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Posted on Jul 26, 2012 4:22:16 PM PDT
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Has anybody seen this? Apparently Warner is re-shooting a theatre shootout scene in 'Gangster Squad' due to the Aurora shootings and delaying release of the film:

http://www.examiner.com/article/gangster-squad-scenes-to-be-reshot-release-moved-after-tdkr-shootings

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 26, 2012 7:25:03 PM PDT
It's a typical Hollywood knee jerk reaction. On the Bourne commentary track, the directors states that the ending of Bourne was very different than what we got, it was supposed to be a lot of bombs and explosions. Unfortunately 911 happened before they finished filmming and they changed it. As the guy said, "In Hollywood the thought was, 'that's it -- no more explosions in films ever!'"

Posted on Jul 26, 2012 7:38:43 PM PDT
D. Mok says:
Hollywood ends too many movies with explosions anyway. Inception was such a great film...but the ending was marred by too much action. Too many set pieces when what I wanted was a resolution of the ideas and motivations.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 26, 2012 7:53:40 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 26, 2012 7:55:34 PM PDT
Jonathan says:
Yeah, and I just read someone quip the other night that Tarantino should go back and re-shoot the whole last 3rd of 'Inglorious Basterds' so it didn't end in the destruction and murder of everyone in the movie theater.

In that case, they were joking. But the filmmakers of 'Gangster Squad' appear to be serious about re-shooting the controversial scenes. Man, people are gutless in Hollywood today.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 26, 2012 8:14:26 PM PDT
My guess is the same as James' is...this is probably a temporary measure and that once the dust settles, they'll go back to extreme violence as usual.

Posted on Jul 26, 2012 8:36:07 PM PDT
D. Mok says:
> I just read someone quip the other night that Tarantino should go back and re-shoot the whole last 3rd of 'Inglorious Basterds'

The last third? I couldn't get past the first third before sending that garbage to the used bin.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 26, 2012 9:13:15 PM PDT
Jonathan says:
DM,

1/3rd the way through 'Basterds' is all you could make it to? That's farther than I could get into 'Casino' the first time I tried to watch it in the theater.
We all have different sorts of sensitivities and sensibilities when it comes to movies.
I thought the first third of 'IB' was the best third, so I guess you shut it down at the right time, if you weren't enjoying that.

Posted on Jul 26, 2012 10:00:52 PM PDT
D. Duarte says:
sex is linked to our collective vulnerabilites.

murder is linked to our aggressive natures, the opposite of our vulnerable sides.

ergo, murder is much "safer."

Posted on Jul 27, 2012 4:40:28 AM PDT
D. Mok says:
> I thought the first third of 'IB' was the best third, so I guess you shut it down at the right time

Can't say that. I literally found *nothing* good about that film for the 25 or so minutes I tried to watch it.

The opening scene lasted about four times longer than it should have. I literally predicted not only what would happen, but also the exact camera angle from which Tarantino ended up shooting it. So I just snickered when 10 torturous minutes passed and then the exact thing happened. A film is dead in the water if it's so predictable that the audience can literally see what's coming down the road.

I finally lost my patience with that b.s. scene with some guy coming out of a cave. Something like 24 cuts to show what should have taken six. There was no suspense, yet Tarantino kept cutting...and cutting...and cutting...until the narrative momentum came crashing into a wall.

I don't think Quentin Tarantino has ever messed up film pacing so badly.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 7:33:14 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Yum skittles look good I think I'll buy some is pretty different than I think I'll go kill someone though (which in fairness you suggested).

If you don't find killing appealing, a depiction of it on TV or in the movies shouldn't suddenly make it so.

If you do find killing appealing, well you had a problem to start with & the movie might be "icing on the cake" but not the root of the problem IMO.

Posted on Jul 27, 2012 8:10:09 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Heck, other people might be different but here's how I notice myself being influenced by commercials on occasion because I'm pretty good at ignoring them.

I see them as reminders & notifications.

Oh, I've forgotten about skittles for a while. This reminded me. Maybe I'll put them on the store list since I like them.

Oh a new this or that. I might want to try that.

No matter how many times someone "reminds" me about murder, it's not something I want to try and it certainly isn't something I didn't know about although I can't remember where I learned about it really, guessing it wasn't a movie but don't know at this point.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 8:24:18 AM PDT
"over the top third acts's in movies" ~ you mean something like the asian guy in Hangover?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 8:30:26 AM PDT
Saying movies do not promote voilence would land you a good lawyer gig in Hollywood. I think movies promote what they show. Which is why people shoot groups of people they don't even know.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 8:31:34 AM PDT
Well, we knew there would be a tv movie of it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 8:34:32 AM PDT
Good insight DD.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 8:35:49 AM PDT
It seems that you cannot watch a movie or tv show anymore where someone does not get murdered.

Posted on Jul 27, 2012 8:44:25 AM PDT
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D. Mok says:
> Saying movies do not promote voilence would land you a good lawyer gig in Hollywood. I think movies promote what they show.

B.s. Schindler's List shows Nazi atrocities. Are you actually dense enough to think that Steven Spielberg was promoting Nazism? Or genocide?

A pedophile looks at a young child and interprets the child's actions as being "provocative". (This is well documented, in the behaviours and confessions of multiple pedophiles) A mass murderer who's ready to shoot at random strangers will see a young couple kissing each other and it can trigger violence. Is it the couple's fault?

Take some personal responsibility.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 9:17:36 AM PDT
He was promoting history.

Posted on Jul 27, 2012 9:21:01 AM PDT
D. Mok says:
> He was promoting history.

Where did you learn how to interpret films? If you want to go that general: Everybody is wearing shoes in Marvel's The Avengers. Is the film promoting footwear?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 9:35:13 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 27, 2012 9:35:59 AM PDT
Wasn't Thor sporting the new New Nike Norse line? I've been looking all over the place for a pair of those. I dug Cap's boots too. Can't wait till next payday! Footwear for 2012 in case of alien invasion!

Posted on Jul 27, 2012 11:26:07 AM PDT
D. Larson says:
On the other hand, violent crime in the U.S. has been on the decline for a long time, at the same time that movies are more and more explicitly violent. Maybe it's good for people to get their murderous urges out vicariously at the movies. So, go figure.

Maybe in the same way, if movies were also becoming more explicit about sex and stuff, fewer and fewer people would be having actual sex. That would make the prudes and fundamentalists happier, right?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 11:26:54 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Because without movies that doesn't happen?

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 11:30:05 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Uh really?

I think I've watched more than a few romantic comedies without a murder.

Depends a little on what types of movies you watch I suppose.

Watch CSI & indeed you'll probably see a murder but even they have a case of natural causes sometimes.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 11:36:38 AM PDT
gambitrmp says:
Someone annoys you at work, watch a movie & imagine thier head in place of the bad guy ... ah cathartic release.

Just kidding.

Nothing I ever needed to do myself but I do like your post.

Here's the thing. Movies like almost everything else will be good for some people & bad for others. You have to be at least a little mentally disturbed to allow a movie to help push you over the edge & kill someone. Maybe a movie is a trigger in rare cases but so is someone cutting you off in traffic, etc, etc. It might be the trigger but not the root cause of the problem.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 27, 2012 11:45:14 AM PDT
A Customer says:
An "influence"?
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