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Elton John is better than the Beatles.


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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 3, 2012 7:18:20 PM PST
Hinch says:
I saw ELP twice in the 70s and Emerson was a great showman, besides being a great keyboard player. I saw him playing upside down. Not just he was upside down over the keyboard. Both he AND the keyboard were upside down. He was still sitting on the bench playing. Now that's hard to do.

Posted on Feb 4, 2012 2:30:47 AM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
F. said:
As I've said before, I like both Elvis and The Beatles. Most Beatle fans do. Elvis fans are the ones who have a problem with The Beatles. (Elvis didn't feel threatened. He knew they would never reach his heights, even though they hid away in a comfortable studio and made album after album, without ever having to be critiqued by the public thru live sessions, or live concerts. Thats not being the best. Thats commercialism at its greediest. That I don't have respect for.) ELVIS IS 2ND TO NONE. ***************************
I have a problem with popularity versus talent. Elvis had way more talent and actually had a singing voice while the others just harmonized. Any group can do that and has done that sucessfully. They had the popularity, and promotion because of G. martin thats it. They were constructed from the beginning to force their popular pop sounds to the public (down their thoats) with unrelenting propaganda, and commercialism. So you and others criticized Tom Parker of the same thing they did with the beatles, with George martin the leading the way. And no, every album was not Number 1. Thats laughable.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 3:58:03 AM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
Not.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 8:25:08 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 4, 2012 9:05:40 AM PST
barbW says:
Did Elvis write any of the songs he chose to release? How much of the development of his distinctive delivery was his idea? I don't know, I'm asking...

Elvis was a phenomenon who came along at a lucky time. And the Beatles were too, but they were more opportunistic, when you refer to the commerciality and the commercial landscape that boosted them.

The Beatles composed their songs or at least finalized their choices for release with an internal give and take, and later with Martin. John and Paul (and George) would offer their latest ideas and then the decisions would be made about the potential success of each choice, I'm assuming.

Elton received the lyrics from Bernie, composed the chord sequence and melody to fit the words and then polished up the recording attempts with some interactions with his band members. Elton had to be by himself in order to pour out his emotions in musical phrases. Very primal (and we feel it). He knew what he wanted from the purely musical configurations (notes and chords).

All 3 acts and their creative activities were quite different, but they all found a large and separate niche in which to sell their recordings. I think that Elton has proven himself to be the most competent as both a composer and a performer, as he's created songs under many different influences in every different decade of ever-changing pop music. And he did it mostly alone, compared to the others. It continually reflected his own maturing vision (except during the years, here and there, of his personal problems, not unlike Elvis with his and the Beatles with theirs).

As musicians, as we reduce the best songs of three so that we (our combo) can perform and project them, it's much less easy to rank their top song choices, but Elton still comes out ahead. Elton's are less linked to a commercial phenomenon or a decade or personalities or a political time, and so they're less liable to sound stylized or out of place or mawkish or trite/passé. That's our opinion, anyway.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 8:43:58 AM PST
Hinch says:
>And no, every album was not Number 1<

Yes they were. All twelve of their original albums were #1.

Posted on Feb 4, 2012 9:36:53 AM PST
First of all, remember that Elton just wrote the music. Bernie wrote the lyrics; both of which were mostly great over the years, but better than the Beatles?! Some songs sure, but overall I don't think so.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 10:06:30 AM PST
DKPete says:
F...except for Yellow Submarine.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 10:26:30 AM PST
Hinch says:
DKPete

You are correct. YELLOW SUBMARINE reached #1 in Canada but not the U.S. or U.K. It reached #2, but was kept from reaching #1 by their own album THE BEATLES(white album) which was #1. The Beatles didnt consider it to be a proper album, because it was a soundtrack and had Beatles songs only on one side.
All their other albums, including the EP MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR reached #1, some in several country. Their last 3 studio albums, The White Album, ABBEY RD and LET IT BE reached #1 around the world.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 10:45:04 AM PST
DKPete says:
F...interesting..I didn't consider Canada...even more interesting from a personal level, I bought my very first copy of the YS album while we were visiting Canada in 1969..it had just been released-one of my cousins had already gotten it and I had to have my own copy (my album buying days in their infancy at that time)...so I guess I helped make it number one :)...when we went back the Summer of 1970, the same cousin owned a copy of Let It Be which was way cooler than what we got in the U.S....the Canadians were treated to the boxed version with the book. Unfortunately, my sense of collectability hadn't kicked in yet...since I had already bought the album here (with the measly gatefold cover), I felt I didn't need to buy it again-the book and box notwithstanding...over the years, I consider this to be one of my most regrettable Beatle moves.

