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Initial post: Aug 5, 2012 1:23:08 AM PDT
J. Baker says:
From the main Critic's Poll, where "846 critics, programmers, academics and distributors" were polled by the British Film Institute. These were the finalists for 2012.
Source:
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/50-greatest-films-all-time

We played off the 2002 poll a few Months back, and the conclusion we arrived at was:

#1: _Sunrise_ (44 votes); #2: _Vertigo_ (42 votes); #3: _Citizen Kane_ (34 votes); #4: _The Godfather I and II_; #5: _2001: A Space Odyssey_;
#6: _Singin' in the Rain_; #7: _Tokyo Story_; # 8: _The Rules of the Game_; _The Battleship Potemkin_; #10: _8½_

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Chose your favorite of this year's top 25, voting no more than once per day (12:01am-11:59pm, PDT) - +1 on any (no down-votes,) and comment as you please.
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2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 0
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 0

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 0
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 0
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 0
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 1:24:45 AM PDT
J. Baker says:
Kicking it off,

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 0
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 0
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 0
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 0
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

+ Le Mépris, a pretty way to say Contempt (the best qualities of Antonioni & Hitchcock combined!)

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 3:15:05 AM PDT
Quexos says:
After JB

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 0
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 0
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 1
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 0
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

+ Person A

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 8:03:39 AM PDT
Holy smokes, I have only heard of half of these! I am not up on movies made in the 1920s.

Are these GOOD movies, or are they IMPORTANT movies because of a technological innovation or new technique, or something like that? Sort of like "Birth of a Nation" (did I get that right?) was for us all those years ago.

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 6:09:57 PM PDT
Oz le Fou says:
There is a whole bunch here that I have yet to see. I don't think this is a bad thing. I mean, we can't see every film [hectic lives], and there is plenty of time to get around to them.

After Quexos,

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 0
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 1
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 0
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

Plus - Apocalypse Now

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 7:56:46 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 5, 2012 8:04:54 PM PDT
J. Baker says:
Mischief Girl,

They're all good, according to the eight hundred "experts" they had pick the top 50. I think most had a sense of historical or technical importance in mind, but I don't believe they would have chosen most mainly based on that.
Some of the movies in the 26-thru-50 were picked more for technical innovation and uniqueness, diversity, rather than for individual greatness as a movie, I believe, but this is a fairly solid list, all good entertainments and worth seeing.

The ones I think are least worthy here -- 'Au hasard Balthazar', 'Apocalypse Now', 'The Godfather' -- will likely be other's all-time favorites. Taste is funny.
I'm personally disappointed there are no D.W. Griffith, Luis Buñuel, Franju, Sturges, Resnais, Becker, Visconti, Wise, Clair, Ichikawa, Aldrich, etc., but that's how it goes.

The former Sight and Sound critic Raymond Durgnat eventually accused them of "puritanism and upper-middle-class snobbery". He had a point. It's a snooty list, but that's what the BFI does best. Hey, it beats the pandering AFI lists by a long shot. No commercial compromise is a benefit to some kinds of academic criticism.
Presenting an elitist alternative to the droves of popular fanboy lists out there, is a cool, refreshing breeze. Nothing more irritating to serious movie lovers than seeing the same kinds of "Best"s list all reinforcing the same opinions over and over.
Then again, Sight & Sound has gotten fairly predictable over the years too, in their own way.

The 1952 poll results were radically different than today. A few of the only constants that remain are: 'Battleship Potemkin', 'The Passion of Joan of Arc', and 'Rules of the Game'. 'Citizen Kane' didn't start getting ritualized deification until the 'Sixties.

Posted on Aug 5, 2012 8:03:43 PM PDT
J. Baker says:
I forgot: also 'Sunrise' has been high on the Sight and Sound lists from the beginning. And deservingly. Strangely, Murnau's earlier classics, 'Nosferatu' and 'The Last Laugh' (which Griffith himself thought was the greatest movie of all time) don't get as much respect today.

And what ever happened to all the love Lubitsch and John Ford used to get?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 8:20:07 PM PDT
J. Baker says:
Sloany,

I'm going to try and watch 'Apocalypse Now' again soon. I guess I'll go with the 1979 cut, since the Redux left a bad taste in my mouth. But not before I watch 'Moonrise Kingdom'!

