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Initial post: Jan 13, 2008 11:10:03 AM PST
John Reitter says:
Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, the new atheists, are brave enough to tell it like it is. Their feerless defence of rational thought and scientific values is the best way to stand up to the radical fundamentalists who are out to destroy freedom and civilization.

Even religious moderates, who undermine the hard truths of a reality based on evidence, are guilty of promoting a tollerance for the dangerous worldview of supernatural rewards and punishments.

John Lennon had it right: to imagine world peacs, imagine no religion.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2008 6:17:31 PM PST
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What is the urgency? A few people can argue that science and its 'rational' thought have brought humanity and civilization to the brink of destruction. The deteriorating environment and weapons of mass destruction are direct results of the supposed enlightened and rational thought process of science. Why are atheist going with the same zeal to proselytize the world as their despised foes do, the fundamentalists? Why not present their supposedly irrefutable evidence and let us make up our minds? Or is it that atheist and fundamentalists agree on the topic that we're too dumb to make up our mind on our own, and they have to make it up for us?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 29, 2008 4:09:04 AM PST
John Reitter says:
Children should not be forcibly indoctrinated with religious doctrines, fear of eternal punishment and a righteous certainty. Nor should science be blamed for those who use its results unwisely. Science is a method, not a product or belief. Knowledge and technology can be used for good or ill, depending on the morality and ethics of the individual and society. On 9-11, religious fanatics subverted technology to serve their mistaken beliefs in eternal happiness in another world. They, like many theists, claim humility but serve a selfish cause: their own eternal bliss. Fundamentalists think eternal bliss is a reasonable hope, at all costs. Once I heard a little girl in church say that she could not wait to die and go to heaven to be with Jesus. Is this a rational thing to teach children who have not even lived yet? It is time for a new enlightenment.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 29, 2008 8:35:47 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 29, 2008 8:55:26 AM PST
I am not talking about a few bad apples (unless you consider Einstein bad apple) doing some bad things with science. I am talking about the industrial revolution itself that is driven by science, which focuses more on industrial output than eco balance. I am talking about the virulent racism, nationalism, and bigotry that has been pushed into societies at the height of the scientific enlightenment. I am talking about the arms race that has brought the world to the gates of destruction.

What new enlightenment are you talking about? If you are calling science 'new', may be you should consult some books of history. Science in its current form has been around for about 500 years now. There is nothing new or enlightening about it. It has become the same dogma sensible humans have abhorred in religion, with its own unquestioning and blind supporters who have become as rabid as the religious zealots. You don't believe me? Please read the objectives of the Rapid Response Squad put together by Richard Dawkins:

Irrationalities we should seek to eradicate from earth:

Theism
Creation Science
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell
Denying the holocaust happened
The claim that science is dogmatic
Belief that America is a Christian Nation
Saying evolution is 'just a theory, not a fact.'
Giving religious beliefs a special pass above criticism
The claim that the bible is a good source of morality
Thinking that logicians use logic to limit peoples thoughts
The claim that mystical experiences can give us knowledge
Religious terrorism/fundamentalism/born again Christianity
Holistic medicine used in place of scientifically verified medicine

As tempting as it is to compare this group and its 'rational' line of thought to past and present authoritarian movements, I will forgo that pleasure. However, notice that most of what they intent to eradicate is thought itself. Welcome to the brave new world!

Also, if you are concerned that children are going to be indoctrinated by religious zealots, keep your children out of religious venues, and if you are the activist type, convince your family, friends and neighbors to do the same. If you think the mere idea of allowing children to think other possibilities is indoctrination, welcome to the brave new world!
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