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What book that you have read had the worst movie adaption made from it?


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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 8:37:13 AM PST
Shmohawk says:
Dreamcatcher by Stephen King. Awful movie.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 9:23:09 AM PST
Hikari says:
Tarek, your 'one point' is quite complex.

But, no, geisha are not high-class prostitutes. Throughout Japanese history, prostitutes have often posed as geisha, including notably during the Occupation period, when girls who slept with the American GIs told the servicemen that they were 'geisha'. Then the GIs came home, perpetuating the misconception that geisha are nothing more than hookers.

Incidentally, the GIs also butchered the pronunciation. It is 'gay-sha', not 'gee-sha'.

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The translation for 'geisha' is 'artist'. Geisha spend years of training developing traditional arts in dancing and instrumental music. The closest to a geisha we would have in the West is a prima ballerina. But the role of the geisha goes beyond performance and encompasses being a living example of art. From her dress, to her movements, conversation, deportment, hairstyle and everything she does, the geisha is supposed to epitomize the uniquely Japanese forms of beauty.

Where the lines are blurred for Westerners is that the geisha is also a paid party hostess. While an artist may live to dance, dance or music alone does not pay the bills. So the geisha contract themselves out to parties as the entertainment and the conversational companions of the party guests. A geisha who freely passes out sexual favors is not a real geisha. A married geisha is an oxymoron, though . . . if a geisha wants to marry, she must retire. If a geisha is successful in making a relationship with a wealthy patron, she becomes his mistress, because the men who are rich enough to patronize geisha are senior executives and will be married. So geisha could also be said to be akin to a Western 'trophy wife', notwithstanding that her patron already has a wife.

If a geisha does have a patron, and many never do, she will only have sexual relations with him. He is no longer just a customer at the tea house, but her boyfriend.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 9:40:09 AM PST
bella7 says:
On Oprah awhile back, they had a "white" woman who was a Geisha. It was very interesting. Some of her Kimono's were in the thousands of dollars. She made it very clear that she did not "sleep" with her clients, but made big bucks to attend business parties, etc...

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 9:51:51 AM PST
jmgirl says:
I saw that one. The kimonos were beautiful. It was an interesting look into a world I didn't understand. I saw the movie after I watched that episode.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 9:55:24 AM PST
bella7 says:
I know I couldn't sit on my knees like that for very long. Ouch!

I've read the book, but have not seen the movie yet.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 10:22:22 AM PST
Hikari says:
You must be talking about Liza Dalby. Yes, she is the only Western woman ever to apprentice as a geisha. She did her doctoral thesis in sociology on it, and it became the book Geisha. It helped her immensely that she was already fluent in Japanese and already played the samisen as a result of living in Japan as a high school student. That is a highly fascinating book and I recommend it if you want to see what being a geisha is really like, and how they live. They live communally and it's much more akin to a dorm at a "Fame" type school than it is a cathouse. Men are not allowed on the premisis, because the 'hanamachi' (flower town) is a woman's world.

Yes, businessmen play highly for the privilege of the social company of geisha. A geisha never goes to a party alone, but always in a group. The entertainment is social, not sexual. A certain amount of flirtatious banter and sexual inneundo goes on but that is expected and it is only talk. Any customer who sexually harrassed one of the geisha would not be welcome at another party.

It would be akin to hiring models at a car show or a band for a corporate Christmas party. The geisha are there to decorate the room, keep it from getting boring and provide music and dancing entertainment. They are like the cruise directors of the party. I should note that 'dancing' in this context refers to traditional Japanese dancing that is not in any lewd and is not done with a partner. The dancing shown in the film is the sort that would go on at a party, only to a smaller scale.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 10:33:53 AM PST
Hikari says:
That may be, Greymung. Their company is paid by the hour, so in that sense they are like Western escorts. However, whereas such an encounter is expected to lead to sex here in the West and 'escort' is only a euphemism, sex is NOT one of the basic services a night out with geisha will get you.

Yes, some geisha do form attachments were they have sex with wealthy men who support them. However, that is really no different than any of our reality-TV show housewives or any other woman who has sex with a man in order to be supported by him. In that regard, the average geisha is far more selective about who she sleeps with than American girls who hook up with random men down at the bars on a weekend. Or, frankly, any women who sleep with guys who haven't offered them any sort of a commitment. A 'danna' (patron) relationship in Japan is a contractual agreement, very like a marriage in that regard.

