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Posted on Dec 25, 2012 3:50:16 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 25, 2012 3:56:45 PM PST
Laust Cawz says:
Joyce--

I'm afraid the happiness disorder proposal is "real"er than you might think. Just because it's done sarcastically doesn't mean that it has no weight. It might be a good idea to keep in mind that emotional extremes aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. The real problem is that, although there are finally some newer psychiatrists who are speaking out about it & challenging it, the prevailing wisdom still remains that "depression" is a serious mental disorder that MUST be medicated (no matter what devastating side effects may result). People (especially the doctors who are in authority) must realize that intense emotional reaction to traumatic experience should not be suppressed, since it will only eventually come out in possibly much more dangerous ways. Sometimes by channeling it into something creative, you can create a win-win situation, where you can find a forum to be appreciated for expressing yourself.

One of my favorite songs is by The Monkees--"The Girl I Knew Somewhere" (1967)--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5H0moq-FU8

Note that the music is relentlessly upbeat, lovely & fun (at least that's how I'd describe it). In contrast, if you listen to the lyrics, you realize that the song is about a guy who's been so hurt from a previous relationship that he's afraid to take a chance on someone new who reminds him too much of the past. Many people, I suppose, wouldn't notice the lyrics, but I do & am that much more impressed as a result. The song was written by the group's Michael Nesmith.

By the same token, it's really not advisable to encourage suppression of laughter or happiness if circumstances have generated such a reaction. The line between ecstasy & sadness can be tricky/blurry/thin sometimes. Many of the funniest performers have built huge careers based on the frustrating, painful, even infuriating experiences they've had, which, perhaps, others can relate to or appreciate. I think the old saying "Misery loves company" may be applicable here.

Of course, humor may, in some cases, be a little different from just basic "happiness", but, personally, I also think it can be more fun. The only cautionary that should be noted, I think, about expressing laughter & happiness at someone else's misfortune (what has often been referred to as "Schadenfreude") is when you're pushing someone too far, or when such a person genuinely doesn't share that sense of humor).

Here's another song to listen to about effective therapy for sadness--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ighSddnnaPE

Finally, the group Ween has a song about the dubiousness of anti-depressants--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zMX2UwRwjk

(The lyrics you can't understand--

"Realize that the sky's not made of gold.
Don't disguise the nature of your soul."

"Don't suck the mind.
Don't drain the source.
The path of life's not so easy to course, buddy.")

...& one last thing...

The film "MASH" (1970--later turned into a TV series) includes the lyrics & title to the theme song, "Suicide Is Painless", written by the 14-year-old Michael Altman, son of the film's director Robert Altman. He's still alive & has been successful--I think writing that poem & having it acknowledged helped him immensely. Here's what he has to say about the song (though he doesn't really elaborate on exactly what inspired it--maybe you could ask him)--

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0022918/board/nest/190487417?d=204055899&p=1#204055899

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 3:56:22 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 25, 2012 3:56:55 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Laust:
there is NO ONE who is more 'intense' than me, and yeah, sometimes the 'lows' can be a real drag, BUT the 'highs' are awesome!!!
thanks for the Monkees' link, but one of my fav songs of theirs is this one!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ4BVF7Hu3c
i realize you were making a point with the song that you posted, and also, with the other two...yes, i get it, and i AGREE!!!! it's difficult (if not IMPOSSIBLE!) to have one, without the other!!
thanks so much for the informative and interesting post, as well as the awesome links/songs!!! :)
hope you are having a nice holiday!!!! :) MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! :)
love,
joyce :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 4:42:59 PM PST
So you liked Mike.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 5:17:20 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Charlie:
oh, yes....i LOVE this song!
i like many of their songs, actually, even if they were not a 'real' group.....they kinda 'grew into it'....you know? :)
love,
joyce :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 5:23:52 PM PST
I got all of them.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 5:35:00 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Charlie:
here's another!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5kt8cxfNRE
and another!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3btFwivtE
(what am i doin' hanging 'round? i should be on that train, and gone.....i should be ridin' on that train to San Antone....what am i doin' hangin' round??)
love,
joyce :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 5:36:51 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 25, 2012 5:38:52 PM PST
What Am I doing Hangin Around and Words are my favorites.
Glen Campbell did the guitar work on "Valleri"

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 5:41:53 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 25, 2012 5:43:49 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dearest Charlie:
well then, here you go!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbwXpa4_EXk
:)
love,
joyce :)
oh, one more!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mtRTsooKxU
(look out, here comes tomorrow! oh, how i wish tomorrow would never come!)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 5:42:01 PM PST
And Google Carol Kaye - Monkees

