old, was deeply psychologically unsettling, and she felt fearful for her life and to this day ducks at any loud noises (because the "genius" Gilliam had live explosions going off right near her face without warning, among other incidents of his "style" of getting the reaction he wants from actors.)
This is neither here nor there for this thread, and I don't mean to waste any more bandwidth on it, but I think Sarah Polley is a very gifted actress ('The Sweet Hereafter'; 'Guinevere'; 'eXistenZ'; 'My Life Without Me'; 'Don't Come Knocking',) and she has come into her own as a director of worth ('Away from Her' and 'Take This Waltz' are in my view better than anything Terry Gilliam has done, and far above what most of her Hollywood peers are involved in now.)
My third favorite Canadian cineaste now (after Maddin and Cronenberg!) Wait, is Michael Snow still making films?....

Posted on Jan 15, 2012 8:50:15 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 15, 2012 8:55:01 PM PST
JMM says:
My picks:
-1 Fincher
-1 Nolan
+2 Allen

I think that both Fincher and Nolan are great filmmakers, I enjoy all of their work and thus do not believe they are overrated. On the other hand, I am not a big fan of Woody Allen (though I do love "Match Point"), so he's overrated in my view - particularly this year for "Midnight in Paris" (which I thought was very average).

Revised:
Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--12
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--10
Frederico Fellini--9
David Fincher--9
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--10
Howard Hawks--10
Alfred Hitckcock--7
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--10
Steven Spielberg--10
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -10
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

**Also, may I ask at what point the "game" ends - when only one filmmaker remains? Perhaps we should each subtract 3, and add 2, which would accelerate the removal process a bit. Otherwise, this will never end.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 15, 2012 9:13:00 PM PST
Jonathan says:
JMM,
Oh, it will end alright, but you may not wish to stick around when we seek out the last remaining director and make him watch as we feast on the flesh of his first born. It won't be a pretty sight; necessary to the complete participation in this thread, however, sad to say.

Posted on Jan 15, 2012 10:34:56 PM PST
C. J. Vasta says:
Revised:
Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--12
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--10
Frederico Fellini--9
David Fincher--9
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--10
Howard Hawks--8
Alfred Hitckcock--7
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--10
Steven Spielberg--12
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -10
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Howard Hawks - -2 (The guy could teach modern directors a thing or two, especially about pace. People who disparge him as merely a "technician" miss the point. Auteur theory is for film snobs who think movie scripts write themselves.

Stephen Spielberg +2 I often find his films overrated. I found "Raiders" a lot less fun then a lot of it's rip-off movies. "Catch Me If You Can" seemed to be a remarakably indecisive movie. I think "The Terminal" in particular could have benefited from a different director. One of the most memorable scenes comes off as a Burger King commercial! The end is a bit of letdown. After all thathe goes through, he settles for a facsimile of the signature?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2012 7:17:28 AM PST
JPB: Why are you the first person to even mention Guy Maddin on any of these threads? I'm a huge fan of his work. Wow, at least two of us.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2012 7:18:37 AM PST
JMM: Preferably, until there is only one standing. Early days to change the original structure.

Posted on Jan 16, 2012 7:21:38 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2012 4:48:05 PM PST
Jonathan says:
...after a fellow Guy Maddin fan,

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--10
Frederico Fellini--7
David Fincher--9
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--8
Alfred Hitckcock--5
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--11
Steven Spielberg--12
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -10
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

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Overrated: split vote on Gilliam (+1) / Nolan (+1)
-2 for Fellini, director of The White Sheik -- one of the favorite movies of fellow accused Orson Welles and Woody Allen!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 16, 2012 4:54:02 PM PST
After Jonathan (apparently a Guy Maddin fan!)

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--10
Frederico Fellini--7
David Fincher--9
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--8
Alfred Hitckcock--5
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--13
Steven Spielberg--12
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Minus 2 for Tarantino - he DOES NOT belong here
Plus 2 for Nolan - messy

Posted on Jan 16, 2012 5:26:26 PM PST
C. J. Vasta says:
after T. Sloan:

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--11
Frederico Fellini--7
David Fincher--9
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--6
Alfred Hitckcock--5
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--13
Steven Spielberg--13
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Hawks -2
DePalma +1, Spielberg +1

I thought DePalma deserved at least one vote for directing Obsession.