Posted on Feb 4, 2012 11:01:36 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 4, 2012 11:02:52 AM PST
ukcolin says:
Nevermind.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 11:10:18 AM PST
DKPete says:
werranth..very well written, thought out post.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 1:33:40 PM PST
ronct says:
Good post. Today while driving home Elton's John song 'Rocket Man' was playing and I was thinking what a great a song it really is. I then got to thinking about his music after it, and I don't think he ever reached that level of greatness in his music ever again. He wrote some catchy songs and even thought maybe 'Yellow Brick Road' was equal but even that song seemed to much "lighter" in sound than the early Elton. Beyond the 'Yellow Brick Road' album I couldn't even listen to his music any longer as it had gone completely light adult contemporary. There was the occasional song like 'Empty Garden' but Elton really stopped creating great music by the mid 70's IMO.

I would have said Paul McCartney's solo career wasn't that much different except he came back with some good albums since the late 80's, and his last 3 releases have been some of his best since the Beatles broke up. Unfortunately IMO, Elton has never gotten his original groove back and hasn't written any music of significance in decades.

Posted on Feb 4, 2012 3:16:04 PM PST
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ELVIS FAN says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 3:23:20 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 3:24:15 PM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
Did you see his Live in Australia concert?
That was amazing.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 3:41:51 PM PST
DKPete says:
The "1" album, which just got re-issued a few months ago, was the number one album on itunes. That's some "fading away".

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 4:08:04 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 4, 2012 9:11:34 PM PST
Hinch says:
>the Canadians were treated to the boxed version with the book<

Never knew that. I did hear about the book, but never knew it was released with the album.

I have a very nice bootleg set titled GET BACK. I'm thinking it has 8 cds. It's in a very heavy record album size box. It has cloth on the outside and looks like a trunk, with straps across the top. It contains a nice book. I'm wondering if it's a copy of the original book.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 4:26:11 PM PST
ELVIS FAN says:
The Beatles(you mean,GM) composed their songs or at least finalized their choices for release.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 4:32:49 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 6, 2012 1:03:33 PM PST
sowhat says:
Absolutely, positively, Elton John's music is way past the Beatles. The Bee Gee's music is far superior to the Beatles and Barry Gibb has written for some of the biggest artist in the business.
His collaboration with Streisand on "Guility" is a classic one of the best CD ever made. Then he made one with Dionne Warwick that was very successful. I don't understand the iconic worship of them and their music. Elton John with Tim Rice have written some of those most melodic music that exists and so many more generes than the Beatles !!!...

Posted on Feb 4, 2012 4:41:21 PM PST
George John says:
Ha Ha Ha! Good one, E.P.! And Springsteen is better than Dylan.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 5:02:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 5, 2012 3:57:11 PM PST
Hinch says:
I'm still wondering why you think The Beatles faded, since they still sell many cds not to mention digital downloads which put several of their albums in the top 10 the same week in 2011.

1995/1996 - 2 double disc anthologies of previously unreleased recordings reached the top 5 in several countries around the world.

2000 - "1" a compilation of The Beatles 27 #1 records in the U.S and U.K., was released and topped the charts at #1 around the world. It has sold over 31 million copies. It's the world's top selling album in the 21st century and the top selling album in the U.S. from 2000 to 2009. It's also the 7th best selling album since 1991. It's also the fastest selling album in history.

2006 - LOVE was released. It was a mash-up of Beatles recordings and remixes for the Cirque du Soleil show LOVE, which used only Beatles music. It reached the top 5 around the world, including #1 in Canada and Europe and #2 or #3 in several countries.

2009 - THE BEATLES BOX SET was released. It contains all 13 original albums plus PAST MASTERS, which contains all their non-album singles. It went into the top 40 in several countries around the world and received the Grammy for The Best Historical Album. In the U.S. the set debuted at #15 on Billboard. In Japan the set debuted at #6, selling over 35,000 copies in its first week. Over 30 million box sets have been sold so far.

Now give me some facts, not your opinon, to support your claim The Beatles have faded and have been forgotten, as you've said many times.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 5:21:36 PM PST
ronct says:
From what you posted I doubt you will ever understand so why bother trying? Simple, go to a thread you can understand.

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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 4, 2012 8:35:53 PM PST
But ELVIS FAN, SIR Elton is a 'brit'.
Does that make you a 'brit lover' ???
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