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Why The Buffalo Springfield Might Be The Most Important Band Of All Time (And Certainly More Important Than The Kinks !)


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Posted on Apr 26, 2012 10:29:18 AM PDT
I think the 60s incarnations of the Jeff Beck Group have more in common with Buffalo Springfield - short-lived, volatile, great music and a springboard for distinguished careers for most of the personnel involved (in the case of the JBG just count 'em - Ron Wood, Rod Stewart, Aynsley Dunbar, Micky Waller, Tony Newman, Nicky Hopkins and Jeff Beck himself).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:40:06 AM PDT
onsenkuma says:
Those of you believe that there's no such thing as 'too much' Kinks might be interested to know that their BBC recordings will be released as a 6xCD set in August. Looks to be a pretty cool package, done in the book-within-slipcase style used for the first editions of the Miles Davis Columbia boxes. Check out amazon.co.uk for info...

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 11:36:02 AM PDT
Nobody is a total original. Even Robert Johnson built on tradition. Everybody does. I cannot think of anybody who is wholly self-invented, who had no influences whatsoever.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 11:55:48 AM PDT
bass boy says:
Sweet about the Kinks box! How much of it will duplicate the Kinks BBC CD that came out a few years ago? :)

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 12:08:40 PM PDT
Eddie H. says:
bass boy...I have looked on every Kinks and music web site, there is still no track listing...I am hoping that it's mostly music and not too much talking....also I read somewhere that it will have songs that were not on any albums...I am intersted in that....

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 12:52:01 PM PDT
onsenkuma says:
@bass boy,
Like Eddie H., I haven't see the track listing. At 6 CDs it would seem pretty comprehensive, and my guess is it will likely include the BBC tracks already released on the 2 CD set from 2001 since that one covered a fair chunk of time ('64-'77).

Seems there's an absolute treasure trove of BBC recordings out there by a lot of artists, with lots more to come. The Kinks package looks especially classy, as befits the band.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 1:27:31 PM PDT
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naldo says:
W.D.E.,
I'd be hard-pressed to figure out the influences that begat Tiny Tim!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 1:33:21 PM PDT
MiBoDoCa says:
Eddie, just for clarification the BBC set will be 5 CDs of music and 1 DVD of TV performances.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 1:45:29 PM PDT
bass boy says:
One of the discs will be a DVD of TV performances? Sweet! Guys, this just got better!

So how is the early 1980s (1980?) concert film video that was released on DVD a few years back? It has the same album-cover art as The Kinks' live 1980 album. Just curious if it was of decent quality. I know the running time is kind of short.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 3:11:11 PM PDT
zlh67 says:
bass boy - that's the "One For The Road" dvd, but even though the title and cover are the same as the album, that's pretty much where similarities end. As you note, the DVD is shorter (about 60 min), so there are several songs on the album that are not on the dvd. Also, the cd was comprised of various performances from different locations and times (from 1979-80 I believe), whereas the DVD is the abbreviation of one concert in Providence RI (1980). So very few (if any) of the performances on the dvd are what you'll hear from the album.

I'd KILL for a good quality DVD that matches up to the album as that's probably my favorite Kinks release, but... it doesn't exist. The DVD is still pretty good though. Good performances, lots of energy, it's just not as comprehensive or solid as the album. And of course, being filmed in 1980, it's hardly blu-ray quaility, but it's plenty good imo. Sound is good too....

My fave moment might be during one song (can't remember which, but I think it's "You Really Got Me") when Dave Davies steps up to the front of the stage to let a solo rip and some a hole fan in the front row just grabs his guitar neck and mutes all the strings. Why anyone smart enough to pay to see the Kinks from the front row would be DUMB enough to do something like that I will never know, but man.... if looks could kill.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 4:13:31 PM PDT
naldo:

"I'd be hard-pressed to figure out the influences that begat Tiny Tim!"

Naw, that one's easy: Charles Dickens.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 4:32:57 PM PDT
Nope, Tiny Tim always sights Edgar Allen Poe as his main influence!

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 4:34:12 PM PDT
Dee Zee says:
I thought Tiny Tim influenced Neil Young.

