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Posted on Jun 29, 2012 5:40:28 PM PDT
Ten First Run Movies I Walked Out On (And/Or Movies I WANTED to Walk Out On But the Moron I Was With Was Driving and Did NOT Want to Leave):

And Now My Love
Fargo
Field of Dreams
The Green Room
In Harm's Way
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Reds
The Road Warrior
Terms of Endearment xxx
Titanic

I had to leave out:

Family Plot
The Great Escape
The Longest Yard
No Country for Old Men
Superman 3

Now, we can all be forgiven for having to walk out of first run films. I mean, its not as if you can trust critics or anything. But, when you go to a movie in a revival house, you don't have much excuse for pickking a turkey. I mean, you have sometimes literally decades of material to help you decide. Thus my second--and in many ways worse--list.

Ten Revival House Run Movies I Walked Out On (And/Or Movies I WANTED to Walk Out On But the Moron I Was With Was Driving and Did NOT Want to Leave):

Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau)
Children of Paradise (the King--no, the QUEEN of "Twee" Movies)
The Greatest Show on Earth
The Guns of Navarone
King of Kings (DeMille)
Notorious
Sgt York
The Thin Man
Tokyo Story
Trouble in Paradise

I had to Leave Out:

The Alamo
Elvira Madigan
The Maltese Falcon
A Man and a Woman
Solomon and Sheba (a film so bad Tyrone Power had a heart attack not to have to make it)

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 5:51:57 PM PDT
TAS: I'm not talking about the lyrics as I am about the music.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 5:57:33 PM PDT
Ten Movies I Have Seen Since Last Time I Posted A List of Ten Movies I Have Seen Recently:

Bite the Bullet (Brooks)
Damage (Malle)
8 1/2 Women (Greenaway)
Everybody Wins (Reisz)
Fool for Love (Altman)
I Stand Alone (Noe)
Jude (Winterbottom)
Last Holiday (Cass)
Night Mother (Moore)
WUSA (Rosenberg)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 6:04:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 6:07:55 PM PDT
I'm not talking about the lyrics as I am about the music"

I don't think the music is all that important to them. Its there to serve the lyrics, for the most part; except for the long, essentially instrumental pieces like Echoes or Atom Heart Mother, of course.

"So let me in from the cold
Turn my lead into gold
Cause there's chill wind blowing in my soul
And I think I'm growing old"

The lyrics, the ideas, that's what its all about. And these guys, whatever their faults, didn't sell out their ideas. They had little interest in selling singles and spent literally years creating some albums. And Waters, at least, did just as interesting work as a solo.

Who else has written three albums about the end of the world?

At least somebody cares.

Welcome to the Machine.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 6:29:26 PM PDT
Jonathan says:
Mr. Stith,

I like Brian Eno the best on your list, but Sinead O' Connor and Cohen can be excellent as well.

Don't mind the two immature responders under your post.

Two bands I've never gotten in to, and never understood the wild acclaim for, are The Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd. But I respect some of the things I've head from them.

I think Clapton's overrated. Richard Thompson is precisely nine trillion times better.

Anyone who doesn't respect Eno, I have no interest in hearing from regarding modern music.

And Mendlesson & Satie are two of my favorites for classical. Whoever calls them "banal" is a musical imbecile.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 9:13:46 PM PDT
Pink Floyd is great.

'Nuff said.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012 9:46:11 PM PDT
Jonathan says:
Mischief,

Still trying to figure out who this `'Nuff` guy is everybody's always quoting on teh internets....

I've given the Dead a fare shake. I'm still not too impressed.
It's time I give the Floyd a better chance to bowl me over. The "Money" song still annoys me, gotta say.
Dar Williams does a good version of 'Comfortably Numb'. I like that one.

Posted on Jun 29, 2012 11:01:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012 11:07:35 PM PDT
Larry says:
Top 10 movies, ever:

1) Vertigo
2) Seven Samurai
3) The Searchers
4) Rio Bravo
5) The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
6) North by Northwest
7) A Canterbury Tale
8) Shane
9) Blade Runner
10) Rashamon

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 12:12:54 AM PDT
Best thing about Grateful Dead was Bob Weir in muscle T shirt and shorts, and hair tied back in a ponytail........
I think he was singing and playing a guitar, I'm not quite sure.

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 5:37:29 AM PDT
Still thinking of Bob purr Weir.........

My favourite films from 1969

Anne Of The Thousand Days
Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
Hannibal Brooks
John and Mary
Marooned
Support Your Local Sheriff
Sweet Charity
True Grit
Winnie The Pooh
Winning

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 8:38:22 AM PDT
JB: Satie is OK, if overplayed--an interesting, if slender, talent.

Songs without Words is not the best of Mendelssohn.

No problem with Eno. Rachmaninoff, on the other hand, is the very essence of banality, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing.

The rest--sinking in bathos.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 9:42:06 AM PDT
Larry says:
On the positive side, Rachmaninoff was an accomplished recycler of tunes, and his concertos are marvelous showpieces for budding pianists yearning for the big time.

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 10:05:02 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2012 10:06:00 AM PDT
Larry: Empty pianistic display is, I think, the way I would put it. A far cry from the gold standards like the Mozart and Beethoven concertos. Or, for that matter, less known, but elegant works like the Saint-Saens. If one wants display with some substance--there is Ravel.

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 12:01:11 PM PDT
Larry says:
One man's vapid whore is another man's dream girl.

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 12:12:30 PM PDT
Larry: There is, proverbially, no arguing with taste--particularly bad taste. :)

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 12:37:47 PM PDT
Larry says:
Taste, by definition, has no objective means of measurement. From the American Heritage Dictionary:

A personal preference or liking: a taste for adventure.
The faculty of discerning what is aesthetically excellent or appropriate.