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 5:50:35 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 25, 2012 6:09:26 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Charlie:
she also played guitar on this AWESOME song!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE_jOD2Fxvs
(and he said that he loved me too, and then he kissed me..........) :)
love,
joyce :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 6:05:31 PM PST
Carol Kaye played on over 1000 songs.

http://www.united-mutations.com/k/carol_kaye.jpg

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 6:07:47 PM PST
stevign says:
I "really" dig Michael Nesmith's solo work. Complete First National Band Recordings, Michael Nesmith - Live at the Britt, and what I think is his best, Tropical Campfires.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tpkxKZS4fc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr3jMii-gXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua7dBwZzrWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nxbOv6UgIY&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBQUvL0RQY8

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 6:16:10 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Stevign:
Merry Christmas, darling!!!
here you go....for you!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzUnxq8yFvA
hope you are having a wonderful xmas day!!!!! (thanks for all the MN songs!)
love,
joyce :) :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 6:27:20 PM PST
stevign says:
re: "hope you are having a wonderful xmas day!!!!!"

Comme ci, comme ça

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 6:40:03 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dearest Stevign:
just posted this one, on the beatles forum.....maybe it will cheer you up!!! it always does, me!!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q
John (Lennon) LOVED this song too, AND it is SOOOOO FUN TO DANCE TO!!!! (wanna dance, Stevign? awwh...come on, Stevign!)
love,
joyce :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 6:49:56 PM PST
stevign says:
re: "wanna dance, Stevign? awwh...come on"

Not right now thank you, I'm busy entertaining my girlfriend.

http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/032011/family-guy-flashlight.gif

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 6:53:41 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Stevign:
lol!
(but wouldn't you rather dance with me? :)
love,
joyce :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 7:05:37 PM PST
stevign says:
Fine, join in anytime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twqM56f_cVo&feature=player_embedded

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 7:19:58 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Stevign:
wow, that looks like it would be sooooo fun!!!! okay, count me in!! :)
(thanks! a great dance video!)
love,
joyce :)

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2012 7:24:52 PM PST
stevign says:
Keep yer dancin' shoes on kid.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3TNV5ApMs

Posted on Dec 26, 2012 6:59:58 PM PST
Laust Cawz says:
I MUCH prefer "Then He Kissed Me" THIS WAY--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKxXFKWzes

The Monkees, of course, didn't stop with music or TV.
They went on to make a movie--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFibqE5qqm8

Mickey has often compared the evolution of the group to Pinocchio--
a puppet who becomes a real boy, or in this case, a real band.

Hendrix opened for them in 6 concerts in 1967.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 7:20:25 PM PST
Joyce says:
Dear Laust:
very cute! i used to dance a bit, in my younger years....still do, actually, but not quite that 'energetically', but i DO still LOVE to sing!!! (did you hear me?) :)
(i haven't seen the movie....is it good?) btw, she has very 'big hair'....you can totally tell this is an 80's movie! i was only 30, when this movie came out!! except that i had brown hair, and it was never 'big'..... wow!! wish i was 30, again! even 35 would be good! (of course, 25 would be better; or 20, even.........i digress....... :)
yes, the Monkees did make a movie!
thanks so much for the cool links!!! :)
love,
joyce
(have you ever seen '13, going on 30', with Jennifer Garner?? OMG....soooo funny!!! I LOVE that movie!!) :)

Posted on Dec 26, 2012 7:43:21 PM PST
kiarie625 says:
I just watched 10 years. So sweet but when has an ex boyfriend of yours ever shown you such respect and kindness when you bump into each other.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 8:27:07 PM PST
Laust Cawz says:
Rather watch "Big", "Vice-Versa" (1988) or the 1977 "Freaky Friday".

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 26, 2012 9:30:48 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 27, 2012 5:07:56 AM PST
Ahmad says:
stevign,
What About Bob made it to my short list of favorite comedies. Yes, yes, its cheesy, corny, campy, but I liked it, and it makes me feel goood! Its probably about our different tastes.
And speaking of different tastes, I just can't, for the love of Hollywood, watch any film with Steve Martin in it!! can you believe that? And although I consider Peter Sellers as my favorite comedian, I don't find his movie Being There funny or comedy, although I like the movie. All critics agree that its a great sophisticated comedy.

Joyce,
I never seen Scrooge. I will try to check it out.
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