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Initial post: Sep 30, 2011 8:05:23 PM PDT
There are a lot of arguments going on YouTube that contend Tori Amos ripped off Kate Bush's music. Does anyone here share that opinion, and if so, why or why not? And which artist do you prefer?

Posted on Sep 30, 2011 8:22:25 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 8, 2014 6:16:59 AM PDT
Hinch says:
Actually, the first time I saw Tori Amos, I thought she was a copy of Kate Bush. I wouldn't say she stole her music. I her style and voice sounded similar. I always wondered how Tori made it so big, and not Kate, although Kate was very big in Europe. I like both. I have all of Kate Bush's albums, and quite a few of Tori's, but I way prefer Kate.

Posted on Sep 30, 2011 8:30:58 PM PDT
tokolosi says:
Tori Amos' bush...

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 8:39:09 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 30, 2011 8:47:10 PM PDT
I think Tori's a good pianist, but she's WAY out of Kate's league as a songwriter and performer. When I first heard her on the radio, I thought she sounded just like Kate. She's also consistently denied the influence, which bothers me as well. I think it's because Kate may be too "English" for American tastes that she never caught on here? She's a huge star in the UK and still relatively unknown here, unfortunately. I'm a big fan. Did you know David Gilmour "discovered" her?

Check out this video. Besides the obvious vocal similarities, there are photos that are nearly identical (Kate and Tori both posing with swords; both are photographed inside boxes, etc.). I don't believe this is entirely coincidental, but you be the judge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3FdPQrUPzc

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 8:50:14 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 30, 2011 8:50:36 PM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Yup. Gilmour discovered Bush and helped to break her out. And Peter Gabriel "opened the windows" ...

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 8:54:37 PM PDT
Hinch says:
Very interesting comparison! Yes I knew about Gilmore.

I agree Kate is way ahead of Tori.

Kate has a new cd out in a Nov.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 8:54:49 PM PDT
She sang the "jeux sans frontieres" on "Games Without Frontiers"! And I love the "Don't Give Up" duet with Gabriel as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 8:56:44 PM PDT
Hinch says:
Two of my favorites!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 8:59:09 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 30, 2011 8:59:45 PM PDT
New material?? That's good news. She certainly goes a long time between new releases. Didn't really care for her last release with the re-worked versions of her old stuff. If it ain't broke, don't fix it IMO!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 9:03:00 PM PDT
Hinch says:
50 Words For Snow

There's also an import version. I'm not sure of the difference, if any.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 9:17:37 PM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
venussansfurs, RE:
:She sang the "jeux sans frontieres" on "Games Without Frontiers"!"

Yeah, that's right! She also sang back vox on "No Self Control". Very nice! And the duet, "Don't Give Up", is so amazing - that can bring me to tears.

BTW, check out a remix of "Game's..." here, where you can hear Kate's vocals much more clearly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_2cTp-Ixs

I was floored by this remix; never heard it before a few weeks ago.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 9:20:51 PM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
Oh, that's interesting, F. H.!

I always find those differences interesting, when they're there. I imagine, by "Import", you mean "UK" import.

Those Japanese always seem to get the lead on "extra tracks", though.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 9:28:12 PM PDT
Hinch says:
I suppose some people would prefer the UK version. I'll take the less expensive if there is no difference, lol!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 30, 2011 9:40:57 PM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
I'll have to hear JUST what's going on with her new music, though. I echo venussansfurs's feelings about the last release: I find it very frustrating that she's still sitting on some older recordings (IE: "Rarities"), that are still apparently held in high regard by some of the musicians and engineers that worked on them with her. I'd LOVE to hear some of this stuff! A "rarities" box set would be real nice, rather than a campaign where they release "Expanded" versions of her albums - I don't really need to buy those all over again for a 3rd time. But I'd like to hear ... well ... "what got away". : )

Posted on Sep 30, 2011 10:19:05 PM PDT
Tori does her thing, which can be good. What do I prefer? No brainer. Kate Bush. Constantly amazing.

Posted on Oct 1, 2011 2:05:39 AM PDT
Kate Bush is my choice. Lyrically no comparison, for me, Kate is great Tori so-so lyrically. Musically i like Tori but kind of got tired of her. Maybe i'll spin one of her records. I love Tori's cover record, real cool.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2011 2:21:48 AM PDT
Hinch says:
I haven't bought DIRECTOR'S CUT yet. I'm waiting for the price to go down, or buy it used. I'm not thrilled by expanded or revamped versions, but I'd like to hear it.

I AM looking forward to her new album.
What I'd really like is a complete video anthology from Kate.

Posted on Oct 1, 2011 2:50:37 AM PDT
SDLawyer says:
Given how unique and unmistakable Kate's voice is, I don't quite see how anyone can say Tori Amos tries to sound like Kate Bush; it's simply impossible. Tori is a gifted artist, but if the question is about the quality of the music, Kate is simply on an entirely different level.
Those who think "Director's Cut" is an ill-conceived project do not really understand or appreciate the beauty of Kate's work. This album is mesmerizing from the first song to the last. I understand one of the reasons Kate decided to re-release her previous work was the quality of the sound. And indeed, those who disparage "Director's Cut" need to hear it on vinyl, and not on the sterile digital sound of the CD. Aside from the amazing analog sound, the songs contain so much beauty, even if interpreted slightly differently, it is simply inane to judge them by note by note comparisons to the original versions. Kate's genius shines through this album. There is no other female artist who could possibly be compared to her.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2011 3:44:41 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 1, 2011 3:50:57 AM PDT
Jersey Joker says:
F.H., RE:
"What I'd really like is a complete video anthology from Kate."