Speaking of favorite movies of the late '70s - I never asked you: which cut of 'Dawn of the Dead' do you like best? Romero's theatrical cut? The "Extended Version" ? Or Argento's edit (aka 'Zombie', the European version)?

I still haven't looked at the extended cut. I rarely like extended cuts, even when they are supposedly "director's cuts". I still maintain the producer's theatrical edit of 'Touch of Evil' had as many good points to it as the longer "Welles version" partially reconstructed later.

Sometimes they get it right, and longer really is better. The ''Comprehensive Version'' of 'Mr. Arkadin' by Welles is a good example of that.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 9:53:24 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 5, 2012 10:02:44 PM PDT
C. J. Vasta says:
After Sloany,

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 0
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 1
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 1
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

Plus - Singin' The Rain

Why do people insist "The Searchers" is "the Best Western ever made". What puts it ahead of "Day of the Evil Gun" or "The Unforgiven" (1960)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 5, 2012 11:10:24 PM PDT
J. Baker says:
Re: "Why do people insist "The Searchers" is "the Best Western ever made"

By John Ford standards, I consider it quite mediocre. It has as many bad things about it as good. Critics tend to like the "mythic" approach. But then, why not 'Shane' instead? Or 'Unforgiven' (1992).

I could list over 30 Westerns right now from the 1950s, by John Sturges, Anthony Mann, Henry Hathaway, Delmer Daves, and Charles Marquis Warren, that are much better movies.
'Rio Bravo' blows it out of the water, for one.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 12:31:06 AM PDT
J. Baker says:
After CJV,

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 1
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 1
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

Word (Ordet) ↑

Posted on Aug 6, 2012 12:58:19 AM PDT
Kacee says:
2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 1
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 2
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

SITR + because I loved DOC and GK

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 2:31:29 AM PDT
Oz le Fou says:
@Dawn
I think I've only seen the 127min theatrical cut. I first saw it on VHS back in the day, then bought a copy on DVD when it came out. My copy doesn't say which cut it is, but the lack of info in regards to which cut it is leads me to think it's the Romero theatrical cut.

@Redux
I first saw Apocalypse with the old man, then when my next hankering for napalm and surfing hit, I ended up renting the redux (had no designs to, just ended up that way), and I liked it. I felt it was fuller (obviously, I guess), and I really liked the inclusion of the French still holding on to their piece of turf. I'm a big fan of the film, redux or not.

I tend not to seek out the extra cuts. If I happen upon them, then cool, and if I happen to like the new cuts, then cool too, but I just like that "theatrical cut" being there. Depends on the film, depends on the reasons behind the new cut I guess, but *generally* speaking, I don't hunt all the cuts down.

Posted on Aug 6, 2012 5:22:11 AM PDT
Quexos says:
after Kacee

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 2
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 2
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

+ Persons unknown

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 10:42:48 AM PDT
C. J. Vasta says:
That's not a fair comparison as Rio Bravo is obviously a fun Western with colorful characters,clever ploys, and plenty of action. I imagine Sight & Sound would prefer the movie that inspred it, High Noon, with its' earnestness and lack of action until the end of the movie. It's no coincidence that they picked Vertigo, possibly the most joyless Alfred Hitchcock ever.

Oddly, enough many who praise the Searchers don't really understand the true meaning of the movie's end. Ethan Edwards may not have PC-view of Native Americans, but he is still the only white man in the movie who has any understanding of their culture. Earlier in the movie, some soldiers show Wayne some white captives they've recovered, calvarly is puzzled by their reactions to stimulus. Wayne sneeringly replies they're not white people anymore. When Wayne, says "Let's go home, Debbie." It's because from observations, that under stress Debbie still thinks and acts as a white woman, and hence is salvageable.

