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Elton John is better than the Beatles.


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Posted on Jan 28, 2012 3:16:04 PM PST
Hinch says:
Elton has always been a singles artist for me. I've liked probably 95% of his single releases. I've also liked many album tracks, but not so many complete albums. In his 33 year recording career, he's probably had more great singles than anyone since The Beatles(8 year career). As much as I like SOME of Elton's 70s albums(Madman Across The Water, Don't Shoot Me..... , Yellow Brick Road), I still prefer the individual efforts of any ex-Beatle in that same decade, with the exception of Ringo. In the 80s and on, Elton had some great singles, but I havent cared for many of his complete albums.

McCartney, who has had the most albums of any ex-Beatle, has certainly had his share of not-so-great albums, but imo, has a much more listenable career than Elton. Paul's upcoming release will be his 23rd solo studio album, including Wings. He has also released several side projects, classical albums, soundtracks and 8 live albums. Elton has released 33 studio albums, quite a few soundtracks and 4 live albums.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2012 6:03:38 PM PST
barbW says:
But you don't say why... Can you put in your own words why you prefer McCartney's stuff?

What is it that you've liked? It could be indescribable.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 28, 2012 6:22:50 PM PST
Hinch says:
It sounds better to me. That's all! Isn't that what makes anyone like any music? They like the sound?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 3:45:26 AM PST
RE: R.I. Carter...have you any idea the level of talent it takes to write a well flowing, effective melody to pre-written lyrics???!!!

For most people, that would seem to make sense. But for John/Taupin, I figured that at some point they must have realized it was easier for them to keep doing it backwards. If it had been easier the more traditional way, one would think they'd have figured it out.

It could just be an odd case where it was actually easier for them that way.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 4:03:18 AM PST
I liked Elton's Madman and Honky Chateau a lot; I thought they were really fine albums. Madman sounds really great on SACD, the best example of any SACD I've ever heard.

I thought there was a dropoff with Yellow Brick Road, though I liked the Funeral for a Friend medley. I found it hard to take Benny and the Jets or the title song from that album seriously. From that point on, with a few exceptions, he just got sappy and lost me for the rest of his career. Well-crafted sap is still sap, so chalk it up, as in most cases, to personal taste.

Elton always struck me as more authentic and much better when he was less commercial. Maybe he was always headed in that direction, trying to figure out the magic formula for pop hits that he did figure out, but the more commercial he became, it seemed to me like he was just cashing in. I've no real idea if he was sort of selling out or if his musical direction had simply changed, but he wasn't the same anymore.

And frankly I think comparing him to The Beatles is a joke. I have no problem admitting that he's had a fine, accomplished career, but his body of work just doesn't stand up to the Beatles' body of work. And yes, I did take the thread title as a joke, another play on the theme of "Is so-and-so better than The Beatles."

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 4:36:57 AM PST
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loz says:
zapatos, Well said, although I thought Goodbye Yellow Brick Road is a great album. Off that I also like Grey Seal, great song. I thought it was later, with Blue Moves, that he started to go downhill. Too Low For Zero was a return to brilliance, but some of it is unfortunately 80s'd (I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues is a great song). Honky Chateau, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Tumbleweed Connection, Caribou, Captain Fantastic, 2v40. That's 6 high quality albums. I haven't heard 'Madman Across The Water', 'Don't Shoot Me I'm Only The Piano Player' or 'Elton John' but I know they have some great hits on them. This puts Elton up there with Bowie on the achievement meter. But it doesn't match the Beatles, 11 (or 12?) high quality albums, and a culture change of which Elton was more of an effect than a cause. Sorry E. P. Haufe, Elton is great, but he ain't THAT great.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 4:50:43 AM PST
the beatles where not around as long as Elton ..not a fair statement

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 5:04:10 AM PST
It seems like our opinions of EJ are not too far apart. If you like the earlier stuff, I think you'll like Madman.

I think that the only reason EJ's achievements might equal Bowie's is because Bowie went away from commercialism at times while EJ seemed to always embrace it. Bowie always returned to it, but he took a lot of detours along the way. It seemed to me that he did what he wanted a lot of the time, in the same vein as Neil Young did, rather than cater strongly to fans or record companies.

