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Posted on Sep 16, 2010 7:09:12 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
I'm not really digging the title of this thread because of the "vs." like it's a Celebrity Death Match or something (although THAT would be fun to see...).

Just because one is great doesn't mean the other isn't too. And just because you like or even prefer one doesn't mean you can't like the other. I like both, but prefer Prince by a country mile.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 16, 2010 10:24:05 PM PDT
Suze says:
At least you admitted it....

Posted on Sep 16, 2010 10:26:17 PM PDT
Suze says:
Check out this story:

http://www.examiner.com/pop-culture-in-anaheim/michael-jackson-lady-gaga-hold-world-record-as-most-searched-for-on-internet#comment-11764841

New celebrity world record-holders were announced today from the new Guinness World Records 2011 edition. The Guinness World Records are compiled annually and contain the most comprehensive collection of the greatest record-breaking achievements from the past decade and beyond. Released on Tuesday, the 2011 edition shows Michael Jackson and Lady Gaga as the most searched-for people, male and female, on the internet.

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Prince didn't make the list. Oh well.....

Now I know people are going to jump in and say just because he's the most searched for person on the internet (still) doesn't make him a better artist than Prince.....

Well, I just enjoyed posting that story.....is all I can say.

Posted on Sep 17, 2010 5:15:38 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
At least I admitted it? Hell yeah, I admit it!! When have I even partially hidden it? I like Prince better than MJ and I think he's more talented. I'd feel kinda silly if I didn't...

And wow, you're really proud that MJ is up there with LADY GAGA in highest number of searches on the internet? Yes, that's the true measure of musical greatness, no doubt about that!

Posted on Oct 26, 2010 10:11:59 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 26, 2010 10:18:53 PM PDT
Prince has a great concert anyone can listen to for free on Wolfgangs Vault website from an aftershow (3 am?) in San Francisco. He does a great cover of "What is Hip" by Tower of Power.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 12, 2012 10:29:49 AM PST
Prince far exceeds MJ in talent, and his death will be greatly missed.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 12, 2012 2:13:17 PM PST
Mike EB says:
Quincy Jones' role in producing Michael's albums is way over stated mainly by MJ haters who have no clue who did what in the studio. It's just an easy criticism to lob out with no facts.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 12, 2012 2:16:29 PM PST
Mike EB says:
In the US probably not. But worldwide I believe MJ has far outsold Elvis and the Beatles

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 12, 2012 3:36:39 PM PST
Mike EB says:
McDonalds has sold my burgers then any restaurant in the history of man ...but it's not the best burger I've ever had.

Does the fact that 75% of MJ's records were sold to 11-12 year olds' weigh in here?

Posted on Feb 13, 2012 9:38:15 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 13, 2012 9:39:22 AM PST
ZzBridges says:
Mike EB:

"In the US probably not." Definitely true.

"But worldwide I believe MJ has far outsold Elvis and the Beatles." Definitely not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Yeah I know it's "Wikipedia" but I'm pretty sure it pretty accurate.

"McDonalds has sold my burgers then any restaurant in the history of man ...but it's not the best burger I've ever had." Definitely true "in my opine".
Popularity does not automatically cross to superior talent.
I'm repeating (from other forums) myself but I have yet to have anyone prove it wrong.

Posted on Feb 13, 2012 4:27:56 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 13, 2012 4:30:49 PM PST
Eddie H. says:
It's almost like apples and oranges.....
but if there was a gun to my head to pick one it would be Prince....with ease
---Prolific songwriter and great songs at that,one of the great guitarist, mastered many instuments, great showman
---Michael...great showman, and dancer...made but 5 proper solo albums in 30 years....wrote half the songs on his albums(Until later on)

Posted on Feb 13, 2012 5:57:44 PM PST
D. Mok says:
> "But worldwide I believe MJ has far outsold Elvis and the Beatles." Definitely not.

By most accounts I've read, Elvis and The Beatles have worldwide sales figures above Michael Jackson. It's just that records for sales are less accurate from the '50s and '60s. Michael Jackson's worldwide sales are huge, but also remember that he's released far, far, far fewer albums and singles than Presley or The Beatles, and he's also had nearly 20 years less time to reach his sales figures.

And in the U.S., Jackson is a good 50 per cent behind Presley and The Beatles. Again, more because Jackson's music releases were so few and far between. However, to scale, Michael Jackson's popularity may be interpreted as being higher: More records sold with fewer releases in a shorter time period.

Posted on Nov 19, 2012 2:56:29 AM PST
Right on D.

Posted on Nov 20, 2012 12:23:51 AM PST
Hinch says:
Prince wrote most of his songs. I think he's only recorded a couple of covers. The only two I know of for sure are "Betcha By Golly Wow" a hit by The Stylistics, and "One of Us" the Joan Osborne hit written by Eric Bazilian of The Hooters.

Prince is also a multi-instrumentalist who has released albums on which he played every instrument.

Michael Jackson wrote quite a few songs, but he also recorded many songs written by others. I believe the piano is the only instrument Michael played.

Michael Jackson was a great performer and I liked quite a few of his recordings, but I prefer Prince by far. Prince is a great guitar player and has recorded a wide variety of styles.

Posted on Nov 20, 2012 2:20:28 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 20, 2012 10:41:35 AM PST
D. Mok says:
> Prince wrote most of his songs.