I wouldn't choose the life of a geisha for myself, not that it's even possible. But I will speak up against the notion that they are of loose moral character just because of what they do for a living. This is their societal arrangement. A geisha with a patron WILL be taken care of. Not usually the case with a Western woman who moves in with her boyfriend, only to be dumped when he gets tired of her because they have no legal ties binding them.

Paying for geisha entertainment is akin to buying a ticket for a theatre, music or dance evening. If the performers then mingle for cocktails with the audience members after the performance that is very like what the geisha do. Would you use 'prostitute' in the same sense of paying for the entertainment and conversation of someone who is a highly trained entertainer if we were discussing American performers and not Japanese ones?

Posted on Nov 19, 2010 10:42:22 AM PST
Troy vs. Homer's The Iliad

Squeezing the ten year long Trojan War into a few weeks so it can be shown in 2hr 45min might seem like a good idea, but it's just the first of many bad decisions that makes me wonder if there was a second Trojan War I've never heard of. There are ways to show the passage of time without eating up valuable movie minutes.

If you don't think a ten year siege vs a one month war is a matter of life or death, let's look at matters of life and death.

Agamemnon didn't die in the Trojan War, his wife and her lover killed him after he came back.

Menelaus was not killed by Hector. After the fall of Troy, Menelaus recovered Helen and brought her home.

Hector didn't kill Ajax; Ajax committed suicide.

That wasn't how Hector died.

You could say, "Picky, picky, picky," to those who died living and those who lived dying, but Achilles being in the Trojan Horse is beyond stupid.

The whole reason for the building of the Trojan Horse was that Achilles was killed by an arrow in his vulnerable heel. The death of Achilles, who could defeat the Gods themselves on the battlefield, meant the Greeks could no longer beat the Trojans behind their mighty walls. Thus, the trick.

Even without the miscasting and poor acting, Troy takes an ancient classic and turns it into a stinking turd.

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Laura Mendez says:
I SO agree with the person who said Jurassic Park!!! The movie had good special effect for it's time, but had very little to do with the message of the book. I was very disappointed when it came out.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 2:25:07 PM PST
bella7 says:
Yes, that was her name. Quite an interesting life indeed. It takes a lot of study and discipline.

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 3:49:08 PM PST
Jonathan says:
As much as I love 'It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World', I think 'On the Beach' is Stanley Kramer's masterpiece.
With shame, I admit I've never read the novel.
I have read A Town Like Alice (Vintage International), however - never have seen the movie based on it: it's staring back at me waiting for me to try it: A Town Like Alice [VHS], all those many hours waiting to unreel in front of me. One of these days, I keep telling it, some day soon...

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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 4:44:42 PM PST
The SUm of All Fears. I love Tom Clancy books, i hated that movie

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 4:46:45 PM PST
yes, but JP2 was more like the book....as best it could be, iguess

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 7:08:04 PM PST
Jonathan says:
'The Angel Wore Red' - saw most of that last night. Darned interesting. I liked it, flaws and all. Bogarde's always watchable. They've never really made an entirely successful movie directly about the Spanish Civil War. I got more out of the traveling exhibition of authentic Spanish Civil War posters I saw at UCSD a decade ago, than any movie. Sadly, the students there couldn't be LESS interested, by and large.
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Damn, I'm about to start singing "Viva la Quince Brigada"...

Hey, I noticed you have Schrödinger: Life and Thought as a favorited item: I was just fondling that book last night before bed! Oh, très synchronicity!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 19, 2010 7:23:00 PM PST
Hikari says:
"A Town Like Alice" is a commitment, but you know that, right?

6-7 hours if memory serves. They were somewhat hindered by the shooting for television budget and capabilities, but an unforgettable performance by Bryan Brown. Imagine my surprise at seeing, in Bruce Beresford's Paradise Road, such a similar story.

I was gonna say "During one of these long snowy winter's evenings .. ." but then I remembered that you're in La Jolla. Never mind! How DO you all in Cali get your movies in? Here in the Midwest we queue up a movie when it's too cold and crappy to go out.

Best watch it straight through, or at least, over two days. Not in hourlong chunks the way we were first forced to see it on TV.

Posted on Nov 21, 2010 1:52:08 PM PST
definetly akira.. see the movie was great but with the potential and everything, and what is missing its really by far the worst.. im not talking about about the quality of the movie in general but about the discrepancy between what might have been and what they made, even so akira is sure as hell still one of my favorite movies

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2010 3:28:23 PM PST
K. DeV says:
Re: Narnia and that "Narnia was a mirror of the book"
You are wrong tarek, the mirror wasn't unpolished... it was broken.

That movie bastardized a great series.
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