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Keith Moon vs. Rick Buckler?


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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 12:01:12 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 23, 2012 12:05:35 PM PDT
zlh67 says:
Bassboy- Couldn't agree more about Simon Phillips. That guy is a MACHINE and can play anything. I dare say if I were a producer and just needed a drummer (without having any idea what kind of music I'd be producing), he'd be the guy I would call as there's nothing he can't do. But as a replacement for Keith Moon and his unique style? No, there are better drummers for that gig and Zak Starkey is one for sure. I have a hard time listening to the 1989 Who tour cd's because Simon is just too precise and clean with his playing. He does play some amazing stuff, but it just doesn't come off sounding like The `Oo!!!!

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:08:58 PM PDT
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zlh67 was answered the magic question.
Simon played all the precise and perfect drum parts on stage.
And the girl was up there to reproduce all of Keith's sloppy parts!

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 12:23:48 PM PDT
EvenSteven says:
If Moon never recorded anything after "I can see 4 Miles" his legend would still be cemented in rock history.....Rick Buckler did fine work with Jam.....(he never drove a Rolls into a pool though!....nobody beats Moon the Loon)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 4:59:58 PM PDT
His legend is firmly in place, Katrina couldn't move it...

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 23, 2012 10:29:00 PM PDT
Music Luver says:
Are you sure about that? What girl? If there was a girl playing percussion, it certainly wasn't to help Simon sound better.

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 10:48:36 PM PDT
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The woman is named Jody Linscott and she was on the riser right next to Simon Phillips.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012 9:12:03 AM PDT
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bass boy says:
Jody (like almost all of the onstage musicians on that 1989 Who tour, sans Roger Daltrey and John Entwistle) was from Pete's solo band, Deep End. It was basically Deep End (minus David Gilmour) backing The Who on the 1989 tour. Some people might snicker, but Jody is no slouch. Yeah, she was a bit flashy a la Ray Cooper, but she definitely could play. I can't ever see Townshend hiring a musician who couldn't play. Lol! :)

In hindsight, I wish I had gone to see the 1989 tour, knowing now that Entwistle would have been alive for only two more Who tours (1996-97 and 2000). I wanted to go in 1989 but couldn't get my friends to go then, and I completely missed the 1996/97 tour because it hardly made the news (sadly) - I didn't even know about that Quad tour until after the fact. When I heard of the 2000 tour plans, I went, come hell or high water. And it was amazing.
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Posted on Apr 24, 2012 11:18:53 AM PDT
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On every show I saw ofThe Who on the 1989 tour (I attended four nights) Pere would walk over to the end of the stage and announce: "The band up here on this stage doesn't look like The Who. The band up here on this stage doesn't sound like The Who. The band up here on this stage isn't anything like The Who at all but, it's the (BLEEPING) WHO!"

Roger Daltrey sang "Love Hurts" in Toronto and it did indeed hurt and "The Iron Man" was promoted as the band did "Dig" "Fire" and "A Friend is a Friend." Entwistle got "A Trick of the Light" and "Boris" and there was a horn section and five background singers and either Rabbit or Carin playing almost behind the amps. Bolton, was a wrong move by Pete as he was only playing acoustic guitar ("Magic Bus") would open the second set and he had a stratocaster for that one number. The music was a good as it was ever played but, it was 13 miles from the band I saw in 1971,1973 and 1976 when it was just four guys that made more noise and had a bigger sound than 18 or so people that crowded those stages in 1989.

Nobody remembers today just how much of The Who's live sound came from John Entwistle's bass guitar and without John it cannot be The Who ever again. Keith, Roger, John & Pete had quite a great li'l band!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 24, 2012 2:58:49 PM PDT
Dee Zee says:
I saw that 1996 Quadrophenia Tour with Gary Glitter and Billy Idol, Zak Starkey on drums. And the 1970 4 man show.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 12:01:18 PM PDT
bass boy says:
Hey Philip,

Yeah, I agree about your comment about Steve Boltz. Why Townshend hired him (an OK player, but no Pete) for the 1989 Who tour and stuck mostly with acoustic is a great mystery. Perhaps because that tour was during the heyday of hair metal, and Pete, for some reason, felt his guitar chops weren't up to the task? I know that Pete's hearing had bothered him by that time, but still. And didn't Pete play an electric guitar for more than just "Magic Bus"? On the live Tommy VHS/DVD from 1989, I think Pete also played a red Stratocaster (the same one he plays today?) on "Who Are You" and a red, electric Rickenbacker on "Substitute" during the encores. But yeah, he mostly played acoustic guitar on the videos I've seen from that tour, although there's a Youtube video of them doing "Hey Joe" and Pete is playing lead electric guitar.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 1:09:26 PM PDT
Bass Boy ~

There were major magazine interviews with Pete right before the summer tour began and Pete said he would never be playing electric guitar ever again due to his hearing problems. Boltz (yup, I spelt it wrong in my posting) was the guy Pete selected (Joe Walsh, who Entwistle wanted would have been a much better fit!) and that was because he was an unknown player and a 'name' guitar player would have stolen some of Pete's thunder. Boltz, stayed outta the way on the side and his leads were duplicates of Townshend's.

