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In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 7:27:56 PM PDT
@Hinch: "When I started becoming bored with new music in the eighties..."

a-HA! Yet more evidence to support my theory about what happens to people when they hit a certain age.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 7:30:52 PM PDT
Thanks BLT,
I've only begun listening heavily to the Euro-Jazz scene during the past year. I would be happy to see what you've been listening to.

Posted on Oct 21, 2012 7:33:47 PM PDT
Hinch says:
I started collecting records in '64, when I was 13. I now own 5000 vinyl albums and uncounted cds. I own music from many genres and from every decade as far back as the twenties. I've always loved music and am open minded and interested in new music. Honestly, since 2000, I can only think of a handful of cds I've bought by artists who didn't release their first album before 2000. Did I suddenly close my mind to new music?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 7:49:36 PM PDT
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Hinch says:
There may be some truth to your point, but I didn't buy my first cd until the early 90s and many of them are from the 8Os and 9Os , although some by artists who started making music in the 60s. I do own quite a few albums by artists new to the 8Os and 9Os. Almost none by artists new since 2000. Also, most of the music I own from before the 5Os is on cd.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 8:04:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 21, 2012 9:03:12 PM PDT
B L T says:
Under the Influence,

For the last couple of years I've been putting together a playlist of songs from several international artists. I glanced at your profile a few weeks ago and noticed I had a lot of CD's that where on your wish list and thought you might appreciate some of the stuff I've been listening to.

I've narrowed down about 1600 songs from my collection to 495 songs from the following artists. It's quality not quantity for me.

Luckily I have all my music cataloged on a spreadsheet. Here goes...

Abdullah Ibrahim (South Africa)
Andy Sheppard (UK)
Anouar Brahem (Tunisia)
Archie Shepp (USA) & Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen (Denmark)
Arild Andersen (Norway)
Avishai Cohen (Israel)
Badal Roy (India)
Bennie Maupin (USA)
Carl Petter Opsahl (Norway)
Claudio Fasoli (Italy) & Luca Garlaschelli (Italy)
Dave Holland (UK)
David Friedman (USA)
Dimitri Grechi Espinoza (Russia) & Tito Mangialajo Rantzer (Italy)
Dino Saluzzi (Argentina)
Doumka Clarinet Ensemble (France)
Drei im roten Kreis (Germany)
Eberhard Weber (Germany)
Edward Simon (Venezuela)
Enrico Rava (Italy)
Esbjorn Svensson Trio (Sweden)
Ferenc Snétberger (Hungary)
Gianni Basso & Riccardo Fioravanti (Italy)
Ingebrigt Håker Flaten & Håkon Kornstad (Norway)
Jacob Young (Norway)
Jan Garbarek (Norway)
John Surman (UK)
Julia Hulsmann (Germany)
Juri Dal Dan Trio (Italy)
Kenny Wheeler (Canada)
Ketil Bjørnstad (Norway)
Lars Andreas Haug (Norway)
Manu Katche (France)
Marcin Wasilewski Trio (Poland)
Markus Stockhausen (Germany)
Mathias Eick (Norway)
Miroslav Vitous (Czech Republic)
Misha Alperin (Ukraine)
Myra Melford & Trio M (USA)
Myriam Alter (Belgium)
Neal Caine (USA)
Nik Bartsch's Ronin (Switzerland)
Nils Landgren (Sweden) & Esbjörn Svensson (Sweden)
Philippe Aerts Trio (Belgium)
Phronesis (Denmark)
Renaud Garcia-Fons (France)
Tomasz Stanko (Poland)
Tord Gustavsen (Norway)
Tore Brunborg (Norway)
Tri O Trang (Norway)
Trio Dolce Vita (Germany/Italy)
Trygve Seim (Norway)
Ulrich Drechsler (Germany)
Wolfert Brederode Quartet (Netherlands)
Yelena Eckemoff (Russia)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 8:07:31 PM PDT
Hinch,
Maybe you need to jar your mind to get in the mood for new music. Try dyeing your hair and getting a lot of tattoos. Crash a college keg party. Do you own any of those pants that show your underwear?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 8:14:52 PM PDT
Oh yeah, BLt!
I'm familiar with maybe half of those artists. Many avenues to pursue. Thanks.