So did Michael Jackson. Of his 12 U.S. #1 singles, Michael Jackson wrote eight of them, alone. Since the Bad album, Jackson has written or co-written 85 to 95 per cent of the songs on his albums, and keep in mind that he chooses from a library of 200 to 500 songs when he records. That's not counting the songs he wrote for other artists like Diana Ross, Rebbie Jackson, and The Jacksons. The lower ratio on Off the Wall and Thriller probably had more to do with Quincy Jones' work habits than Jackson's writing ability; Jones came from jazz, so he had a mindset of "picking the best songs, no matter who wrote them", which is very different from how one works with singer-songwriters. If Quincy Jones were producing Laura Nyro or Paul McCartney -- or Prince -- they probably wouldn't have written every song on an album, either. Prince got sole songwriting credit on his records because he seized the power to do so and refused to listen to others who might differ. Frankly, probably both Jackson and Prince could have used a quality-control producer like Quincy Jones at least from time to time. Jackson had filler like "Speed Demon", "Jam" and "Scream"; Prince had entire weak albums like Lovesexy and Come. Prince was certainly stronger when he had smart musicians like Lisa Coleman, Wendy Melvoin, Bobby Z. and Dr. Fink to play off, rather than the dead fish that made up The New Power Generation. Tony M. and Rosie Gaines...ugh, what clowns.

Posted on Nov 20, 2012 10:27:46 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 20, 2012 10:31:20 AM PST
Johnny Bee says:
Jeez!

I prefer Meade Skelton to Michael Jackson

Posted on Nov 22, 2012 10:21:44 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 24, 2012 9:43:10 AM PST
I have never liked Jackson's music, .. . or certainly not during his solo career ( during the 80's which was his peak in popularity, the era during which I personally remember him the most, and I think the era we're specifically disscusing here ) anyway. I remember those albums Thriller and Bad. Despite the hoopla over those two albums and the fact that they sold a bazillion copies, they really weren't anything incredible musically imo. The music on those albums was nothing but typical disco and pop, .. . nothing amazingly original or innovative about it. I thought the best thing about HIM was actually his DANCING, . .. which was better than his music in fact. His "Moonwalk" and stuff, . .. that admittedly kinda wowed me over. Musically he was better as a child in the Jackson 5. THEY had some songs I like, .. . like Ben.

Prince had allot of good songs in his early days, particularly his dirtier ones. Porn funk I like to call it, which I thought was very novel ( in its time ) and entertaining. He got a little to popular, commercial and over-hyped later during the mid 80's, with Purple Rain and sh**. Got kind of sick of him after that. He was much more musically inventive and original than Jackson for sure.

Posted on Nov 22, 2012 10:49:13 PM PST
Hinch says:
Michael may have written a large portion of his hits. He recorded many songs he didn't write. Out of the many albums Prince has released, he wrote every song on most. Prince also wrote hits for others. We could talk 'ifs' all day.

Posted on Nov 22, 2012 11:09:36 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 23, 2012 12:19:47 AM PST
Hinch says:
Ian, What makes you think I gave you a negative vote? Believe me, I did not. If you notice, you're not the only one who get's negative votes.

Posted on Nov 23, 2012 5:25:32 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 23, 2012 7:34:02 AM PST
D. Mok says:
> they really weren't anything incredible musically imo. The music on those albums was nothing but typical disco and pop

You can dislike Thriller and Bad all you want, but to call them "disco" shows a real lack of knowledge about disco and R&B. Of the 20 songs on these two albums, the only track with a disco feel is Thriller's "Baby Be Mine". The '80s synthesizers on Thriller do *not* automatically make "disco"; disco has a very specific sound. Now, Off the Wall, that one has more than a few disco songs; not surprising, since it was released in 1979.

> Michael may have written a large portion of his hits. He recorded many songs he didn't write.

So what? So did Ray Charles. And the result of Prince having that much control over his recording and releasing process is that he has released many, many, many fillers on his records -- and also entire albums that just aren't very good, because he didn't have the discipline to trim them down or can them. The only Prince album I can listen to from beginning to end, without skipping a single song, is 1999.

Posted on Nov 23, 2012 6:35:57 AM PST
Hinch says:
Yes. Many great artists have recorded covers. Prince may have recorded a few albums that some think were not good. That would be a matter of opinion. Imo, the album 1999 was the beginning of a long string of great albums, including some multi-disc releases. EMANCIPATION is one of his best.

Posted on Nov 23, 2012 6:56:37 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 23, 2012 7:04:51 AM PST
Hinch says:
>So what?< so Michael Jackson didn't write most of his songs, even if he did write 2/3 of his hits on his last several albums beginning with OFF THE WALL. I never said there's anything wrong with doing covers. I only stated a fact. Michael released several albums before OFF THE WALL on which he wrote none. Prince wrote almost every song he recorded, from the beginning.

Posted on Nov 23, 2012 7:32:38 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 23, 2012 8:00:33 AM PST
D. Mok says:
> I never said there's anything wrong with doing covers.

What are you talking about?
Doing a Rod Temperton song is not the same as "doing a cover". "Doing covers" is an absolute misrepresentation of Michael Jackson's recording history.

> Michael released several albums before OFF THE WALL on which he wrote none.

You're also conveniently skimping on the fact that those were all recorded for Motown. Motown didn't *allow* any of the Jackson brothers to put their own songs on their records. (Berry Gordy, Jr. often gave himself a co-writing credit on songs, so this policy was not surprising -- Motown was never about developing the artists; it was about making money for Gordy.) Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder -- two of R&B/soul's greatest writer-producers -- didn't do their own material, either, until they forced an ultimatum on Motown Records, which was political muscle that the Jackson brothers didn't have at Motown, since Michael was just 17 when they left.

Even after The Jacksons had signed with Epic Records, they didn't get to write their own albums until Destiny in 1978 -- not coincidentally, the biggest Jacksons album.

Posted on Nov 23, 2012 7:47:23 AM PST
Hinch says:
It's not a misrepresentation at all. If an artist records a song he didn't write, it's a cover.
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