I didn't see Pete play: "Hey Joe" but, I wish that one was part of the set instead of Daltrey's favorite: "Love Hurts" that wasn't any good. Pete plays some down and dirty blues when he wants to and stuff like: "Big Boss Man" and "On The Road Again" are really great when Pete breaks em' out! The 1989 shows featured a complete Tommy first set and that alone was worth the ticket. This band did play well on that tour but it wasn't like the old days.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 1:48:23 PM PDT
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bass boy says:
Yeah, Philip, I know The Who had a more big band sound on that tour, but I still wish I had gone. It was a killer set list. And to see/hear Pete's solo "Rough Boys" and "A Little Is Enough" live - they were played for the live 1990 2-CD set "Join Together" - and Entwistle do "Trick of the Light" would have been super sweet. Someone once said that The Who even did Entwistle's "Too Late the Hero" on early dates of that tour ....

Check out the clip of The Who doing "Hey Joe" from that tour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvUWgFi8gmw

It doesn't better Hendrix's studio version, but it's still pretty good stuff. Pete already had the hand cast on when they played this gig.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 2:31:59 PM PDT
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I have seen Entwistle do: "Too Late The Hero" but, that was John's band in a small club in Rhode Island in 1988 and if you think his bass guitar was loud in The Who....Oh, my he was a bit too loud when he performed with his own band! I cannot remember if he played it with The Who on that summer 1989 tour. John would swap out "Boris" with "My Wife" at different venues but "Trick of The Light" was a very happy surprise as I never thought I'd get to see them do that one in concert.

The 1989 shows were the first Who concerts that I saw Roger Daltrey play guitar with the band. I did enjoy the shows from that tour as the big band did indeed play excellent on EVERY night I saw them.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:33:38 PM PDT
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zlh67 says:
Daltrey was originally the guitarist in the band before the lineup was full complete and he moved to lead vocals I believe (no?).

I've only seen The Who twice, but he did play some guitar on stage in 1982 on the title track to "It's Hard" and/or "Eminence Front". He's not quite as good as Pete though...

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 3:43:05 PM PDT
zlh67 ~

I wasn't in the USA much in 1982 and didn't see any shows from the Farewell Tour of 1982. There's a gap as I didn't see The Who between the Anaheim Stadium show of 21 March 1976 and the 1989 summer shows. I never saw the band live with Kenney Jones as the drummer.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 3:49:38 PM PDT
V. White says:
Keith Moon. What a dumb question.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 8:31:26 PM PDT
zlh67 says:
Yeah, the '82 tour with Jones was my first, then I saw them in 2000 with Zak Starkey. There are a couple of DVD's out there with Jones (Toronto '82 & Chicago '79), but for my taste the best Who performances will of course always be with Moon (which I've only seen on dvd), followed by Zak Starkey. Although Simon Phillips TOWERS over Kenney Jones as a drummer, I'll take the Jones-era over the '89 tour. I didn't see the '89 tour live but i have the cd/dvd set and apart from the few songs they did that didn't have Moon to begin with (Townshend solo songs plus Iron Man stuff like "Dig"), I didn't get much out of it. As said, just too neat, clean and tight. None of the power or majesty of The Who came through as far as I'm concerned.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:02:25 AM PDT
S. Stalcup says:
zlh67,
"Simon Phillips TOWERS over Kenney Jones as a drummer."
That's your position, fair enough, but have you seen any of the live footage of The Faces? There's a version of "Borstal Boys" online that's astonishing.

Opinions are opinions, though and we both agree on the most important thing of all: Johnette.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 6:18:44 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 27, 2012 6:45:03 AM PDT
zlh67 says:
Stalcup -- I meant in terms of sheer technical proficiency. Simon has chops to spare and can play pretty much anything you'd care to throw at him and... he'll do it left handed or right handed. He's truly a freak of nature and I'm pretty confidenct would mop the floor with Jones in a 'drum-off' where the point was to show what chops you have. Which is not to say Phillips is necessarily a better drummer at playing in the pocket, keeping a groove, etc., but for chops alone, Phillips is the most amazing rock drummer I've ever seen play. Check out Jeff Beck's "Space Boogie" for one of his more intense performances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij7yR0LubxY

I dare say Kenney Jones could probably not play that... Which is of course not to say that he's not a great player in his own right. I do have some Faces footage. Not sure the year but it was a concert VH1-Classic played and I recorded it to DVD-R. I was impressed (as I was when I saw him in '82), but not overwhelmingly blown away as I am by Simon Phillips.

And yes: Johnette IS the bomb!!

Posted on Apr 28, 2012 8:40:45 PM PDT
Daltrey said that with with hindsight Kenney Jones was the wrong choice for The Who. I'm not sure I agree with regards to their two post-Moon studio albums which were so pedestrian that it wouldn't have made any difference who played on them, but for live work he's right - the band really needed someone far more explosive and flashy to do justice to the older stuff. No disrespect to Kenney - he was ideal for The Faces but that was a different kind of group dynamic. After Loon's death I would have liked to have seen Carmine Appice get a shot at it.

Posted on Apr 28, 2012 10:49:33 PM PDT
Music Luver says:
Maybe this thread should have been called:
Moon vs. Jones vs. Phillips vs. Starkey - might have been a more apples to apples discussion.

Or Moon vs. Baker. But don't ask Ginger to participate!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 10:07:26 AM PDT
Dee Zee says:
Or Moon versus Mitch Michell.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012 10:12:22 AM PDT
Music Luver says:
How do you guys like Terry Bozzio?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 10:17:00 AM PDT
Dee Zee says:
Who is Terry Bozzio?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2012 10:33:52 AM PDT
onsenkuma says:
Dee Zee,
Bozzio came into prominence while still in his teens (!) through Zappa's late '70s line up best known for Zoot Allures, Sheik Yerbouti and Joe's Garage. If you've seen the Baby Snakes DVD then you've already seen some great footage of this guy in action. An absolute powerhouse for such a scrawny kid!
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