Posted on Oct 21, 2012 8:17:57 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 21, 2012 8:21:32 PM PDT
@Hinch: "although some by artists who started making music in the 60s..."

I noticed this pattern among several of the older generation posts to the recent "favorite albums for each decade" thread. For the 60s and 70s (and 80s in a few cases), albums by relevant artists who were new in those eras were chosen. Then, for the 80s, 90s, and 00s, the albums chosen were by artists who originally made their name in the 60s and 70s (Neil Young, Black Sabbath, Ian Anderson, etc.). It's like the person is still buying "new" music, but only made by artists s/he's already familiar with from the classic rock days. It's new music, yes, but the artists aren't new by a long shot, and so I don't really count that as someone having a truly open mind about new *artists*. I get the feeling that these people aren't even trying to hear any new artists beyond what they hear on radio or TV, so they just stick with new stuff from the old artists they know from the past. Which is fine, except when they start to claim "new music sucks" or whatever, and it's so clear they haven't even given it a chance (btw I'm not including you in this category, Hinch).

"I do own quite a few albums by artists new to the 8Os and 9Os."

This would seem to contradict what you just said about getting bored with new music in the 80s, although it's nice to hear that you at least go up to the year 2000! Interestingly, though, this was right around the time when much of the industry changed and downloading became a new standard. I think that this was a turning point when a lot of good music left radio/TV and went straight to the "internet underground", thus giving the *illusion* that music was getting worse, when it really wasn't. I was one of the people initially caught by this illusion, who thought (like many here) that the 2000s was the worst decade *ever* for music, for many years, until about 2007 when I finally started to do a little internet digging and discovered, to my shock, that I had missed out on dozens of amazing artists, many of whom have become hardcore favorites of mine. The past five years has basically been me playing a big game of catch-up.

I think it should be noted that my bread-and-butter is--like many of you older folks--60s/70s classic rock. But I also feel that many of the newer artists I like are very compatible with someone whose tastes are based around the classic rock era (and I'm *not* saying they're poorer xeroxes of older sounds, either). This is still no gaurantee that anyone but myself would like them, but I would certainly recommend any of these newer artists to anyone who was interested--and I have gotten some positive response here from a few who really weren't familiar with much from the new millenium.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 8:18:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 21, 2012 8:51:15 PM PDT
B L T says:
Your welcome.

I want to add that some of the artists have as little as 2 or 3 songs off of one album on my playlist. Others have several songs off of multiple albums.

Posted on Oct 21, 2012 8:28:52 PM PDT
Severin says:
A lot of the problem is with how people listen to music these days. It's not just the programmed radio stations and lack of variety shows on TV but the fact that people can download individual songs as opposed to whole albums or they skip songs on albums or put together a play list cherry-picking only the songs they like. My niece in her mid-teens asked me copy some Jefferson Airplane for her when all she really wanted was 'White Rabbit.' She asked for The Kinks but really only wanted 'Lola.' I also think it has to do with the amount of music available. Not only are there so many more artists making music these days there's the whole history of music to choose from.

Posted on Oct 21, 2012 8:40:50 PM PDT
B L T says:
One more thing.

For the most part, I don't like jazz that sounds too much like jazz. Some of you might know what I mean. Jazz traditionalist will have me hanged, drawn and quartered that Miles Davis, John Coltrane, et al, didn't make the cut, but hey I like what I like.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 9:06:42 PM PDT
Hinch says:
Lol! Good one! I just recently went from a waist size 44 to 42. Maybe I should save those 44s for showin my swag by holding my pants up with one hand when I walk.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 21, 2012 9:14:18 PM PDT
Hinch says:
Donald, Good point. I've bought my share of singles, but I've always been an album person. Most of the albums I like can be listened to all the way through. I almost never buy mp3s.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 22, 2012 8:31:55 AM PDT
barbW says:
"mass-popular taste"

I'm wondering how the mass-popular taste will ever change without the education and the dedication to learning an instrument (like there was in the 60s, dwindled in the 70s and was rare in the 80s). One problem was, the most popular recordings were getting less and less 'playable' as those 3 decades passed. But I don't mean education in the academic sense, merely the learning of chords and what chord progressions were needed to communicate the clever hooks to your fellow fans.