Posted on Jan 17, 2012 7:41:32 AM PST
Laust Cawz says:
After C.J. Vasta--

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--11
Frederico Fellini--7
David Fincher--9
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--6
Alfred Hitckcock--4
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--13
Steven Spielberg--14
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--10
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Spielberg +1
Hitchcock -1

Posted on Jan 17, 2012 8:13:26 AM PST
After Laust--

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--11
Frederico Fellini--7
David Fincher--9
John Ford--9
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--6
Alfred Hitckcock--2
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--13
Steven Spielberg--14
Martin Scorsese--10
Vincente Minnelli--12
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Minnelli +2 (films about nothing, with not enough style to justify the exercise)
Hitchcock -2

Please remember that you have two votes on each side!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 17, 2012 4:21:01 PM PST
Jonathan says:
William Smith to Laust Cawz: "Please remember that you have two votes on each side!"
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I don't know if Cawz is coming back soon, so in the meantime I suggest we double his first votes (Spielberg +1; Hitchcock -1.)

I'll take the liberty of revising that in the next post, unless there's some objection.

Posted on Jan 17, 2012 4:26:12 PM PST
Jonathan says:
After WAS,

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--11
Frederico Fellini--6
David Fincher--9
John Ford--8
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--6
Alfred Hitchcock--1
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--13
Steven Spielberg--15
Martin Scorsese--12
Vincente Minnelli--12
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

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Not so overrated, in the broad sweep: Fellini & Ford (-1 each)
OVERRATED: Scorsese (+2)

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Revised for what I'm sure Laust Cawz intended: Hitchcock -1 (one away from Home Free now!) and +1 for Spielberg (who made two overblown stinkers last year, so I feel a little bad not voting him up.)

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 17, 2012 4:45:22 PM PST
after JB

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--11
Frederico Fellini--6
David Fincher--9
John Ford--8
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--6
Alfred Hitchcock--1
Stanley Kubrick--10
Christopher Nolan--15
Steven Spielberg--13
Martin Scorsese--12
Vincente Minnelli--12
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Plus 2 Mister Nolan
Minus 2 Mister Spielberg - Jaws moves around in my Top 5, but never to 6 or lower. Yes, his career has dived faster than a Zero Sen, but he had to do something to get in the air in the first place.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 18, 2012 7:44:06 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 18, 2012 7:45:49 AM PST
after TS

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--11
Frederico Fellini--8
David Fincher--9
John Ford--8
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--6
Stanley Kubrick-9
Christopher Nolan--15
Steven Spielberg--13
Martin Scorsese--12
Vincente Minnelli--12
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Hitchcock -1 and out (who could really think that Hitchcock isn't fairly valued?)
Kubrick -1 (on the basis of 2001 alone, he is secure in the pantheon)
Fellini +2 (never great, rarely good)

Posted on Jan 18, 2012 8:31:24 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 18, 2012 8:32:08 AM PST
C. J. Vasta says:
after TS

Woody Allen--11
Frank Capra--14
Charles Chaplin--10
Francis Ford Coppola--10
Brian DePalma--11
Frederico Fellini--8
David Fincher--9
John Ford--8
Terry Gilliam--11
Howard Hawks--4
Stanley Kubrick-9
Christopher Nolan--15
Steven Spielberg--15
Martin Scorsese--12
Vincente Minnelli--12
Quentin Tarantino -8
Lars von Trier--13
Orson Welles--10
Michael Winterbottom--10

Hawks-2
Spielberg +2

I knew there had to be some Spielberg fans out there. I notice that most of the recent directors who made the list have worked with Leonardo DiCaprio in one of more films. I wonder how James Cameron failed to make the list. HAs all the backlash against his Titanic and Avatar somehow prevented him from being overrated?

Posted on Jan 18, 2012 8:39:38 AM PST
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Posted on Jan 18, 2012 12:25:19 PM PST
C. J. Vasta says:
The academy took Cameron seriously enough to award him an Oscar. And Cameron takes himself seriously enough. I'm surprised at Brian DePalma's name being on the list. I've never really seen him as a Critic's Darling. Even his best regarded films tend to be overshadowed by others. Is it because of Scarface which is has developed an immense cult following decades after it's release? Somehow I always associate Scarface with its screenwriter Oliver Stone. It's amazing he didn't make the list. I remember all the love lavished on him from 1987 through the mid-1990s.

Posted on Jan 18, 2012 2:36:51 PM PST
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