Ha! I got tired of waiting for something cool like that and burned my own 2-DVD set, of stuff I simply downloaded from YouTube and other sites. Tried to make it a chronological collection within each DVD. Check out this list (* = Actual Promotional Video):

Kate Bush - DVD 1 (TT: 2 Hrs, 10 Mins)
1) Wuthering Heights (UK Version) * (3:45)
2) The Man With The Child In His Eyes * (2:49)
3) Them Heavy People * (4:05)
4) Feel It (Aerial Version) (3:05)
Fan-made; audio has added strings.
5) Wuthering Heights (US Version) * (4:30)
6) Japanese Seiko TV Ad (1:00
7) Wow (Version 1) * (3:45)
8) Hammer Horror * (4:17)
9) Don't Push Your Foot On The Heartbrake * (2:58)
10) Kashka From Baghdad - Live UK TV, 9/78 (2:53)
11) Wow (Version 2) * (3:45)
12) Babooshka * (3:30)
13) Delius - UK TV (2:33)
14) Army Dreamers * (3:16)
15) Breathing * (5:34)
16) December Will Be Magic Again (4:52)
Fan-made video for the UK Single Version
17) December Will Be Magic Again (3:48)
UK TV, Abba Snowtime Special
18) Sat In Your Lap * (3:29)
19) There Goes A Tenner * (3:29)
20) Suspended In Gaffa * (3:50)
21) The Dreaming * (4:06)
22) Get Out Of My House (5:29)
Fan-made video.
23) Running Up That Hill * (4:56)
24) Under The Ivy - UK TV, Abbey Road Studios (2:48)
25) Hounds Of Love * (3:02)
26) The Big Sky * (4:25)
27) Cloudbusting * (6:56)
28) Experiment IV * (4:43)
29) Don't Give Up (Peter Gabriel & Kate Bush) * (6:10)
30) The Sensual World * (3:53)
31) Love & Anger * (4:39)
32) This Woman's Work * (3:36)
33) Rocket Man * (4:46)

Kate Bush - DVD 2 (TT: 2 Hrs, 26 Mins)
1) Efteling - Dutch TV Special, May 11, 1978 (20:00)
Includes unique versions of the following tracks:
Moving
Wuthering Heights
Them Heavy People
The Man With The Child In His Eyes
Strange Phenomena
The Kick Inside
2) Moving - Live, Tokyo Music Festival, 1978 (2:49)
3) The Saxophone Song - Live, Sweden (2:53)
4) Strange Phenomena - Live, Germany (3:12)
5) Kite, Wuthering Heights - German TV Debut (8:29)
6) James & The Cold Gun - Live, Sweden (8:09)
7) Feel It - Live, Sweeden (2:59)
8) Them Heavy People - Live, France (3:53)
9) Room For The Life - Live, Germany (4:30)
10) 1st UK TV Interview - February, 1978 (1:54)
11) Moving - Live, UK TV (2:58)
12) UK TV Interview, Pt 1 - March, 1978 (3:22)
13) Wuthering Heights - UK TV, TOTP (2:58)
14) UK TV Interview, Pt 2 - March, 1978 (3:05)
15) Wow - Live, France, 1979 (3:38)
UK TV Christmas Special 1979
16) Part 1 (13:22)
1) Introduction
2) Violin
3) Symphony In Blue
4) Them Heavy People
5) Le Angel Gabriel)
17) Part 2 (14:45)
1) Here Comes The Flood [Peter Gabriel]
2) Ran Tan Waltz
3) December Will Be Magic Again
4) The Wedding List
18) Part 3 (8:23)
1) Another Day
2) Egypt
19) Part 4 (7:30)
1) The Man With The Child In His Eyes
2) Don't Put Your Foot On The Heartbrake
3) Closing Credits
20) Wow - San Remo (3:57)
21) Autralian Interview, 1980 (5:33)
22) Babooshka - Live, France 1980 (3:20)
23) Army Dreamers - Live, Holland 1980 (3:16)
24) Suspended In Gaffa - German TV 1982 (2:59)
25) There Goes A Tenner - UK TV 1982 (3:27)
26) The Wedding List - Live, UK 1982 (4:26)
Includes Phil Collins and Pete Townshend.

Yep. I went crazy. It turned out to be a pretty good collection of clips.

Peace, Bud.

PS: Sorry that Amazon Forum doesn't allow this list to be properly formatted.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2011 7:17:57 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 1, 2011 7:19:02 AM PDT
I have one of those video comps! Bought it on eBay several years back before they cracked down on bootleggers. I find it a terrible shame that so much of her performances are not available as official releases. Particularly the Hammersmith Odeon concert...such a brilliant performance and one of my all-time fave concert videos, yet it's STILL only been released as a VHS!

Posted on Oct 1, 2011 8:36:59 AM PDT
James Warner says:
Nothing against Tory Amos, but Kate wins hands down. If you want a better challenger (though still not quite up to Kate's standards) try Happy Rhodes. Some of her higher range vocals sound scarily like Kate while her lower range is akin to Rosie Vela or Karen Carpenter.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2011 10:49:54 AM PDT
Gena Chereck says:
Yay! Kind of odd that it would be released here on a Monday (Nov. 21), though... :D

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2011 10:52:49 AM PDT
A labor of love there...no question Kate Bush had the artist's sensibilities in both music and her videos.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2011 10:56:11 AM PDT
Gena Chereck says:
I got to stream it online before it came out -- while I wasn't nearly as ecstatic about it as I was about 'Aerial,' I really do like what she did with some of the re-recordings (especially "Rubberband Girl"), and I'm happy for her that she finally got to do what she'd wanted with "The Sensual World" (now "Flower of the Mountain") and "Deeper Understanding." :)

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2011 10:58:07 AM PDT
Gena Chereck says:
I like some of Tori's songs (especially "God"), but Kate is simply one of my favorite artists of all time.
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