Who among us qualifies as arbiter of what serves as excellent for everyone, everywhere? Therefore the phrase "bad taste" seems to qualify as an oxymoron.

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 12:51:47 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 1, 2012 8:00:27 AM PDT
Larry: And yet bad taste is a universally accepted notion--as implied in the second definition, which is evaluative. Taste may be subjective; the criteria of good art may be said to be objective to a degree.

And by avatar, I hope you mean arbiter. As long as we are vocabulary chopping.

I think you failed to see the logic of my statement.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2012 1:51:48 PM PDT
Larry says:
"Universally accepted notion," another oxymoron. A wise man never lets others make up his mind for him. Do your own thinking, come to your own conclusions, decide for yourself what is good and not so good.

My unedited statement does not include the word avatar. perhaps you should hone your reading skills. Your unedited post concludes with this sentence:

"I think you failed to see the logic of my stateent."

If I were to vocabulary chop as you put it, I suppose you could supply a proper definition of that last word "stateent". You see, I couldn't locate a definition that fit the sentence. Sounds like a cut of beef, but that wouldn't make any sense, would it?

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 3:41:00 PM PDT
Jonathan says:
Returning to the purpose of this thread, briefly...
Many classic rock fans would agree that 1967 was a monumentally important year for record releases.

Not sure how many would acclaim it for the new movies.

Here's my Top Ten Best Movies of 1967:

1. Hour of the Gun (John Sturges)
2. Le Samouraï (Jean-Pierre Melville)
3. Quatermass and the Pit / Five Million Years to Earth (Roy Ward Baker)
4. Belle de Jour (Luis Bunuel)
5. Accident (Joseph Losey)
6. The Stranger (Luchino Visconti)
7. Silence and Cry (Miklós Jancsó)
8. Wait Until Dark (Terence Young)
9. Deàth Rides a Horse (Giulio Petroni)
10. Our Mother's House (Jack Clayton)

The Next Ten Best of '67:

The Red and the White (Miklós Jancsó)
Week End (Jean-Luc Godard)
Samurai Rebellion (Masaki Kobayashi)
Trans-Europ-Express (Alain Robbe-Grillet)
Beach Red (Cornel Wilde)
Wavelength (Michael Snow)
The Kïlling Gàme (Alain Jessua)
The Trip (Roger Corman)
The Dirty Dozen (Robert Aldrich)
Mouchette (Robert Bresson)
Robbery (Peter Yates)

______________________________

And, the Ten Worst Movies of 1967 (and I really mean it -- these are the WORST I've seen from this year):

The Nàked Wïtçh (Andrew Milligan)
Camelot (Joshua Logan)
The Fastest Guitar Alive (Michael Moore)
The Graduate (Mike Nichols)
Billion Dollar Brain (Ken Russell)
She-Man: A Story of Fixation (Bob Clark)
Marat/Sade (Peter Brook)
Lucky, the Inscrutable (Jesus Franco)
David Holzman's Diary (Jim McBride)
Creature with the Blue Hand (Alfred Vohrer)

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 3:45:07 PM PDT
Jonathan says:
Semi-guilty pleasure of 1967:

The movies of Herschel Gordon Lewis ('The Gruesome Twosome', 'Blast-Off' Girls', and 'Something Weird', among them)!

Posted on Jun 30, 2012 5:12:35 PM PDT
Jonathan says:
The Top Ten Best Andy Warhol-produced Movies I've Seen:

1. 'Andy Warhol's Frankenstein' / ''Andy Warhol's Dracula' (director: Paul Morrissey)
3. 'Bike Boy' (Warhol, Morrissey)
4. 'I, a Man' (Warhol)
5. 'Chelsea Girls' (Morrissey, Warhol)
6. 'Vinyl' (Warhol)
7. 'Blank Generation' (Ulli Lommel)
8. 'Bad' (Jed Johnson)
9. 'Heat' (Morrissey)
10. 'The Nude Restaurant' (Warhol)

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 8:08:16 AM PDT
Larry: Thank you for modifying your post. My (corrected) error was a typo. Was yours?

As for universals--well, if you are a Platonist, you believe in universals. And there are many universals. In aesthetics as well--the Golden Ratio, for one. And the canons of Western art, for most of its long history, are dominated by the notion that art should be dulce et utile, sweet and useful, or devoted to the highest good (a notion straight from Aristotle).

If there are no universals--criticism is futile, and we have no standards for judging good and bad.

Thanks, I'll stick with universals. And one universal is that display for its own sake is never considered to be in the best of taste. And I think that you would have a great deal of trouble finding serious musicians who would rank Rachmaninoff near the top of the game in Western music--near Mozart, or Haydn, or Bach, or Beethoven, or Wagner, or Monteverdi, or Berlioz. He is a crowd pleaser--but that is no mark of intrinsic merit.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 8:11:14 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jul 1, 2012 8:12:04 AM PDT
JB: Herschel Gordon Lewis is one of the sports of American film. He invented the gore film--and his work is far from uninteresting. There's a fascinating analysis of The Wizard of Gore in that useful Re|Search publication, Incredibly Strange Films. And I believe that Jonathan Ross covered some of his work in his TV series Incredibly Strange Films.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 8:19:58 AM PDT
Jonathan says:
Wm. Smith, yes, I have that Re|Search volume called "Incredibly Strange Films", and you're right, it is a very good article in there about HGL.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 1, 2012 9:30:17 AM PDT
"Thanks, I'll stick with universals."

Ah, so sentimentality is objectively bad.
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