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Initial post: Nov 24, 2012 4:15:39 PM PST
Taba says:
Coming cyber monday--whether there's better deals or not--I'm getting one of these two cameras. I know in general the lenses make more of a difference than the camera, but I'm on a tight budget (that even these camera are pushing) and I'm gonna have to go with one or two of the cheapest--though higher rated--VR/IS lenses...for now.

It's going to be a mobile ALL PURPOSE camera, landscapes, macro, (non-studio)portraits, wildlife, video, low-light, natural-bright light, and to a lesser extent sports.. of course I'll eventually have to get lenses to match, but in the end I only want to stick with two MAYBE three lenses at most, as it's going to be my carry-around-with-me-everywhere camera.

I'm good with Lightroom/cameraRAW and a bit of Photoshop, as I've had to use them extensively for my current OLD 5MP point and click (with aperture/shutter priorities, okay AF, really annoying electronic MF, and terrible ISO settings,) so this will be a HUGE improvement, but of course I'd like to rely on as little computer time as possible. I will probably be selling some of my photos as in the past (even with my crappy camera) I've done so.

As a bag I'm thinking of this Case Logic SLRC-205 SLR Camera Sling (Black) so I can really just go anywhere and get at my camera in an instant. Any better ideas/thumbs ups/thumbs downs?

So really I want the perfect (and affordable) camera for an amateur entrepreneur traveler. Now if only I could jump off waterfalls with this as I do with my Fujifilm FinePix XP10 12 MP Waterproof Digital Camera with 5x Optical Zoom and 2.7-Inch LCD (Black).

Sidenote: in the end I may have to get a Nikon D5100 as I really am on a TIGHT budget. Any thoughts on this? I can always sell it later when I can afford something better.

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Posted on Nov 25, 2012 1:32:54 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 2:44:44 AM PST
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Neo Lee says:
For someone with a tight budget, Canon T3i kit for $579 should be a more realistic choice, and 60D isn't incredibly better than T3i. The $579 price is the one sold directly by Amazon (see the "More Buying Choices" box on the right). Their shipping time right now is 2 weeks.

"It's going to be a mobile ALL PURPOSE camera, landscapes, macro, (non-studio)portraits, wildlife, video, low-light, natural-bright light, and to a lesser extent sports.. of course I'll eventually have to get lenses to match, but in the end I only want to stick with two MAYBE three lenses at most, as it's going to be my carry-around-with-me-everywhere camera."

That's a couple lenses alright, and it's going to cost you a lot more than the body.

Dual-purpose macro/portrait lens, decent in low light: Sigma 50mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro Lens for Canon SLR Cameras
Zoom general purpose lens but not macro: Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM Lens for Canon DSLR Cameras
Landscape: Sigma 8-16mm f/4.5-5.6 DC HSM FLD AF Ultra Wide Zoom Lens for APS-C sized Canon Digital DSLR Camera

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 4:19:18 AM PST
Taba says:
It's true that the t3i could be a good choice, but I really don't like how limited it is with control, from what I've seen and heard (and from reading the dpreview) it's pretty close to being a point and shoot with dslr quality.. I'm absolutely certain I would feel underwhelmed in a mater of minutes. I crave more control in my shots. Thanks though, for another person this might be a great option.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 6:45:41 AM PST
Neo Lee says:
60D and T3i controls are functionally similar. 60D has that control dial around the SET button; it's a little more convenient than the up/down/left/right arrows.

T3i: http://goo.gl/1frKp
60D: http://goo.gl/6Sy0R

If you want a lot more controls, check out the 7D: http://goo.gl/UY7Gd

Posted on Nov 25, 2012 9:24:55 AM PST
Gatorowl says:
Taba, I think the D5100 is a good choice. I've seen refurbs from Adorama for as low as $375 for body only and $430 with kit lens. The d7000 refurb is hovering in the upper $700, so you're talking about twice as expensive.

I'm a big fan of the D5100, but the controls are limited relative to the D7000/60D you prefer. I have assigned ISO control to the single function button, and this has been acceptable for me. The T3i ergonomically is superior to the D5100 offering and approaches the more expensive cameras for usability. However, the sensor is dated relative to the Sony-based sensor Nikon offers. This will be most noticeable in the dynamic range and high ISO shooting. For jpg shooters, there really isn't much difference. However, for RAW shooting and someone trying to squeeze the absolute best IQ from each shot, it's hard to recommend a camera with Canon's dated sensor over a camera with a Sony-based 16MP sensor.

