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Going to see Cheap Trick Saturday - No Bun E Carlos - WHY???


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Initial post: Sep 18, 2012 2:49:11 PM PDT
Going to see Cheap Trick Saturday - No Bun E Carlos - Why???

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 18, 2012 3:17:47 PM PDT
He has back problems that don't allow him to travel anymore.

Posted on Sep 18, 2012 4:13:11 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 21, 2012 12:48:50 AM PDT
Hinch says:
From what I understand. although Bun E doesn't tour, he's still a member of the band. Last I heard Rick Nielsen's son was playing drums as his replacement.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 18, 2012 4:30:13 PM PDT
Two Tub Man says:
Bun E. left the band 2-1/2 years ago. They claim he's still a member, but they've been in the studio without him.
No explanations have been offered. I've heard rumors of Bun's ongoing back problems causing friction with the others
over the length of the set lists. Over the last decade, the shows I've seen have rarely lasted over 1:15. Since Daxx has
come on board, the shows have been considerably longer, the set lists have been much more varied.
Daxx also took over when Bun E had back surgery in the 90's. The guy's not a bad drummer, his style is very similar
to uncle Bun's. Daxx replacing a guy who is (IMO) one of the best drummers in r & r history.
But after all these years, it's really weird, and a bit jarring, to see Cheap Trick up there without Bun E .

Posted on Sep 18, 2012 5:23:40 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 18, 2012 6:40:27 PM PDT
S. Stalcup says:
Stalcup says that Two Tub's right. He's really up on things.

I had heard Cheap Trick recruited old maids for their tour, but Daxx he isn't one of those.

G'night ev'rybody!

EDIT: Or should I say "Goodnight now, ladies and gentlemen!"

Posted on Sep 19, 2012 10:10:19 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
I caught Cheap Trick a couple of months ago and much love to Bun E., but they were still incredible with Daxx. Both my brother and wife -- casual fans at best -- commented, "Wow, I'd forgotten just how many really GREAT songs they had....". I caught 'em on an off-night from the Aerosmith tour, playing on their own in Austin, TX between Aerosmith gigs in Dallas and Houston and they played about 2hrs.

I'd heard the same things about Bun E., ie, back problems, still a member, etc., but have also heard (on these forums I believe) that Bun E. and the rest of the band hadn't spoken for a coupla years or more now. A buddy of mine I used to play in a band with does guitar tech work now and is actually working for Rick Neilsen on this tour and Aerosmith + Cheap Trick in Austin, TX was just announced, so I'm hoping he can get me in and backstage, but either way, I'm gonna corner him and ask him to spill the beans on anything he's heard about Bun E.!

Would be great if he were healthy and one day re-joined the band, but having seen them first-hand with Daxx filling in, I can honestly say I wouldn't let Bun E's absence stop you from going. They're still a great, great live band.

Posted on Sep 19, 2012 10:25:33 AM PDT
Glad i got to see Bun E. a few years ago.

Posted on Sep 19, 2012 11:51:09 PM PDT
Truly one of the last great bands still touring. Cheap Trick blow away most bands their era or now just through the great songwriting that produced lasting song performed with energy not nostalgia. Cheap Trick rock !!!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2012 12:26:41 AM PDT
Hinch says:
I was lucky to see Cheap Trick in their early days in the 70s before they were very well known. I've also seen them several times since. They were good everytime I saw them, but they were very different on their first couple of tours. Rick's guitar playing was like nothing I had heard before. It's been quite a few years since I've seen them.

