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Happy 70th, Dave Clark...and a Few Questions


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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 5:58:12 PM PST
Good tracks.
I also like their cover of 'Rumble'.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 5:25:58 PM PST
A few I would add:
On the Move (great instrumental from Catch Us If You Can/Having a Wild Weekend though blatantly ripped off from The Rumblers' Boss)
I've Got to Have a Reason

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 5:08:58 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 6:20:54 PM PST
Some DC 5 songs worth downloading if you don't want to buy bootlegs.

You Know You're Lying
I Love You No More
Don't You Realise
Lost in His Dreams
Any Time You Want Love
Don't Be Taken In
Try Too Hard
I Need Love
Looking In
Five By Five
Move On
Ol' Sol
Man in a Pin Stripe Suit
When
Forget
Good Time Woman
You Don't Want My Loving
Inside and Out

...to name a few. Catchy songs, I wouldn't call them weak.
A lot of them (not all) are LP cuts, which 'hits' compilations usually ignore.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 4:43:42 PM PST
But when the hits dried up in the US, there was a resurgence of hits in the UK.
Band members Smith, Payton, Davidson, wrote many of their songs.
Clark has co-credit on all of them, but there's been some debate on whether he really wrote anything.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 4:40:14 PM PST
The Hermits did write a few of their own songs, but most were on B sides and LPs. ( Some quite good.)
True, they didn't write any of their A sides.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 4:37:39 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 17, 2012 6:06:40 PM PST
If you dig deeper into their catalogue, forgetting the obvious hits, you'll find some really good songs, not weak at all.
When all I knew of their music was the hits on ' 25 Thumping Greats', I used to think they were a bit weak, but when I dug deeper into their catalogue - via bootlegs - I became a much bigger fan of the group, some of their songs were really good, a few 'lost classics' were to be found there.

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 8:17:20 AM PST
S. Stalcup says:
Part of the reason for the wonky availability is Dave Clark made a MINT on his investments during the band's heyday. Case in point, he owns the rights to Ready, Steady, Go! He doesn't need the money so he doesn't keep the records in print. A bit on the eccentric side, supposedly.

As a result, many fans have to resort to wearing clothing made of bin liners if they really want to feel "Glad All Over."

I know, that's a terrible bit of wordplay.

Posted on Dec 17, 2012 5:56:37 AM PST
The DC5 were a good band. SOME of their LP's are surprisingly pretty good. Remember The DC5's most dominate run was 64-65 Singles were still king of the pop market. As the change from singles to albums happened some artists just could not ride with those changes. The DC5's image also did not help them. The DC5 were lumped in with groups like Gerry and The Pacmakers Billy J Kramer and The Dakotas. The DC5 certainly rocked more than some of their fellow British pop acts but they never really made the transition into 67 with 66 being the bridge between more adventerous kinds of records. The group kept going for a while and still made some good songs but by 67 and 68 the glory days were behind them.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 4:17:40 AM PST
Dee Zee says:
Catch Me If You Can and their cover of I Like It Like That are great rock recordings.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 9:17:20 PM PST
Don't mess with the sound. Some of their songs are rough and almost fall apart in places. The fact that it isn't perfect makes it good.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 8:39:03 PM PST
I thought The Dave Clark 5 were second best group after The Beatles when I was a kid. I loved "Glad All Over"and "Catch Us If You Can" and the other singles.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 8:23:04 PM PST
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Steve Vrana says:
And, yet, the Dave Clark Five are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For a brief shining moment in the sixties, the DC5 wrote some amazing singles, had a distinct sound, and one of the great rock vocalists in Mike Smith. Unfortunately (or not, depending on your perspective), they never evolved as a group and their career as a hit-making group in the U.S. lasted barely three years--about the same lifespan as Herman's Hermits.

