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Posted on May 10, 2012 6:28:25 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 10, 2012 7:14:38 AM PDT
D. Mok says:
> allen actually played the original studio version of FREEBIRD on a 60's white gibson sg that belonged to GARY ROSSINGTON at the time.

The Guitar World article I read said differently; it said that Allen Collins played the entire ending solos of "Free Bird" on the Firebird. It's possible I'm remembering it wrong; the article was from over 10 years ago. And another article on Guitar World online claims it was the Explorer (I find that unlikely). Gary Rossington's slide parts were on an SG, apparently.

Posted on May 10, 2012 12:55:24 PM PDT
K. Carter says:
What Buck does on "Astronomy" is just otherworldly.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 3:01:50 PM PDT
Superbee says:
i thought that for a long time also. dont know if you know who GENE ODOM is, he was ronnie vanzants best friend from ages 7. he was skynyrds head of security and was sitting next to ronnie when the plane crashed. i built his web page after i found it almost dead and forgotten on the net one day. it is dedicated to skynyrd and their history. i have genes number on speed dial as well as CRAIG REED [the bands long time do it all roady and guitar tech. i learned this from him. he supplied pics of both gary and allen using that guitar while recording the first album in studio one in doroville, georgia. this has been my fav band since the first time i heard pronounced. i am a historian of the band and thought i couldnt learn much more when i took on his site. the guys who were THERE, who worked on those guitars and amps told me all kinds of stuff about them that i would have never guessed [music wise]. i am also a guitar player and life long musician. i have stood at the spot where skynyrds long time practice housee was [hell house] in florida and where ALL of the classic skynyrd songs were written. i have been to the crash site and my initials [with thousands of others] are etched in the tree where the plane crashed and came to rest. CHILLS!! so, i am no passing skynyrd fan. we got that info from craig reed himself and joe barnes who were at EVERY skynyrd show, travelled every mile with them, were on the plane when it crashed and cleaned, tuned and repaired ALL of their gear. like i said, i thought it was the firebird for many years, made sense. but allen grew fond of that sg and gary gave it to him right after he got his first les paul. the guitar was stolen along with all the bands other gear when hell house was ripped off on the one day they didnt leave a guy out there to keep an eye on it. so theres some skynyrd history!! what an incredible band they were. someone, some day needs to make a movie about there time together. i know billy bob thornton and cameron crowe [a former roady for skynyrd who a lot of the things in his movie ALMOST FAMOUS were from his time with them] and ronnies widow judy. politics and lawyers have held the deal up. what a story though. imagine your very fav band and all of a sudden you are IN the inner circle, you get to hear all of the stories and all about the music from the people who were there and helped create it. thats what happened to me when i met gene odom. super nice guy who has dedicated the rest of his life to keep ronnie vanzants name and skynyrds music alive. just trying to add a little authenticity to my knowledge of the subject and why [if you choose] you can believe me on this matter.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 5:18:16 PM PDT
JP says:
I think it depends on WHICH "original" studio version of Freebird you are talking about. There's the "original" original, from the Muscle Shoals sessions, that never saw the light of day (officially) until the Re-Mastered and expanded First and Last (retitled Skynrd's First - The Complete Muscle Shoals Album) was released in 1998. It's also in a box set, which had all the classic albums, remastered, expanded, and with all the original artwork and liner notes.

This (greatly) expanded edition of First and Last contains, for the first time, all the songs from those old 1971 sessions, including the "original" original studio of Freebird. And this was produced by the Muscle Shoals team of Johnson and Smith, not Al Kooper, who produced Pronounced.

The version on Pronounced was recorded 2 years later, with the (then) current line-up and produced by Kooper.

The songs have different lengths too, 7:26 vs. 9:18.

The CD came with a nice little book too and, though I'm casting my memory back several years, I do believe it said Collins used a different guitar than the Firebird in '71 (a friend had the box set, I only have MP3 rips of the tracks).

I do know one thing, Collins is playing the Firebird on the Old Grey Whistle Test version of Freebird I have on a "Classics of Rock" DVD. The interesting thing? The DVD says it's from 1973, the same video on YouTube says BBC 1975. But Ed king and Bob Burns are in it, and every source I've read says Burns left in 74 and King left in early 75 (Jan?). So I go with the DVD.

And Rossington's biography says he did the slide on an SG, the only time he used it and not a Les Paul.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 5:22:38 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 10, 2012 5:23:06 PM PDT
Mikie says:
For Snoo:
Which "Astronomy," man?

The one from "Secret Treaties"? Or the "Imaginos" version?

I like 'em both, and don't favor one over the other. I also like Metallica's cover of "Astronomy," but BOC's versions still get the nod over Metallica's.

Peace, y'all.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 5:27:21 PM PDT
Mikie says:
For Thomas A. Corpino:
Definitely! An excellent tune. Seems "Perfect Water" is a cult favorite of Cult fans...

Posted on May 10, 2012 5:42:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 10, 2012 5:42:16 PM PDT
D. Mok says:
> I also like Metallica's cover of "Astronomy," but BOC's versions still get the nod over Metallica's.

I think Metallica's version blows pretty hard. I normally like Metallica's covers ("Stone Cold Crazy", "So What", "Killing Time" etc.), but its version of "Astronomy" sounds awful. Even Bob Rock was floundering, in my opinion. The keyboards in the beginning sound like a Casio demo, and the guitars sound stuffy and DI rather than alive and fire-breathing. Not to mention the complete lack of vibe.

In reply to an earlier post on May 10, 2012 5:43:47 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 10, 2012 5:44:45 PM PDT
JP says:
As soon as I pulled Black and Blue off the shelf I realized I had already uploaded an image of Buck's "mystery" guitar, years ago, because it is on the cover of the box. I uploaded a scanned image of that cover with my review of that DVD right here on Amazon. Just go to my profile and look for the review. (I have over 100 reviews so I don't remember what "page" it's on)

In that image it looks just like a Firebird because you can't really see the back half of the guitar, and Eric Bloom's SG headstock blocks the top half of Buck's guitar so you can't see it's cut off on the top either.

And it is played in at least 2 songs on Black and Blue. I didn't watch further because I quickly found Cities on Flame on YouTube, and that's all I needed (the other was Dr. Music).

It's titled "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll '80 [ Uniondale, NY ]" and shows the "mystery" guitar very well, because Buck has an extended solo in it. The headstock also looks like a Flying V head but, in close-ups, it's clearly not. It's larger and has a gold circle emblem at the top, confirming the belief that it is a custom guitar.

So, for those who have never seen the movie Black and Blue, this IS the version of Cities on Flame from that concert, and that classic movie!

Posted on May 10, 2012 6:11:58 PM PDT
JP says:
My review of Black and Blue is on "page" 14 of my reviews but it is now linked to someone else's photo. So you have to click on the title, and go to the review page itself, to see the 3 images uploaded by myself and 2 others, all 3 different images!!

On one of the other images (covers), Buck is playing his White SG! I do remember him playing it on at least one song so I guess the different companies who made these DVDs captured different images for the covers.

I know mine is a Brazilian import professionally made from the original Laserdisc release, so the Dolby Digital 5.1 is intact.
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