Posted on Sep 20, 2012 8:07:13 AM PDT
The first time I saw Cheap Trick was 1979. It was an awsome show and I agree with Hinch, never seen anyone like Neilsen before or since, he's one of a kind. I see them everytime they come to Vegas. They are stiill as good as they ever were, maybe better. Robin can still sing as well as ever and they have a huge catalog of songs to choose from.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2012 9:19:49 AM PDT
zih67 - I have seen Cheap Trick 3 times with Daxx and he's great , I was just wondering why Bun E is missing. Thanks for the reply though. JD

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 20, 2012 1:03:15 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 20, 2012 1:08:45 PM PDT
bass boy says:
Word is, Bun E. is tired of touring, too. As far as CT going into the studio without Bun E., that's a new one to me. To my knowledge, Bun E. played on all of "The Latest," but maybe the band has gone into the studio recently with Daxx. It is kind of strange that Bun E. is claiming he hasn't talked to the other three guys in two years ....

I agree with the earlier posts here, saying that Daxx is a great replacement. I caught them in Dallas opening up for Aerosmith, and CT were fantastic. Even as openers, CT made time for Tom to sing "I Know What I Want." Daxx has a different feel than Bun E. (of course), but he knows the songs and he fits in well. He's solid and a driving force without overshadowing Tom, Robin and his dad, Rick, out front. Daxx sang quit a bit of back-up vocals in Dallas, too. Enjoy Saturday's show. CT still is a great band ....

Posted on Sep 20, 2012 1:04:22 PM PDT
K. Carter says:
I had no idea Bun E. was no longer with the band. I'm not sure it would be the same with someone else taking his place - he's one of the truly great (and mostly unsung) rock drummers.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2012 12:48:08 AM PDT
Hinch says:
Daniel

CHEAP TRICK and IN COLOR both came out in '77. HEAVEN TONIGHT came out in '78. Those two years were the first times I saw them. They played in a relatively small auditorium both times.

They've had some good albums throughout their career but, imo, those first 3 are their best. WOKE UP WITH A MONSTER is another of my favorites.

Posted on Sep 21, 2012 12:57:03 AM PDT
Hinch says:
A couple of stories I found on the subject.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/cheap-trick-bun-e-carlos-shut-out/

According to this article from May, Bun E would still like to tour with them.

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/im-still-in-cheap-trick-i-just-dont-talk-to-them-any-more/

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2012 8:50:53 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 21, 2012 8:51:31 AM PDT
bass boy says:
I've heard from an inside source that Bun E. was tired of touring, at the time he first stepped down from touring with CT, forcing CT to hire Daxx as Bun E.'s "tour replacement."
Maybe Bun E. has changed his mind in recent months and wants to tour with them again. I imagine it would be hard for Rick to throw his kid out of the band now. Who knows?

I second the notion above that the first three CT records are killer, as is 1997's "Cheap Trick" album. I wish CT would play "Say Goodbye" from that record in concerts now. I love Zander's simple-yet-perfect slide guitar solo on that track.

Posted on Sep 21, 2012 9:16:04 AM PDT
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vivazappa says:
Cheap Trick were a band that I was always happy to see as an opener. I saw them several times during 77 and 78.

By the time I saw them headline in 1981 Zander was playing "rock star" and they only played a 80 minute show. I like all three of their first records but for some dumb reason still don't have their first one.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2012 9:26:58 AM PDT
bass boy says:
Oh viva, you have to get the first album. The Sony remastered version sounds pretty good, although they switched the running order and put Side 2 first. Actually, I think the original vinyl listed "Side 1" on one side and "Side A" on the other, but I have the old vinyl with "Hot Love" opening. The late 1980s (original version) CD of the first album also opened with "Hot Love," so I'm used to that track opening instead of (I think) "Hello Kiddies" on the 1990s Sony remaster. The record is great. "Mandocello" is worth the price of admission for this CT/Tom Peterssen fan. :)

Posted on Sep 21, 2012 9:39:15 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 21, 2012 9:45:58 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
"you have to get the first album"

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I'll second that. For some reason, "In Color" doesn't do much for me. "Heaven Tonight" has some of my very favorite songs and is light years ahead of the production on the first two, but is a bit uneven (although on the whole, very good).

