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Dio era Rainbow or Dio era Sabbath, which rules?


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Initial post: Oct 2, 2011 9:02:56 PM PDT
You know that Ronnie James Dio is a great singer and songwriter. He made some of his best work with Ritchie and Tony. But which group was actually better: Rainbow or Sabbath/Heaven and Hell. Please include live albums in the discussion.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 2, 2011 9:41:03 PM PDT
Both rule. 2 of my favorite guitarists of alltime playing some of my favorite music. I rate the albums like this-
1. Heaven and Hell-Sabbath
2. Rising-Rainbow
3. Mob Rules-Sabbath
4. Rainbow-Rainbow
5. Long Live Rock and Roll-Rainbow
6. Devil You Know-Heaven and Hell/Sabbath
7. Dehumanizer

Live Albums
1. On Stage-Rainbow
2. Neon Nights-HH/Sabbath
3. Live Evil-Sabbath

Songs

1. Heaven and Hell-Sabbath
2. Stargazer-Rainbow
3. Die Young-Sabbath
4. Tarot Woman-Rainbow
5. Sign Of the Southern Cross-Sabbath
6. Catch the Rainbow-Rainbow
7. Bible Black-HH/Sabbath
8. Gates of Babylon-Rainbow
9. Neon Knights-Sabbath
10. Kill the King-Rainbow
11. Too Late-Sabbath
12. 16th Century Greensleeves-Rainbow
13. Country Girl-Sabbath
14. Temple of the King-Rainbow
15. Lonely is the Word-Sabbath
16. Light in the Black-Rainbow
17. Mob Rules-Sabbath
18. Man on the Silver Mountain-Rainbow
19. Over and Over-Sabbath
20. Falling Off the Edge of the World-Sabbath

So close but, Sabbath has more great songs than Rainbow. If only both had lasted longer!

Posted on Oct 4, 2011 10:58:27 AM PDT
You've gotta get the 3 live double cds from Rainbow 1976. They are the complete shows and have been remastered. I like em all. They have to be above or even with On Stage.

Posted on Oct 4, 2011 12:32:18 PM PDT
Mod Rocker says:
I pity the Rock fans that can't relate to this stuff... UTTERLY made my high school years.... The LORD of the RINGS of ROCK !!

Posted on Oct 4, 2011 12:35:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 4, 2011 12:37:23 PM PDT
vivazappa says:
Dio/Rainbow...because it is the definitive version of that band...
Ozzy's version of the Sabs is the definitive version of that band...
But it's d@mn close!!!
RIP RONNIE!!!

Posted on Oct 4, 2011 1:39:48 PM PDT
Working Man says:
vivazappa, I agree:

Dio/Rainbow...because it is the definitive version of that band...
Ozzy's version of the Sabs is the definitive version of that band..

This is all true and is why my first instinct was to pick Dio/Rainbow. I might go with Dio/Sabbath as the overall better band based on Butler and Ward. However, if we're comparing the music and what we like better then I will rate them. Although, I don't everything Dio/Sabbath did.

Studio
1. Heaven and Hell - Sabbath
2. Rising - Rainbow
3. Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
4. Long Live Rock and Roll - Rianbow
5. The Mob Rules - Sabbath
6. Dehumanizer

I don't have "Devil You Know" from Heaven and Hell/Sabbath so I cannot rate it.

Live albums:
1a. On Stage - Rainbow
1b. Live in Düsseldorf 1976 - Rainbow
1c. Rainbow - Live In Köln 1976
1d Live in Europe - Rainbow
1e. Live In Munich 1977 - Rainbow
2. Live Evil - Black Sabbath

The Rainbow live albums from 1976 seemed to have been released on various different titles that you have to be careful not to buy the same one twice. I think the Live in Europe is the same as Live in Germany and it's a single disc of one of the double live discs. For example, "Live in Cologne 1976 " I believe is the same as "ive In Köln 1976".

I don't have "Neon Nights" so I cannot rate it.

Posted on Apr 19, 2012 4:56:08 PM PDT
Man, I miss Ronnie James a bunch.

Concerts with Ronnie: Rainbow at Berkeley Community Theater 1976
Black Sabbath in Hawaii in 1980 and again in 1981

He was an amazing singer!

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 5:38:48 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
I definitely listen to Dio's work in Rainbow more than the stuff he did with Sabbath, although I'll take his work with Elf over either. Trying to Burn the Sun and Carolina County Ball. Great albums....