So for me, Canon Rebel cameras make shooting easier. However, the IQ advantage goes to Nikon.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 9:47:10 AM PST
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NW MN Dad says:
Stick with the Nikon D7000. I've shot with everything from a Rebel XSi, Canon T2i and 7D and find Nikon just "fits" your hand better in terms of controls/dials. The controls on the D7000 are so much more ergonomically located than Canon that it makes it a joy to use. The image quality is pretty much the same to the naked eye between brands, but you'll be more pleased with the ease of use of the D7000. If you get the D5100 you'll be kicking yourself that you didn't just bite the bullet and go for the 7000. The 7000 also has fantastic low-light performance, particularly when paired with a fairly inexpensive 50mm f/1.8 or 35mm f/1.8. The noise profile is decent all the way up to 6400 ISO with minor adjustment in Lightroom/Photoshop. Note it also has some cool features others in the same class don't, i.e. a built in intervalometer (for taking time-lapse pictures), mirror-up and exposure delay modes (for reduction of camera shake), and 6 FPS along with decent in-camera RAW processing. By the way, note the price on the D7000 has come down considerably in just the last six months. I bought mine in May from Amazon for about $1,300 (body only), and I see it's now going for several hundred less, so quite a steal in my book. Note this is because Nikon is likely to release a successor to the D7000 soon (the D7000 was more or less a replacement for the D90 but actually bested the camera above the D90 (D300S?) in several areas). I'm guessing if you waited til Christmas it might be even less $$.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 25, 2012 10:00:32 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 25, 2012 10:03:13 AM PST
® says:
Hopefully there are more sale on Cyber Monday. The Nikon D7000 with 18-105 was 999 and the D5100 was under 600. Now they went up on amazon, usually they will go back down. (D5100 isn't amazon stock as I guess they are out) I believe the d7000 would be a perfect fit still. As you see from my other post, the 85mm 1.4 is my favorite lens. The 35mm 1.8 is my in the camera. Tamron AF 28-75mm f/2.8 SP XR Di LD Aspherical (IF) with Built-In AF Motor for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras could be a good walk around lens. I own 2 tamron and they their image IQ is fine. I don't like the 18-55 since that is a DX only, I am really to go FX or full frame next year so it is a waste for me, bu tif you stay in dx land that is technically the same equivalent as a 24-70 on a FX. APS-c (crop sensor) or dx, you time it by 1.5x (1.6x for canon as it is a tad smaller sensor). A 35mm f1.8 on a dx is 52.5mm which is in the natural portrait focal range.

I for got to mention much about movie mode in the other thread.
Sensor wise, Canon don't update their sensor much, the 60d, 7d, t2i, t3i, (the t4i added contrast detect on sensor otherwise it is the same too) are all the same, sensor test score remind the same over time. They just change some spec, so people buy the same IQ over and over. So t3i, 60d won't AF in movie mode like in a camcorder, you do it manually. The D600 and Nikon 1 for awhile has contrast detect on sensor too. Probably why Nikon has AF in movies mode for awhile. I have AF in movie mode on the d7000. Sony alpha camera are definitely more hyper active on the AF. Camera built in mic are bad they pick uup lens and work background hisses. i usually plus in a mic and that sove it. Opteka VM-100 Video Condenser Shotgun Microphone with Shock Mount and Fuzzy Windscreen for Digital SLR Cameras and Camcorders is a knock-off of the rodeo mic, looks exactly the same. I am picking this up soon myself, even though I hardly do video.

Posted on Nov 25, 2012 10:11:46 AM PST
E. Bears says:
There is some great advice on the Ken Rockwell website at:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm#serious

I did a lot of research and finally bought a D5100 a while back after his write up tipped me over the edge. I have owned, and still do, Canon and Nikon cameras and I have absolutely no regrets going with the D5100 even though they are much cheaper now.

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 4:49:37 AM PST
Taba says:
So Cyber Monday is tomorrow and for some reason I feel like there's not gonna be any improved deals on the D7000 or 60D; still I'll wait till the day to purchase.

kenrockwell.com seems like a pretty amazing place for professional, but opinionated, advice...which is rather refreshing. After combining that site with dpreview.com, you guys, and my own judgment, I've finally narrowed it down to the camera I want: the Nikon D7000... blame Rockwell in the end I guess, that D7000 review was full of gush.

The only thing now is deciding if I really can afford it. And by "afford it" I don't mean "Oh... can I go without some niceties for a while?" more to the tune of "Will I have a place to live and not starve if I buy this thing?"
If there is no better deals than the current Nikon D7000 body for ~$900 new (~$800 used,) then I'll go with a used D5100 and another lens besides the kit (if I get the kit) and just sell the body in a couple months. works for me.

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 8:38:57 PM PST
E. Wright says:
If it's a question of starving or not, I would say skip the purchase or go cheaper with the body. FWIW, I'm a Canon guy and picked up a refurbed 60D body-only from the Canon store this past weekend for $600. (Price increased today.)

Posted on Nov 26, 2012 8:55:29 PM PST
Neo Lee says:
A refurbed 7D body was 950 dollars yesterday or so. Check out the Canon Direct Store for refurbs some time this week. They have pretty good deals.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 26, 2012 10:34:31 PM PST
® says:
the d5100 is dirt cheap at new $550 base price. The D7000 price drop to 900 is the first time ever so don't expect it to drop anymore this year unless you buy used, refurbish or ebay. I can probably get the same picture on a d5100 as the d7000. Maybe for sport i get more missed on the d5100. The baby nikon body maybe maybe take more menu diving then the d7000, but yuo would get use to it. They do have the same sensor so IQ should be the same.

Posted on Nov 27, 2012 1:43:54 PM PST
Gatorowl says:
Wow!

It looks like those prices I quoted didn't last long. Adorama is out of the D5100 refurbs, and the D7000 refurb is slightly higher at $795. These cameras have been refurbed by Nikon and come with a 90-day warranty. You have to decide whether the one-year warranty that accompanies a new camera is worth $100 to you.
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