I don't know, but music fans might not realize how much more experience and learning older listeners have over younger listeners. The hours and hours spent with classic rock always in the background can't be accumulated as experience in any other way if you weren't there living it. Young enthusiasts can 'research' it, but it's not the same thing. Young people are exposed to Beatles music everywhere, and it's very accessible music by any measure anyway, so that's a misleading example?

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 22, 2012 8:57:29 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 22, 2012 8:58:40 AM PDT
barbW says:
"Isn't it true that Mozart was in many respects a product of his time (like any artist) and that he was surpassed in his genius by those who were less constrained?"

Surpassed by others? 'Maybe in a few works that didn't survive, for reasons that are understandable..

"As you pointed out in the other discussion, "music should get better with time." Views change. Assuming nature a constant, hasn't the *perception* of nature changed and the means of expressing?"

If I understand you -, music composed as a perception of nature would be program music vs absolute music. I can't think of a piece by Mozart that would be considered program music. Views change, yes, Mozart had no more clue as to how the Sun shines or how galaxies formed etc. than anyone else back then, but his elements of music were from nature. Nature is a constant in the sense that our nature can't be changed, and the physics of music can't be changed.

"In this day, would Mozart compose differently? Would he record the sound of nature using electronic means and incorporate that into his music?"

Again, that would be program music. Mozart didn't care about it. Mozart had to curb and constrain his ideas, because his audience was so important for his livelihood. I don't know how it would be for him today. Also, Mozart was a stickler for what he thought was 'good taste' and he would admonish his students and friends for excesses in their compositions and extemporizations. He was famously impressed by the young Beethoven, but he was a little repelled too. He assumed that B. would eventually acquire 'good taste'. lol 'Never happened... and Mozart died before he could learn that he had been wrong. Of course, we know today that B's bad taste was actually the reflection of the beginnings of the Romantic movement in music.

Posted on Oct 22, 2012 11:15:30 AM PDT
Some honestly feel that great classical music was harder to find after the 1800's,

Great paintings harder to find after the 1930's,

Great novels harder to find after the 1940's,

Great jazz harder to find after the 1960's,

The true standard of great art is whether you admire the work MORE 5 or 10 years after you discover it. I predict this will be so of dozens of movies from 2000-2012 but not many albums or singles.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 22, 2012 2:27:14 PM PDT
barbW says:
"Some honestly feel that great classical music was harder to find after the 1800's,"

Yes, it was considered to be played out, in part because composers realized that they would have to compete with the greats who had lived unusual lives, and in part because of what seemed like an anti-classical movement after Mahler.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 22, 2012 4:11:28 PM PDT
E. Dill says:
@Michael Topper/Hinch:

I've brought this up before but I never seem to get an answer. Yeah, some check out satellite radio, etc. but no one seems to comment on their local college stations. Doesn't most towns in or close to a college have a radio station? Unless they are ultra-conservative, don't they have a radio station that plays mostly indie music? Boy, the 3 or 4 in my listening area does. Admittedly, they have less blocks of time devoted to pure eclectic radio, i.e., anything goes for a couple of hours, but even the segmented blocks are full of stuff that you'd probably never hear on commercial radio, AM or FM.

Oddly, the only reason I may have been able to keep up with "good" music in the 50's and 60's as well as today is that there was less of it. So, the good FM stations WOULD, for the most part, keep me informed, although as good as, say, WMMS was in Cleveland in the 70's, etc., I don't think I ever heard them play Captain Beefheart, so there you go. Today, with more good stuff to sift through (I know, I know, it's my opinion and mine only), I do it easily without radio because I have the internet and it takes me but a few minutes to find a new name or two to investigate any day of the week.