Posted on Apr 26, 2012 4:36:40 PM PDT
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Nope, Fozzie Bear was the biggest influence on Neil!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:06:16 PM PDT
stevign says:
I've often wondered if a kid grew up on a deserted island with some instruments (perhaps a piano, guitar, trumpet and drums) but never having heard music before, what kind of music he would make and what if any of ours would it resemble?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 10:20:42 PM PDT
stevign says:
"One For The Road" is indeed a kick-ass Live CD. My other favs are Muswell Hillbillies and The Kinks Kronikles.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 11:00:21 PM PDT
Hinch says:
Corky

Not sure which line-up you mean. Buffalo S. or CSN&Y? Imo, Stephen Stills is a far better guitar player than N. Young. Richie Furay is a better singer than Neil. I also love Crosby and Nash.

Neil Young's best talent is his songwriting. He's always really good live. His recording career has had it's ups, but a lot of downs too.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 11:05:51 PM PDT
Hinch says:
Louie

I saw many band in the 70s. Loggins and Messina were one of the best.
I saw then twice and they blew me away. I also have all their albums.
Philip's comment after yours is correct.

They mixed rock, country and jazz and the band improvised very well on the extended live versions.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 26, 2012 11:14:07 PM PDT
Hinch says:
The Flying Burrito Bros were more closely related to The Byrds than The B. Springfield. The Byrds were the ones who first incorporated country music into rock and are credited as doing so.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 4:39:39 AM PDT
Severin says:
The Amazon UK site has a picture of the Kinks BBC box set and you can zoom in:

In Concert Shows from The Rainbow Theatre, "Colour Me Pop" & The Hippodrome Theatre, Golders Green.

TV appearances: The Old Grey Whistle Test 1977 Christmas Concert, Top of the Pops, Jools Holland and more.

Radio Sessions: Saturday Club, John Peel Show, Dave Lee Travis Show, Emma Freud Show, Symonds On Sunday and more.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 7:19:02 AM PDT
Philip,
Tiny Tim and Dylan were friends back in the early 60's.
JC

Posted on Apr 27, 2012 7:20:59 AM PDT
EvenSteven says:
Tiny was a freak

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 27, 2012 12:43:45 PM PDT
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bass boy says:
Hey zlh67, I've seen that clip of Dave and the fan! I think the fan is waving a stuffed animal, or a balloon, or something, and the object (or the fan's hand) hits the guitar strings and mutes Dave for a second or two before Dave pushes the object away. Crazy stuff.
I'll have to get that DVD the next time I find it. Thanks for the info on it. I, too, love the 1980 live CD. I got the Velvel (sp?) reissue from a few years back.

Regarding the comment that The Byrds were the first to incorporate country music into rock ...

Didn't Mike Nesmith/The Monkees do it as early as 1966, before The Byrds hired Gram Parsons? I've read where Nesmith was actually doing it before The Byrds, although The Monkees usually lack the crticial acclaim The Byrds often enjoy.

Posted on Apr 27, 2012 12:46:03 PM PDT
If Tiny Tim and Ray Davies had made some music together....

Posted on Apr 27, 2012 2:34:15 PM PDT
Cordo says:
If we are a begatting mood (I always thought that was an Italian luxury car anyway) the Springfield can't hold a candle to the champs in that regard -- The Byrds. The Byrds themselves, in both their editions, begat folk rock, space rock, techno, and mostly importantly, country rock. Then you have to look at their offspring. Gene Clark had a long solo career and also hooked up with Doug Dillard to form Dillard & Clark, the first true country rock outfit. Dave Crosby went on to form the supergroup Crosby, Stills, and Nash (and occasionally Young). Crosby's replacement was country rock pioneer Gram Parsons, who prodded Roger McGuinn and Chris HIllman to go country and record "Sweetheart of the Rodeo," one of the most influential albums ever. Parsons left to form the Flying Burritos Brothers. Chris Hillman and Michael Clarke joined him. Parsons left the Burritos and went on to record "Greivous Angel" and a number of country-rock classics. Hillman stuck with the Burritos for four years and then left to form Manassas with Stills, the Souther-Hillman-Furay Band, and later Desert Rose. Michael Clarke went on to form Firefall. McGuinn, Clark, and Hillman got together in the late '70's to record as, well, McGuinn, Clark, and Hillman. After McGuinn disbanded The Byrds in 1973, he went on to a solo career and is now hosting The Folk Den on, I think, NPR. Charting the progeny of The Byrds took up two pages in the booklet for the 1990 Box Set.
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