Posted on Aug 6, 2012 10:48:40 AM PDT
C. J. Vasta says:
after Quexos

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 2
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 3
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 0

+ Singin' in the Rain

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 1:06:28 PM PDT
J. Baker says:
>C. J. Vasta says:
"That's not a fair comparison as Rio Bravo is obviously a fun Western with colorful characters,clever ploys, and plenty of action."<

Alright then. What I *really* meant was 'Rio Conchos' and Richard Boone could mop the floor with 'The Searchers' and John Wayne.
Both movies feature an Indian-hating protagonist on a mission, yet Boone really makes you believe he is the meanest (and most capable) cuss in the west. There's something quaint about Wayne's on-screen rantings about 'half-breeds' today. Even if he was more of a racist in real life, it wasn't as convincing on screen. It's a great performance, don't get me wrong, but there's something awkward and unfinished about the character. Maybe that's only me. Was it too only me who thought all the younger actor's performances were embarrassingly bad in 'The Searchers'?

Oh, but 'Rio Conchos' was directed by Gordon Douglas, best known for the giant atomic ant saga 'Them!' and the remake of John Ford's 'Stagecoach'.
The autourist snobs couldn't possibly condone inclusion of a Douglas movie, if for that last reason alone.

Trivia note: Gordon Douglas also directed 'Saps at Sea', a later Laurel & Hardy feature, which improbably was included on a list of Raymond Durgnat's 20 favorite movies!
Also, Douglas's 'Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye' was featured on Jonathan Rosenbaum's alternative-to-AFI Top 100 American movies.
Both Durgnat and Rosenbaum worked alongside America's greatest film critic, Manny Farber, down here at the University of California San Diego, back in the 1970s.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 2:42:16 PM PDT
After CJV

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 0
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 2
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 3
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 1

Vertigo +1

To MG's question: Yes, I think we have to take it as read that there are all good films, and not here merely for technical or historical importance. I think it does reflect a combination of what we might call film school canonization (Vigo, Bresson, Godard, Fellini) and changes in fashion--Eisenstein and Bergman down relative to Dziga Vertov and Dreyer.

To JB's list of the missing, I would add Lang, Resnais, Ruiz, and Cocteau.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 6, 2012 3:23:31 PM PDT
J. Baker says:
I mentioned Resnais, of course, but I forgot Fritz Lang.... I say Fritz just in case people think we mean Walter Lang!

I don't expect most critics to agree with me, but Brazil's Nelson Pereira dos Santos, Spain's Carlos Saura, and Italy's Valario Zurlini are sorely underestimated as well.

Posted on Aug 6, 2012 3:58:28 PM PDT
After WAS:

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 1
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 0
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 2
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 3
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 1

+1 2001. I just watched it today. God, what an experience.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 1:12:09 AM PDT
J. Baker says:
After Pastor singin' "Daisy, Daisy, gimmie your answer do; call me craa-zy. . .

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 1
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 1
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 2
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 3
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 1

+ Better Late Spring than never.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 3:16:11 AM PDT
After Baker:

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 1
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 1
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 2
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 3
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 2

+1 Hitchcock.

Posted on Aug 7, 2012 5:46:01 AM PDT
Quexos says:
After PoM

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 1
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 0
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 1
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 3
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 3
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 2

+ Persona grata

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:28:45 AM PDT
JB: Certainly I'd go with you on Saura.

Another thing that struck me--Persona as the sole Bergman film? Now, I will go on record as agreeing that it's a fine film--but far from his best. (I'll go out on a limb and nominate the uncharacteristic Fanny and Alexander--or be traditional and go for The Seventh Seal.)

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2012 8:30:03 AM PDT
After Quexos

2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) ▬ 1
8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963) ▬ 0
Apocalypse Now (Francis Ford Coppola, 1979) ▬ 1
L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934) ▬ 0
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) ▬ 0

L'Avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960) ▬ 0
Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925) ▬ 1
Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960) ▬ 0
Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) ▬ 0
Contempt / Le Mépris (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963) ▬ 1

The Godfather (Francis Ford Coppola, 1972) ▬ 0
In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai, 2000) ▬ 0
Late Spring (Ozu Yasujiro, 1949) ▬ 1
Man with a Movie Camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929) ▬ 0
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974) ▬ 0

Ordet (Carl Dreyer, 1955) ▬ 1
The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Dreyer, 1927) ▬ 0
Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966) ▬ 3
Rules of the Game / La Règle du jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) ▬ 0
The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) ▬ 0

Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) ▬ 0
Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly, 1951) ▬ 3
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (F. W. Murnau, 1927) ▬ 0
Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) ▬ 0
Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) ▬ 2

Spreading a little love--+1 for Potemkin
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