I want to say that Bowie probably could have achieved more -- meaning more high-charting releases -- than he did had he stayed more squarely in the mainstream, but maybe he couldn't stay there all the time. It remains a hypothetical for that reason. Maybe he *had* to take those detours. He admitted after the Ziggy Stardust persona that he needed to find a new one; he couldn't be Ziggy forever.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 5:08:24 AM PST
Hinch says:
Imo, MADMAN ACROSS THE WATER may be his best album.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 1:47:06 PM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
No, Captain fantastic and the brown dirt cowboy.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 1:53:18 PM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
the beatles where not around as long as Elton ..not a fair statement (where)??
Why not? The Stones have been around longer than any other group.
Many groups are. CAN YOU SAY - STAYING POWER !
Thats what the beatles DIDN'T HAVE.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 1:55:56 PM PST
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ELVIS FAN says:
Actually, I liked his (Paul M.) few hits he had in the 70's WAY more than ANY songs he made with the 4brit band.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 1:59:36 PM PST
DKPete says:
EF....I'm stunned...we agree on something.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 2:02:53 PM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
Loz,I have his cd of 'Don't Shoot Me I'm Only The Piano Player' and it is great listening. Typical Vintage Elton! Rock on!

Side one
1."Daniel"
2."Teacher I Need You"
3."Elderberry Wine"
4."Blues for My Baby and Me"
5."Midnight Creeper"

Side two
6."Have Mercy on the Criminal"
7."I'm Going to Be a Teenage Idol"
8."Texan Love Song"
9."Crocodile Rock" - 3:58
10."High Flying Bird" - 4:12

Bonus tracks (1995 Mercury and 1996 Rocket reissue)
11."Screw You (Young Man's Blues)"
12."Jack Rabbit"
13."Whenever You're Ready (We'll Go Steady Again)"
14."Skyline Pigeon" [Piano version]

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 2:03:21 PM PST
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DKPete says:
"Staying Power" in the physical sense does not necessarily mean "good music". Staying Power can come in different ways...The Beatles ceased to physically exist in 1970 but the music stayed on and on and will conrinue to. The Beatles' music (AND MR PRESLEY'S) has more "staying power" than evrything combined done by The Stones in the last 25 years.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 2:17:45 PM PST
Oh, I thought he said staining power!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 2:24:14 PM PST
Hinch says:
That's always been one of favorite Elton John albums. I like every song.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 2:43:55 PM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
I was just stating the fact that the stones have been around longer than anybody. Thats a certain staying power, or stamina. But stones have Not really progressed musically, or at least haven't done so in recent years.
But at least they are not afraid to go live. I respect them for that.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 2:45:01 PM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
Skyline Pigeon is one of my favorites from Elton.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 2:50:44 PM PST
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ELVIS FAN says:
wdykat!
If you didn't get it....
what do you know about that!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 3:08:01 PM PST
DKPete says:
ELVIS FAN...okay..it IS very cool that they still do performances (I'm a big Stones, in general, by the way). but ask yourself this...what's the point? Other than to play for the sake of playing (and making more money) what is the point when, artistically, they have nothing further to say?? Okay...so they go onstage and run down all the hits which the classic Rock radio listeners want to hear and we go home. Whoopee. You know that I'm a huge Beatle fan but I'll say the same thing about McCartney...I love Paul and The Beatles but watching him NOW, trying to re-create, is a shuddering experience for me.

"Staying Power", for me, is about the longevity of the art that's created...when it comes to the actual artist themselves, it's about being able to continuously create and put out stuff which is relevant to the current times. The Stones have not done that. Paul is doing it, but only barely.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 4:16:03 PM PST
S. Hoats says:
You could not be more wrong. People might say it's all subjective. And I guess there is some truth to that. However The Beatles are The Best Pop Band of all time! Their impact was and continues to be enormous! I really don't think it can be measured! Their on going influence continues to ribble through time and shows no sign of stopping or slowing down. Even If one does not like The Beatles, Their talent,influence, and impact on music and culture changed the world. And I don't believe that many musicans can compare to that or deny that.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 4:18:58 PM PST
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DK

As you have stated yourself, this is all very subjective. I think Paul's last two albums have been very relevant. Maybe not to the younger listening audience, but does that mean us old fogies should just dry up and wait on the doorstep of the retirement home? And his concerts are a great experience to everyone who goes to them. I saw him twice last summer and both were fantastic entertainment, for the young and old alike. Yeah, he doesn't sound near as good vocally as he did in the 70's, but he still loves to perform and his fans love that bond he creates live that you can't forge on a record. I imagine it's the same for the Stones and their fans.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2012 4:40:19 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 29, 2012 5:08:41 PM PST
Hinch says:
Good post! No one ever says anything about the blues men who played till they died, or people like Bill Monroe who played bluegrass until he died. People should do what makes them happy, as long as people are wanting to see them play.

Willie Nelson is almost 79 and Tony Bennett almost 86. Neither are showing signs of stopping.

Posted on Jan 29, 2012 5:00:22 PM PST
D. Tucker says:
To see Elton John live in the 70's and 80's was comparable to seeing Michael Jackson in the 90's. Elton had the highest valued recording contracts in the early 80's making him one of the greatest recording artist of all time.
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