The debut though has some very tough, gritty songs that are still easily identifiable as "Cheap Trick", but.... just a little different than everything they've done since. It more captures the rawness and power of the band's live sound, but still a plenty good-sounding studio recording and the songs are rock solid throughout. After years of living on only "Heaven Tonight" thru "All Shook Up", I just got into the first one this year, and it's definitely risen up there among my favorite Cheap Trick albums.

Viva -- the Sony remaster w-ELO Kiddies opening states in the liner notes that it "restores" the running order the band had intended. I guess with them being cute and putting "Side 1" and "Side A" on the vinyl LP when it was first released, it was not clear to whoever did the original CD sequencing which side should come first and open the disc, so they (incorrectly) chose the side opening with "Hot Love". I can see how if you're used to that order, that would seem the "right" way, but the band actually intended it the other way, with "ELO Kiddies" as the album's opener (and based on the title, it would seem to make sense...).

Any way you play it though, it's just a great album! I was really jazzed when I saw them live recently and they played "Oh Candy".

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2012 10:16:35 AM PDT
Hinch,

I agree, their first 3 are awesome. I really like Dream Police as well as their 2 latest, Rockford and The Latest. Cheap Trick has matured as well as I and their latest albums really fit me well. If you haven't given them a listen, I encourage you to do so...

Posted on Sep 21, 2012 10:22:47 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
Seems like most fans agree the first 3 are essential and most tend to include "Budokan" and/or "Dream Police" too, but "All Shook Up" from 1980 always seems to get overlooked. I guess tastes will always vary, but to me that's every bit as essential as anything else in their catalog.

Side 1 is absolutely flawless ("Stop This Game," "Just Got Back," "Baby Loves To Rock," "Can't Stop It But I'm Gonna Try," "World's Greatest Lover") and Side 2 is pretty strong too ("High Priest of Rhythmic Noise," "Go For The Throat"). I even like the closing "Who D'King" track.... Really not a bad song on the album imo, so I never get why it's not included in the "essential" list of CT albums. I'll take that one over "In Color" for sure, and probably "Heaven Tonight" as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2012 10:29:36 AM PDT
I like All Shook Up. I liked what Cheap Trick did in the 80's. Believe it or not, they sold more music in the 80's than they did in any decade. I have all of CT's albums. One of my favorite bands.

Posted on Sep 21, 2012 11:16:43 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
I have to admit that I checked out after "All Shook Up". Not because I didn't like that one though (it might be my favorite). A buddy had "One on One" before me and while it's got two of my favorite songs (She's Tight, If You Want My Love), the rest of the album didn't grab me immediately, so I never picked it up. Then next thing I know I'm hearing "Don't Be Cruel" and "The Flame" and those didn't make me want to buy anything either.

If more of their 80's catalog was readily available in remastered form I'd likely pick some up, but it seems albums like "One On One" and "Next Position Please" (among others) are oop or just neglected by their label in terms of keeping them out there. I have the "Sex America Cheap Trick" box set on the way though, so I'm looking forward to sampling some of the unreleased stuff there along with the tracks from those later albums I never picked up.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2012 11:39:49 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 21, 2012 11:41:09 AM PDT
I have that box set. I bought it years ago when it first came out. At that time, I only had Cheap Trick, In Color, Heaven Tonight, Budokan and the Dream Police albums. I bought the box thinking it would satisfy and complete my CT collection. It was what I heard on the box set that made me so curious that I back tracked and bought everything that I didn't already have. I think you will enjoy the box. There are some really good songs on their that I wasn't aware of prior to this set. The literature is great as well...

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 21, 2012 2:36:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 21, 2012 2:38:28 PM PDT
bass boy says:
I, too, like "All Shook Up." The guitar solo in "World's Greatest Lover" is among Cheap Trick's best lead-guitar moments. It's an underrated LP by one of the best bands ever.

P.S. "One on One" and "Next Position Please" were remastered and put on a 2-for-1 CD by Friday Music a year or two ago. It has decent sound - not an earth-shattering remastering job, but since the old Columbia/CBS Records CD versions from the 1980s are out of print, the Friday Music reissue is pretty cool.
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