Don't get me wrong. As a child of the sixties, I liked both bands. Of the first five LP's I ever bought, one was COAST TO COAST by the Dave Clark Five and another was INTRODUCING HERMAN'S HERMITS.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 7:47:55 PM PST
DKPete says:
Dee Zee, I have to agree. They did, however, make quite an initial impact..but most of that, in my opinion, had to do moreso with the heavy (for the time) studio sound rather than the innovations of the group itself. Yes, they had some good songs turned into great records and they had one of the best vocalists around in any Pop/Rock group; but the songriting quality, somewhat limited from the outset, had already started to fizzle drastically by 1965. That said, when they first came around, you couldn't help but single them out for their fresh, unique sounding recordings (as well as their very impressive stage appearance). But if you're going to compare them to the likes of The Byrds, The Beach Boys, The Kinks, The Animals...they couldn't keep up. For what it's worth, on the singles "scene" (at least in the U.S.), the shamlessly lightweight Herman's Hermits fared much better (that's not to say they WERE better but HH were very smart in one crucial money making way...they had no problem leaving all the songwriting to the proven hired hands..this "move" resulted in them having more top ten hits in the mid sixties period than any other British Invasion act except for The Beatles).

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 7:26:09 PM PST
DKPete says:
That makes two of us.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 7:08:23 PM PST
Dee Zee says:
In Regards to other 60s artists who own their publishing, what about Bob Dylan? Does anyone know?

I like the Dc5 hits but in retrospect IMHO their product is somewhat weak compared to other 60s groups.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 7:03:28 PM PST
Steve Vrana says:
Dallas,

Yes, there is a lot of DC5 product available, but consider the following:

The only official CD releases are 1993's THE HISTORY OF THE DAVE CLARK FIVE (which I own) and 2008's THE HITS.

The only official studio albums offered are used vinyl copies.

There are some CD's that are two-fers and three-fers, but these are bootlegs. The collections offering two LP's on one CD are by Rock-In-Beat Records from Hungary. (I own COAST TO COAST/AMERICAN TOUR which includes six bonus tracks from 1964 to 1970.) The 3-on-1 CD collections are by Bits & Pieces Records from the Czech Republic. (I own volumes 1-4.) But let's be clear, these are bootlegs. Neither Epic Records nor Dave Clark have authorized these CD's. To my knowledge there has never been an official release of any of the DC5's studio albums on CD.

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that this website lets third-party vendors sell bootlegs. It is, after all, illegal. Neither the artist, the music publisher, nor the original record label makes a nickel on these.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 6:33:40 PM PST
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Hinch says:
Most of what is available are greatest hits compilations. The few others are pretty expensive.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 5:50:36 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 16, 2012 5:51:41 PM PST
dallas says:
Steve
There is alot DC5 cds and dvds you can buy them on Amazon.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 5:41:23 PM PST
Steve Vrana says:
BFD,

You may be right about Dave Clark being unhappy for whatever reason regarding the songs that he has deleted from some of the DC5 studio albums available on iTunes. However, I still like the warts-and-all approach to rereleasing albums. COAST TO COAST was one of the first five albums I ever bought. The track listing has been ingrained in my memory and it is part of the soundtrack of my youth. To leave out some tracks and add others is jarring. It's one thing to add bonus tracks; it's quite another to replace tracks.

Clark certainly has every right to fiddle with the track listing as he sees fit. I'm just disappointed that he has chosen this path. Clark was a shrewd business man to retain the publishing rights to all of the group's songs from the very beginning. Not even the Beatles were given that option. In fact, I can't name you another sixties act that did. In the meantime, I will cling to my bootleg copies of their first twelve American albums.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 4:46:34 PM PST
My older sister liked the Dave Clark Five but she liked Herman's Hermits better!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 3:56:49 PM PST
Hinch says:
I don't know how true it is, but someone once told me he saw them live and they had musicians backstage covering for them. I believe all their tv appearances were lipsynch.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 3:28:23 PM PST
Dee Zee says:
My question is why there are no clips of DC5 playing live anywhere on the net?

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 2:10:05 PM PST
Dave Clark totally controls all the rights to the DC5's music, so why they are not available on CD is strictly his decision. He is also responsible for it being licensed exclusively to ITunes, and he is responsible for the song changes on particular albums. Many of the songs he has dropped from those albums tend to have one of two characteristics: either they are very poor almost childish songs (Doo Dah), or they are songs that sounded so much like Glad All Over one could wonder if Clark could have sued himself for plagiarism.

Posted on Dec 16, 2012 6:19:37 AM PST
Steve, sounds like you got a good DC5 thing there. The 16 page booklet sounds really cool. I love putting a CD on and reading the liner notes along with it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 16, 2012 6:00:07 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 16, 2012 6:01:23 AM PST
Some of those CDs can still be bought on Amazon.
Of them all, Vol. 1 might be the hardest to find.
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