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 6:13:28 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 20, 2012 6:13:48 AM PDT
vivazappa says:
This might not be quite on track but tomorrow is Record Store day.
Ozzy has a double LP of a live 81 solo tour with Rhodes.
The last tune is "RR"...a lost Randy Rhodes solo...I gotta find me a copy of this one!

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 11:19:51 AM PDT
I love Ronnie James Dio in all of his forms. He is a Hall of Famer to me. I am a huge Rainbow fan and their cds still see a good amount of time in my rotation. I think that he and Ritchie were a complement to each other, great lyrics, great music. However, Black Sabbaths " Heaven and Hell " is one of my favorite Rock records ever. From the first time that I put it on the turntable and right up until now, that album has always kicked my a$$ in the rock n roll sense. IMO it has the finest group of songs that Sabbath ever wrote and I feel that has everything to do with Ronnie. Tony Iommi scorches on this album. I don't like to choose favorites but since you asked, I choose Ronnie with Sabbath because of Heaven and Hell alone.

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 12:06:48 PM PDT
Sorry Ozzy as I agree with Daniel 110%....
"Heaven and Hell" is Black Sabbath's greatest recording and one of the best rock records ever released....

Posted on Apr 20, 2012 3:04:13 PM PDT
Micaloneus says:
Dio, the man on the silver mountain!!! Rainbow with Dio gets my vote.

Posted on Apr 28, 2012 9:40:10 AM PDT
maiden pa. says:
While his stint in Rainbow is longer and the influence on power metal by Rainbow is a fact,I think Heaven and Hell is the best Sabbath album of all time.However, I can't say Rainbow with RJD is second to his work in Sabbath.I will say RJD was gold.The best Heavy Metal vocalist and songwriter period!When he came to Sabbath they were glad to get a vocalist to write.Butler and Ward did most under the Ozzy era.Face it,Ronnie James Dio had it.The golden voice and songwriting ability to match.There won't come along his like in Heavy Metal.

Posted on Apr 28, 2012 9:57:15 AM PDT
metal maniac says:
Sabbath!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 7:57:56 AM PDT
club 7 says:
rainbow rising by a hair is his most powerfull statement though heaven and hell would be next album wise.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012 10:59:58 AM PDT
I have to say "The Devil You Know" is probably the most "Black Sabbath" sounding album the band (even if not using their name) did since the 70's (actually, even their classic Ozzy years didn't always sound as "heavy" as the band's name and reputation always made me expect).

Posted on Apr 29, 2012 11:25:54 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 7, 2012 1:21:22 PM PDT
Zaplightning says:
Ronnie James is one of my favorites of all time. The first two Rainbow albums are excellent. Tony, Geezer and Bill were raised from the ashes when Ronnie joined Sabbath. "The Devil You Know" is a very heavy album, and Ronnie didn't lose any singing ability. I can't think of many singers who still brought it after so many years in the music scene as Ronnie did. I can't pick which I like better, Dio era Rainbow or Sabbath. However these are my favorite albums with Ronnie.

Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
Rainbow Rising
Long Live Rock & Roll
Holy Diver
Heaven And Hell
Mob Rules
Dehumanizer
The Devil You Know

Posted on May 10, 2012 3:43:49 PM PDT
maiden pa. says:
Which Dio tour do you like? Heaven and Hell-Black and Blue or Rainbow with Cozy Powell or Dio Sacred Heart or Last in Line tour.

Posted on May 11, 2012 8:17:47 PM PDT
tough... really tough...

i'm gonna have to go with rainbow. i prefer dio era anything, he is my favorite musician.

Rainbow:
Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow
Rising
On Stage
Live in Germany '76
Live in Numenberg
Live in Dusseldorf
Live in Kolner Sporthalle
Long Live Rock and Roll
Live in Munich

Sabbath:
Heaven and Hell
Mob Rules
Live Evil
Live at Hammersmith Odeon (better than Live Evil imo)
Dehumanizer
Live at Radio City Hall '07
The Devil You Know
Neon Nights Live at the Wacken '09

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 5, 2012 4:40:10 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 5, 2012 4:42:13 PM PDT
Micaloneus says:
> "The Devil You Know" is a very heavy album, and Ronnie didn't lose any singing ability.

I disagree about Dio not losing any singing ability. He sounded pretty good, but he was showing signs of wear and tear.
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