I also think that age is a factor.....that most people reach an age where they shut down to new stuff. It was all great then and it's all trash now. The radio stations are all rubbish (and most of them are), the labels and promoters are only in it for the money (this is new?), electronic devices are destroying music (RIP Les Paul, they know not what they say..), the musicians can't play (actually, there is so many of them that can that the notion of an "Eric is God" or Jimi or Duane is quite unlikely. )

Somebody's listening to the radio. They ARE in it for the money and always have been. So they MUST be getting the vibe that they're given the public what they want to hear.....mostly.

ed.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 22, 2012 5:34:51 PM PDT
E. Dill says:
@Michael Topper:

Ok, I'm not very good at meeting my own timetables. I did say I'd complete my Top Ten for 1985 yesterday and and still not REALLY done since I have about 100 albums I want to scan before eliminating them (or embracing them). As for some of those oddities you'd never heard of before, neither had I. They were at the bottom of RYM;s list for 1985 (#901-1000) and I often look there out of curiosity to try and find some REAL unknowns.

But here's my Top 10 so far, now that I've added Kate Bush (she may not stay there for long but we shall see. So it's a Top Ten definitely in a "state of flux".

Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
(Singapore - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOxlFJbyl94)
(Gun Street Girl - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz28AD7qYe8)
(Diamonds & Gold - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwhxjP63ysk)

The Replacements - Tim
(Hold My Life -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHfAel4oZKw)
(Kiss Me On the Bus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDH6W-bU8wo)
(Bastards of Young - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvggqOHKPco)
(Left of the Dial - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvggqOHKPco)

The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
(FULL ALBUM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3CUMjDQAi8)

Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy
(Cut Dead - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1VyE0xE8rc&playnext=1&list=PL3E1C392CD16C5C4D&feature=results_video)
(Living Dead - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KOrenDyKOE)

Husker Du - New Day Rising
(New Day Rising/The Girl Who Lives on Heaven Hill - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khmpHNM3CXk)
(Celebrated Summer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtCL1xq6hNU)

The Golden Palaminos - Vision of Excess
(Only, One Party (w/Arto Lindsay) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thP9Qpltkm4)
(Boy (Go) (w/Michael Stipe) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSUqcmDwMPk)
(The Animal Speaks)(w/John Lydon) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O90m2Me7PW0)

Sonic Youth - Bad Moon Rising
(Hallowe'en - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LOEHMthbcs&feature=related)

Mojo Nixon/skid Roper - ST
(Mushroom Maniac - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVJXuGiJ1UY)
(Jesus at McDonald's - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHwQes6vF-U)

The Smiths - Meat is Murder
(FULL ALBUM (esp. #1/#6)( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QTL8gYdc8M)

Kate Bush - Hounds of Love
(SIDE ONE 1-5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKXmyK13Zzs&playnext=1&list=PL298C08534497F6BA&feature=results_video)

ps. No insult intended by having Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper beat out Kate Bush, your favorite female performer of all time. I guess mine is PJ Harvey now. Laura Nyro might have been although she didn't do much performing for most of her career....just recording. I still remember the first time I laid eyes on Kate, on a tv performance where she sang and danced. It had to be quite a long time ago. I NEVER forgot the performance. She was mesmerizing and, for me, her stage presence had as much to do with my reaction as the music itself. Actually, with some of those early songs she'd done, I'd think of her performance as I listened to, say, Wuthering Heights. (So much for the effects of music videos).

More to come and I'm guessing it won't help you at all in deciding those last two Top Tenners for 1985. Looking at my list, I'm thinking it was another great year. And I haven't even got to Foetus yet.

Q: I've asked this before but when you're compiling a "best of" list, especially one limited to the TOP TEN, are you not affected by, if not compromised by, the reputation of the work itself? I've thought about that a lot....like the whole "Favorite Album of the Year" and "Best Album of the Year" will often get two different answers from the same person. One is personal and the other is affected by artistic reputation. Or so I think is possible.

Posted on Oct 22, 2012 5:51:26 PM PDT
E. Dill says:
@Michael Topper:

And here's my next 15 for 1985 so far......

New Order - Low Life
FULL ALBUM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGMTqQrWSCA

Windbreakers - Terminal -
(Glory - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz-FJrLUcRw)
(Stupid Idea - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLs6_D5eTCY&feature=relmfu)

X (Australian) - At Home with You
(Degenerate Boy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0OIiS6EH8 )

Black Sun ensemble -ST
(see clips and history - http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1592117/a/Black+Sun+Ensemble.htm)

Nico - Camera Obscura
(Camera Obscura - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8RkQAZVe3c)
(Das lied vom einsamen Madchen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Zmknc8mi8)

Johnny Winter - Serious Business'
(Good Time Woman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXEUEC54sk)

The Scientists - You Get What You Deserve
(entire Weird Love comp including most of You Get What You Deserve - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaNRhE2PLC8)

The Birthday Party - It's Still Living (Live)

EIEIO - Land of Opportunity
(This Time - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-aB3EiBL1U&playnext=1&list=PL54F31284CC970397&feature=results_video)

Residents - The Big Bubble
(Hop a Little - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW0GMopfTcU&feature=relmfu)

Gary Numan - White Noise
(Metal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGKNYpe9qyQ)

Killing Joke - Night Time
Tabazan - http://www.allmusic.com/album/night-time-mw0000190496

Popol Vuh - Spirit of Peace
(Entire album - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3KFc1Uon-w)

Meteors - Monkey's Breath
(Alligator Man - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHqQ4KRT9oQ&feature=related)
(Hogs and Cuties - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up5EFFcXyN0&feature=related)

Squeeze - Cosi Fan Tutti Frutti
(King George Street - http://www.allmusic.com/song/king-george-street-mt0011803161)

Posted on Oct 22, 2012 6:01:17 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 22, 2012 6:02:50 PM PDT
@E.Dill: I had said Kate Bush was my favorite female musician (by that, meaning overall musical artist), although she was also a great performer (back when she performed). PJ Harvey is in the top five, though, for sure. I have never heard Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper--guess it'll have to be another one I'll have to check out.

As for "best" album vs. "favorite" album, I personally think it's meaningless to try and pander to some "objective" standard for "best" album, since IMO all music experience and judgement is entirely subjective. Therefore, the albums I choose for my lists are ranked as my personal favorites, no matter what their "outside" reputation. I suppose I'm not infallible and I may be subconsciously influenced by an album's reputation in certain cases, but consciously speaking, I order the rankings on my lists by how much they affect me personally.

Posted on Oct 23, 2012 11:42:16 AM PDT
Markus says:
The only reason that people say that today's music sucks is because they are too lazy to explore less popular music. There are and always will be great bands popping up, they just don't get radio or TV time so you never see them. If you want somthing new, check magazines like Filter or websites like Urban outfitters music blog or http://www.blogotheque.net/. If you dig deep you can find great stuff. I think popular music has always been bad. Maybe it is worse now than 30 years ago, but if you aren't willing to look beyond the mainstream you will surely miss some beautiful stuff.

Posted on Oct 23, 2012 12:54:29 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 24, 2012 3:45:48 AM PDT
Topic question: Is today's music really that bad?

My answer to the topic question: Yes and no, depending on your music interests.

Because my parents raised me on a lot of "middle of the road" oldies, contemporary music I seek it out - whether it is mainstream or indie - is typically "middle of the road".

Posted on Oct 23, 2012 3:06:24 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 23, 2012 4:58:05 PM PDT
E. Dill says:
I've brought this up before but I never seem to get an answer. Yeah, some check out satellite radio, etc. but no one seems to comment on their local college stations. Doesn't most towns in or close to a college have a radio station? Unless they are ultra-conservative, don't they have a radio station that plays mostly indie music?

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My neck of the woods is rural, farming area. Reception on both FM and AM is rather hit and miss. The FM stations with the best reception tend to be either Nashville country or Christian Contemporary. The small handful of colleges that are closest to my listening area and have decent reception are some of the stations playing Christian Contemporary. The AM stations with the best reception are News/Talk. So, I opt to either stream music on the Internet or listen to my iPod or listen to my CDs. The only time I tune in to FM or AM is during emergencies, to find out about school and business closings.

Posted on Oct 23, 2012 3:58:11 PM PDT
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